Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3
Discussion
Polar Ice Caps More Stable Than Previously Thought And Predicted According To Observations
The North and South Poles are “not melting”, according to a leading global warming expert. In fact, the poles are “much more stable” than climate scientists once predicted and could even be much thicker than previously thought. For years, scientists have suggested that both poles are melting at an alarming rate because of warming temperatures – dangerously raising the Earth’s sea levels while threatening the homes of Arctic and Antarctic animals. But the uncertainty surrounding climate change and the polar ice caps reached a new level this month when research suggested the ice in the Antarctic is actually growing. Dr Benny Peiser, from the Global Warming Policy Forum (GWPF), said this latest research adds further proof to the unpredictability of the supposed effects of global warming. He said: “The Antarctic is actually growing and all the evidence in the last few months suggests many assumptions about the poles were wrong. Global sea ice is at a record high, another key indicator that something is working in the opposite direction of what was predicted. Most people think the poles are melting… they’re not. This is a huge inconvenience that reality is now catching up with climate alarmists, who were predicting that the poles would be melting fairly soon.”
Levi Winchester, Daily Express, 25 December 2015
It's Not Over Until The Science Man Singers
There has been essentially no global warming since 1998. Some would choose 1997, others would more conservatively use 2002 as the proper starting date, based on satellite data. Of course, this is quite unexpected, since CO2 — a leading GHG, which climate models presume to cause anthropogenic global warming (AGW) — has been increasing rapidly in the 21st century. Even if we cannot readily find the cause for the “pause” — as it is sometimes called — we can be absolutely sure that it was not predicted by any of the dozens of the UN-IPCC’s General Circulation Models (GCMs). Therefore, logically, such non-validated GCMs cannot, and should not, be used to predict the future climate — or as a basis for policy decisions.
Prof S. Fred Singer, American Thinker, 29 December 2014
Can't See The Warming For The Trees
Tropical forests are growing faster than scientists thought due to rising levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. A Nasa-led study has found that tropical forests are absorbing 1.5 billion tons of carbon dioxide every year as they photosynthesise and grow. And this is far more than is absorbed by the vast areas of boreal forest that encircle the Arctic.
Richard Gray, Daily Mail, 31 December 2014
Nice Ice Baby
Global sea ice extent finished the year at 1.69 million sq km above the 1981-2010 average. This equates to 8.2% above normal. During 2014, sea ice extent has been above normal for 245 days, at an average of 295,000 sq km. Antarctic ice continues to blow away all records, beating the previous end of December level set in 2007 by 233,000 sq km.
Paul Homewood, Not A Lot Of People Know That, 01 January 2015
Sir David Cruises De Nile
Sir David Attenborough is calling on global leaders to step-up their actions to curb climate change, saying that they are in denial about the dangers it poses despite the overwhelming evidence about its risks. The TV naturalist said those who wield power need to use it: “Wherever you look there are huge risks. The awful thing is that people in authority and power deny that, when the evidence is overwhelming and they deny it because it’s easier to deny it – much easier to deny it’s a problem and say ‘we don’t care’,” Sir David said.
Tom Bawden, The Independent, 01 January 2015
The North and South Poles are “not melting”, according to a leading global warming expert. In fact, the poles are “much more stable” than climate scientists once predicted and could even be much thicker than previously thought. For years, scientists have suggested that both poles are melting at an alarming rate because of warming temperatures – dangerously raising the Earth’s sea levels while threatening the homes of Arctic and Antarctic animals. But the uncertainty surrounding climate change and the polar ice caps reached a new level this month when research suggested the ice in the Antarctic is actually growing. Dr Benny Peiser, from the Global Warming Policy Forum (GWPF), said this latest research adds further proof to the unpredictability of the supposed effects of global warming. He said: “The Antarctic is actually growing and all the evidence in the last few months suggests many assumptions about the poles were wrong. Global sea ice is at a record high, another key indicator that something is working in the opposite direction of what was predicted. Most people think the poles are melting… they’re not. This is a huge inconvenience that reality is now catching up with climate alarmists, who were predicting that the poles would be melting fairly soon.”
