Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3

[Weary of internet morons]

johnfm said:

Weary of internet morons said:

Climate change must be real, I'm just watching Obama describe how he knows and how he's seen it with his own eyes.

Well in that case, fair enough. Where do I send my money?? We must stop this catastrophe.

O.B.AMA. Bank - Chicago, USA.

[chris watton]

From everything I have read (pre GW infested bks, of course), I thought the Earth was still in an Ice Age, or coming out of one, which is why we still have icecaps at the poles and Greenland is still covered.

Another reason the Earth waxes and wanes with ice is the 'Milankovitch cycles', the way the Earth orbits the Sun, and the tilt changes slightly every 10,000 years.

I also know it has been both much hotter and much coder in the past, only when it gets cold does life suffer (unless there's massive volcanic activity, like the Decan Traps, when India moved across a dodgy bit of mantle..)

I would have thought that if it got a little hotter, Greenland would be free of ice, meaning it could be populated, the Arctic and Antarctic, too. But let's face it, that's not gonna happen anytime soon, and this whole scam is about both control and money/greed. It makes me sick.

I have to wonder what giving all of our money to the likes of John Gummer Tim yeo is likely to achieve, if only to make the rich liars richer, and the rest of us gullible fools poorer!

Edited by chris watton on Monday 30th November 12:35

[turbobloke]

superlightr said:

I would wager that if the governments introduce new taxes/laws etc they will in a few years time fek around with the data to make it show what they want it to show - that they had somehow made a difference.

There has to be a suspicion that this is being portrayed as the last chance saloon after the previous, prior and earlier last chance saloons, not forgetting the one before that, for a couple of reasons, one being that the public is getting ever wider awake to the scam-hoax and polls are showing it solidly last in the priorities of people in the real world.

Also that enough of the believers know - but won't admit, hide the decline etc - that when the series of data fudges are removed from corrupted temperature data, the planet is currently cooling. Much more cooling and the myth-hoax will be obvious to nearly everyone. Therefore the political, redistribution of wealth deals must be struck asafp, using the willing victim approach given that enforcement on an unwilling nation would fail.

There's one problem, carbon dioxide emissions won't be falling anytime soon. It's unlikely that the atmospheric level will fall soon either, certainly over a period of time to preclude the usuall claptrap...emissions rising, levels falling, wow it's not humans determining the level etc.

So unless there's a large and sustained drop in carbon dioxide levels, which would be infinitely trickier to fudge than temperatures, the politicos and hangers on are still in a bit of a pickle, though given the ludicrous nonsense that's peddled even at this stage, they would try to bluff it out by dry-cleaning their Emperors' clothes and spinning worse than previously thought (possible).

[rovermorris999]

Meanwhile, if we go green the lights may go out...
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics...

[mybrainhurts]

johnfm said:

Weary of internet morons said:

Climate change must be real, I'm just watching Obama describe how he knows and how he's seen it with his own eyes.

Well in that case, fair enough. Where do I send my money?? We must stop this catastrophe.

His big buddy and mentor Al Gore will hold it for him.

Send via Paypal [e-mail]

[Scuffers]

rovermorris999 said:

Meanwhile, if we go green the lights may go out...
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics...

with respect, they are already likely to go out without any electric cars.

it's going to be pretty close this winter already, because we have shut too many base-load coal stations.

[rovermorris999]

Scuffers said:

with respect, they are already likely to go out without any electric cars.

it's going to be pretty close this winter already, because we have shut too many base-load coal stations.

Indeed but at least they are now talking about it.

[Weary of internet morons]

turbobloke said:

superlightr said:

I would wager that if the governments introduce new taxes/laws etc they will in a few years time fek around with the data to make it show what they want it to show - that they had somehow made a difference.

There has to be a suspicion that this is being portrayed as the last chance saloon after the previous, prior and earlier last chance saloons, not forgetting the one before that, for a couple of reasons, one being that the public is getting ever wider awake to the scam-hoax and polls are showing it solidly last in the priorities of people in the real world.

Also that enough of the believers know - but won't admit, hide the decline etc - that when the series of data fudges are removed from corrupted temperature data, the planet is currently cooling. Much more cooling and the myth-hoax will be obvious to nearly everyone. Therefore the political, redistribution of wealth deals must be struck asafp, using the willing victim approach given that enforcement on an unwilling nation would fail.

There's one problem, carbon dioxide emissions won't be falling anytime soon. It's unlikely that the atmospheric level will fall soon either, certainly over a period of time to preclude the usuall claptrap...emissions rising, levels falling, wow it's not humans determining the level etc.

So unless there's a large and sustained drop in carbon dioxide levels, which would be infinitely trickier to fudge than temperatures, the politicos and hangers on are still in a bit of a pickle, though given the ludicrous nonsense that's peddled even at this stage, they would try to bluff it out by dry-cleaning their Emperors' clothes and spinning worse than previously thought (possible).