Levi Winchester, Daily Express, 25 December 2015
It's Not Over Until The Science Man Singers
There has been essentially no global warming since 1998. Some would choose 1997, others would more conservatively use 2002 as the proper starting date, based on satellite data. Of course, this is quite unexpected, since CO2 — a leading GHG, which climate models presume to cause anthropogenic global warming (AGW) — has been increasing rapidly in the 21st century. Even if we cannot readily find the cause for the “pause” — as it is sometimes called — we can be absolutely sure that it was not predicted by any of the dozens of the UN-IPCC’s General Circulation Models (GCMs). Therefore, logically, such non-validated GCMs cannot, and should not, be used to predict the future climate — or as a basis for policy decisions.
Prof S. Fred Singer, American Thinker, 29 December 2014
Can't See The Warming For The Trees
Tropical forests are growing faster than scientists thought due to rising levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. A Nasa-led study has found that tropical forests are absorbing 1.5 billion tons of carbon dioxide every year as they photosynthesise and grow. And this is far more than is absorbed by the vast areas of boreal forest that encircle the Arctic.
Richard Gray, Daily Mail, 31 December 2014
Nice Ice Baby
Global sea ice extent finished the year at 1.69 million sq km above the 1981-2010 average. This equates to 8.2% above normal. During 2014, sea ice extent has been above normal for 245 days, at an average of 295,000 sq km. Antarctic ice continues to blow away all records, beating the previous end of December level set in 2007 by 233,000 sq km.
Paul Homewood, Not A Lot Of People Know That, 01 January 2015
Sir David Cruises De Nile
Sir David Attenborough is calling on global leaders to step-up their actions to curb climate change, saying that they are in denial about the dangers it poses despite the overwhelming evidence about its risks. The TV naturalist said those who wield power need to use it: “Wherever you look there are huge risks. The awful thing is that people in authority and power deny that, when the evidence is overwhelming and they deny it because it’s easier to deny it – much easier to deny it’s a problem and say ‘we don’t care’,” Sir David said.
Tom Bawden, The Independent, 01 January 2015
Guam said:
turbobloke said:
Another nail in the coffin, which found no room and had to go through the head of another nail.
You're probably aware that the above 'pHraud' was posted on here a few days ago but, if not, it's not my pint this time
Well actually I wasn't as I missed it during my time off over XMAS ( I wasn't on the forum that much).You're probably aware that the above 'pHraud' was posted on here a few days ago but, if not, it's not my pint this time
Another Beer to you I guess
As others pointed out at the time, and given the weaknesses exposed, the attitude of the people involved which is basically don't criticise our work or examine our motives beggars belief in the wider scientific context but then this is politics!
Guam said:
turbobloke said:
Not me kind sir, I didn't post the first post
As others pointed out at the time, and given the weaknesses exposed, the attitude of the people involved which is basically don't criticise our work or examine our motives beggars belief in the wider scientific context but then this is politics!
I was well chuffed with Briggsy though, the number of times I have banged on about the GAT being an artificial construct and that in essence they were modelling a result based on a modeled factor and whatever the science, that point alone renders the whole argument moot.As others pointed out at the time, and given the weaknesses exposed, the attitude of the people involved which is basically don't criticise our work or examine our motives beggars belief in the wider scientific context but then this is politics!
Nice to see the heavy hitters stepping up and making the same points.
Frequentist or Bayesian makes little difference in that reality
HNY!
hornetrider said:
I see Monobot is advocating that we need to leave all the fossil fuels in the ground to avoid catastrophic warming. What f
king planet do these pricks live on?
He's not a irredeemable loon; he realises nuclear power is essential, which in the kingdom of the blind that is envirolunacy means he's the one-eyed king, or something.king planet do these pricks live on? hidetheelephants said:
He's not a irredeemable loon; he realises nuclear power is essential, which in the kingdom of the blind that is envirolunacy means he's the one-eyed king, or something.
It makes him a traitor in their eyes. They were against nuclear power long before global warming had even been invented.Mother Nature still not playing political football for The Team.
Latest ENSO Advisory just received said:
During December 2014, positive sea surface temperature (SST) anomalies decreased across the central and east-central equatorial Pacific. At the end of the month, the weekly Niño indices ranged from +0.8°C in the Niño-4 region, to +0.5°C in the Niño-3.4 region, to 0.0°C in the Niño-1+2 region. The positive subsurface heat content anomalies (averaged between 180º-100ºW) also decreased during December in response to an upwelling equatorial oceanic Kelvin wave. Although the surface and sub-surface temperature anomalies were consistent with El Niño, the overall atmospheric circulation continued to show only limited coupling with the anomalously warm water. The equatorial low-level winds were largely near average during the month, while upper-level easterly anomalies continued in the central and eastern tropical Pacific. The Southern Oscillation Index (SOI) remained slightly negative, but the Equatorial SOI remained near zero. Also, rainfall remained belowaverage near the Date Line and was above-average over Indonesia. Overall, the combined atmospheric and oceanic state remains ENSO-neutral.
Research Challenges Green Theory Of Easter Island Ecocide
It is perhaps the world’s most famous environmental parable. A settler on Easter Island stood beside the island’s last tree. He or she looked around the treeless horizon, every one of those trees removed by man, and chopped it down anyway. Afterwards, the island died — the nutrients washed away, the landscape stripped. The population collapsed into warfare and cannibalism. It is a compelling tale, but may be completely false, according to research published yesterday. The Easter Island population did collapse, not due to this “ecocide”, but instead something less remarkable: the arrival of Europeans, bringing syphilis, smallpox and slavery.
Tom Whipple, The Times, 07 January 2014
Told You So (2005)
The paper by Dr Benny Peiser tackles head on the evidence Jared Diamond uses to assert that the residents of Easter Island (aka Rapa Nui) committed ecological suicide, or ecocide. According to Peiser, the primary evidence Diamond relies upon are oral traditions from the residents of Rapa Nui and from historical sources, not from the archaeological record. But what is most disturbing is the extent to which Diamond seems determined to avoid looking at the actual genocidal violence of the colonial encounter.
Kerim Friedman, Savage Minds, 11 September 2005
Don't Say 'Told You So' When The Team Already Told You To Believe
Russil Wvong said: “The journal in which Peiser’s paper was published, Energy & Environment, appears to be a forum for global warming denial. In short, it seems that the global-warming-denial folks have decided to launch an attack on Diamond.”
Well, that’s it then. If the people who raise doubts about global warming are also raising doubts about Diamond’s scholarship, we can safely assume that Diamond is correct. No need for evidence at all.
Savage Minds, 14 September 2005
It is perhaps the world’s most famous environmental parable. A settler on Easter Island stood beside the island’s last tree. He or she looked around the treeless horizon, every one of those trees removed by man, and chopped it down anyway. Afterwards, the island died — the nutrients washed away, the landscape stripped. The population collapsed into warfare and cannibalism. It is a compelling tale, but may be completely false, according to research published yesterday. The Easter Island population did collapse, not due to this “ecocide”, but instead something less remarkable: the arrival of Europeans, bringing syphilis, smallpox and slavery.
Tom Whipple, The Times, 07 January 2014
Told You So (2005)
The paper by Dr Benny Peiser tackles head on the evidence Jared Diamond uses to assert that the residents of Easter Island (aka Rapa Nui) committed ecological suicide, or ecocide. According to Peiser, the primary evidence Diamond relies upon are oral traditions from the residents of Rapa Nui and from historical sources, not from the archaeological record. But what is most disturbing is the extent to which Diamond seems determined to avoid looking at the actual genocidal violence of the colonial encounter.