No, no! It is real and of Biblical apocalypse level. Chas has just intoned in sombre and weighty fashion that we are all doomed. The human race can not survive the scorching earth and rising sea levels. It is THAT bad.

I wonder if he does sleep at nights, or lays there clutching his comfort dolly (plush toy version of Jonathon Porritt I hear) worrying about this imminent end of humanity?

[robinessex]

Just watched the 1pm Beeb news. Its sickening. They have a duty to report, that's fine. But they also have a duty to ask 'is this all correct'? Which they don't appear so far to have any intention of doing.

[LongQ]

turbobloke said:

So unless there's a large and sustained drop in carbon dioxide levels, which would be infinitely trickier to fudge than temperatures, the politicos and hangers on are still in a bit of a pickle, though given the ludicrous nonsense that's peddled even at this stage, they would try to bluff it out by dry-cleaning their Emperors' clothes and spinning worse than previously thought (possible).

But there is only one official reference source is there not?

How difficult would it really be to fudge the figures?

They will have no qualms about extending the vanity projects until they would consider their public lives to be complete. Say 20 to 30 years. Just in time for the "Grandchildren" to recognise what has been done in their name.

I think all of the agreements and statements should be clearly recorded, fully attributed for the benefit of the next several generations.

Of course I am assuming that the barbarians waiting at the gates will not have a penchant for destroying everything they can get their hands on - both the records and the grandchildren.

If one decarbonizes the world as quickly as the idiots claim it needs to be done for their purposes it would probably be a good idea to depopulate those locations that rely almost entirely on oil, gas and coal for their income from the rest of the world. Whether offering the populace alternative places to live will work is an interesting question. Leaving the locals to survive as best they can might not be a great idea. They would have enough warning of impending poverty to become stroppy and enough cash flow to convert that ire into serious conflict should they so choose. It would be very surprising if they did not choose to pursue such a course, given the weakness of those who would perhaps feel a need to oppose them.

[mybrainhurts]

Weary of internet morons said:

No, no! It is real and of Biblical apocalypse level. Chas has just intoned in sombre and weighty fashion that we are all doomed. The human race can not survive the scorching earth and rising sea levels. It is THAT bad.

I wonder if he does sleep at nights, or lays there clutching his comfort dolly (plush toy version of Jonathon Porritt I hear) worrying about this imminent end of humanity?

....beaut

[durbster]

This is very amusing. Watching you lot get rabid about the Paris summit is far more entertaining than the coverage itself.

[mybrainhurts]

durbster said:

This is very amusing. Watching you lot get rabid about the Paris summit is far more entertaining than the coverage itself.

You've not quite got the hang of this. Try a Whoosh pill...

[turbobloke]

durbster said:

This is very amusing. Watching you lot get rabid about the Paris summit is far more entertaining than the coverage itself.

The Paris summit is being riduculed because it's ridiculous. HTH.

After waiting a year to have a good laugh at some of the most foolish people on the planet, the laugh-in is going ahead

Paris COP 21 hot air

[robinessex]

We're not getting rabid, just laughing out loud at so many stupidly gullible people who ACTUALLY believe all this bks. What is shocking, is that most of them are in charge of the world. Some even control nuclear weapons !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[don4l]

durbster said:

This is very amusing. Watching you lot get rabid about the Paris summit is far more entertaining than the coverage itself.

Amusing?

Don't you know that this summit is our last chance to save the planet?

In 2009 we only had fifty days, now we only have 10.

[jurbie]

durbster said:

This is very amusing. Watching you lot get rabid about the Paris summit is far more entertaining than the coverage itself.

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Can I ask what you hope Paris will achieve? How do you think it will affect you personally?

Any other warmists floating about please feel free to join in on this.

[LongQ]

durbster said:

This is very amusing. Watching you lot get rabid about the Paris summit is far more entertaining than the coverage itself.

It's certainly educating to see "World Leaders" exhibiting group think and and being sucked onto Crowd mentality in the full flood of the media spotlight.

Any bets on who will emerge as the group's Robespierre?

[Weary of internet morons]

mybrainhurts said:

Weary of internet morons said:

No, no! It is real and of Biblical apocalypse level. Chas has just intoned in sombre and weighty fashion that we are all doomed. The human race can not survive the scorching earth and rising sea levels. It is THAT bad.

I wonder if he does sleep at nights, or lays there clutching his comfort dolly (plush toy version of Jonathon Porritt I hear) worrying about this imminent end of humanity?

....beaut

did you hear him, and the tone he used? Even slower than normal (what, 20 words a minute on average?) and with such a out-of-his-time old country Rector delivery.

What a self-important and useless, meddling, retard.

Edited by Weary of internet morons on Monday 30th November 15:17

[Weary of internet morons]

Just catching up on The Daily Politics who are now stirring the pot further - Labour MP says we need to reduce our reliance on cars, amongst other things. And praised Miliband and slated Patterson during her scripted screed. So, if we all stop driving here in the UK now, what difference would it make to, well, anything at all? Lost count of the number of times I've heard the word 'polluters' used now.