Kerim Friedman, Savage Minds, 11 September 2005
Don't Say 'Told You So' When The Team Already Told You To Believe
Russil Wvong said: “The journal in which Peiser’s paper was published, Energy & Environment, appears to be a forum for global warming denial. In short, it seems that the global-warming-denial folks have decided to launch an attack on Diamond.”
Well, that’s it then. If the people who raise doubts about global warming are also raising doubts about Diamond’s scholarship, we can safely assume that Diamond is correct. No need for evidence at all.
Savage Minds, 14 September 2005
Cameron won't take part in GE debates unless Greens are included...
Concerned PM (save the Planet because it's REALLY important!)
or...
Concerned PM (save my own ass from Farage!)
???
Concerned PM (save the Planet because it's REALLY important!)
or...
Concerned PM (save my own ass from Farage!)
???
nelly1 said:
Cameron won't take part in GE debates unless Greens are included...
Concerned PM (save the Planet because it's REALLY important!)
or...
Concerned PM (save my own ass from Farage!)
???
Either way...deluded pussy. He's meant to be the leader, if it's not right it's his fault. Conservatives really need a new leader asafp but pre-election it'll never happen.Concerned PM (save the Planet because it's REALLY important!)
or...
Concerned PM (save my own ass from Farage!)
???
turbobloke said:
nelly1 said:
Cameron won't take part in GE debates unless Greens are included...
Concerned PM (save the Planet because it's REALLY important!)
or...
Concerned PM (save my own ass from Farage!)
???
Either way...deluded pussy. Conservatives really need a new leader asafp but pre-election it'll never happen.Concerned PM (save the Planet because it's REALLY important!)
or...
Concerned PM (save my own ass from Farage!)
???
Einion Yrth said:
turbobloke said:
nelly1 said:
Cameron won't take part in GE debates unless Greens are included...
Concerned PM (save the Planet because it's REALLY important!)
or...
Concerned PM (save my own ass from Farage!)
???
Either way...deluded pussy. Conservatives really need a new leader asafp but pre-election it'll never happen.Concerned PM (save the Planet because it's REALLY important!)
or...
Concerned PM (save my own ass from Farage!)
???
That apart, why is CMD setting preconditions rather than relishing the prospect of ripping Microgland a new one...Clegg has already disappeared up his own, and his poll ratings are in the same place (excellent!).
Einion Yrth said:
turbobloke said:
nelly1 said:
Cameron won't take part in GE debates unless Greens are included...
Concerned PM (save the Planet because it's REALLY important!)
or...
Concerned PM (save my own ass from Farage!)
???
Either way...deluded pussy. Conservatives really need a new leader asafp but pre-election it'll never happen.Concerned PM (save the Planet because it's REALLY important!)
or...
Concerned PM (save my own ass from Farage!)
???
hidetheelephants said:
Einion Yrth said:
turbobloke said:
nelly1 said:
Cameron won't take part in GE debates unless Greens are included...
Concerned PM (save the Planet because it's REALLY important!)
or...
Concerned PM (save my own ass from Farage!)
???
Either way...deluded pussy. Conservatives really need a new leader asafp but pre-election it'll never happen.Concerned PM (save the Planet because it's REALLY important!)
or...
Concerned PM (save my own ass from Farage!)
???
^^^hidetheelephants said:
Einion Yrth said:
turbobloke said:
nelly1 said:
Cameron won't take part in GE debates unless Greens are included...
Concerned PM (save the Planet because it's REALLY important!)
or...
Concerned PM (save my own ass from Farage!)
???
Either way...deluded pussy. Conservatives really need a new leader asafp but pre-election it'll never happen.Concerned PM (save the Planet because it's REALLY important!)
or...
Concerned PM (save my own ass from Farage!)
???
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