Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3
Discussion
Global warming is causing boredom and depression in our dogs.
Yes, you read that correctly.
It's even worse if you are a horse!
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/02/05/global-warmi...
Yes, you read that correctly.
It's even worse if you are a horse!
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/02/05/global-warmi...
wc98 said:
LongQ said:
When you come back at some point do you think you could park your claim somewhere in the Science thread?
Also maybe explain how your hearing turns the sound "gullible" into "oranges" - it may explain a lot.
And also, perhaps, offer some suggestions about why "Scientists" spent so much money and put so much faith into the concept of satellites only to appear to have started to back away from them (not a new move in their repertoire) when they appear not to give the numbers they want.
Has this Mears bloke been conning people about the value of his work for a couple of decades in order to do nothing more than further his personal position with public money? Surely not!
Oh well, at least that part of your post is somewhat valid for the Political thread. It is familiar territory.
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it is funny how the warmist crowd complain about cherry picking when they are happy to dismiss satellite measurements of atmospheric temperatures ,yet happy to accept satellite measurements of global sea ice as it shows what they want to see. i wonder how long it will take to dismiss the information from satellites regarding sea ice if they start to show a significant upward trend.Also maybe explain how your hearing turns the sound "gullible" into "oranges" - it may explain a lot.
And also, perhaps, offer some suggestions about why "Scientists" spent so much money and put so much faith into the concept of satellites only to appear to have started to back away from them (not a new move in their repertoire) when they appear not to give the numbers they want.
Has this Mears bloke been conning people about the value of his work for a couple of decades in order to do nothing more than further his personal position with public money? Surely not!
Oh well, at least that part of your post is somewhat valid for the Political thread. It is familiar territory.
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https://science.house.gov/sites/republicans.scienc...
It reads like Science logic - no religion called in evidence. (I mention this here only as a followup to the attempted character assassination a few posts back. And, most likely, another attempt at the same should anyone with similar leanings towards Gaia as their God choose to respond to this post.)
mko9 said:
LongQ said:
And now ..... The wrong kind of trees ....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-3549...
It seems there might be some wonderful precision in the maths.
ETA: Ostensibly this should be in the Science thread but really and truly I could not bring myself to put it there.
Cut them all down and start over from scratch!!http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-3549...
It seems there might be some wonderful precision in the maths.
ETA: Ostensibly this should be in the Science thread but really and truly I could not bring myself to put it there.
Edited by LongQ on Friday 5th February 22:15
In the Eye there's a story about the EU's plot, largely under the radar, to create a "European Energy Union" in a similar way to controls over agriculture under the common agricultural policy.
At a time when CMD is supposedly negotiating to repatriate powers, power itself, being largely a national prerogative at the moment, isn't on the table. CMD should be looking also at stopping further loss of power (pun intended) in terms of what's under the table.
The EU Energy Union is part of ever closer union but somehow it's bound to be a special case 'because of carbons'. Eurodrones appear to be railroading the Energu Union through as per documents published in late 2015.
Apparently "EU level coordination of [energy] policies is necessary..." via a Common External Energy Policy - this 'necessity' is one of the finest examples of reasoning by assertion to emanate from these particular drones. Resistance is futile...so we need to get out of the EU asap, but that's another thread.
Also "...the European Commission will carry out a fitness check of the energy acquis" where "acquis" refers to the power - not the rate of energy transfer type of power - the EU acquires from national governments. CMD will have spotted this for sure so we have nothing to fear if the vote goes the wrong way and we stay In because it will either be inapplicable to the UK as part of the Never Closer Union new deal or instantly red-carded. CMD will save us.
At a time when CMD is supposedly negotiating to repatriate powers, power itself, being largely a national prerogative at the moment, isn't on the table. CMD should be looking also at stopping further loss of power (pun intended) in terms of what's under the table.
The EU Energy Union is part of ever closer union but somehow it's bound to be a special case 'because of carbons'. Eurodrones appear to be railroading the Energu Union through as per documents published in late 2015.
Apparently "EU level coordination of [energy] policies is necessary..." via a Common External Energy Policy - this 'necessity' is one of the finest examples of reasoning by assertion to emanate from these particular drones. Resistance is futile...so we need to get out of the EU asap, but that's another thread.
Also "...the European Commission will carry out a fitness check of the energy acquis" where "acquis" refers to the power - not the rate of energy transfer type of power - the EU acquires from national governments. CMD will have spotted this for sure so we have nothing to fear if the vote goes the wrong way and we stay In because it will either be inapplicable to the UK as part of the Never Closer Union new deal or instantly red-carded. CMD will save us.
turbobloke said:
In the Eye there's a story about the EU's plot, largely under the radar, to create a "European Energy Union" in a similar way to controls over agriculture under the common agricultural policy.
At a time when CMD is supposedly negotiating to repatriate powers, power itself, being largely a national prerogative at the moment, isn't on the table. CMD should be looking also at stopping further loss of power (pun intended) in terms of what's under the table.
The EU Energy Union is part of ever closer union but somehow it's bound to be a special case 'because of carbons'. Eurodrones appear to be railroading the Energu Union through as per documents published in late 2015.
Apparently "EU level coordination of [energy] policies is necessary..." via a Common External Energy Policy - this 'necessity' is one of the finest examples of reasoning by assertion to emanate from these particular drones. Resistance is futile...so we need to get out of the EU asap, but that's another thread.
Also "...the European Commission will carry out a fitness check of the energy acquis" where "acquis" refers to the power - not the rate of energy transfer type of power - the EU acquires from national governments. CMD will have spotted this for sure so we have nothing to fear if the vote goes the wrong way and we stay In because it will either be inapplicable to the UK as part of the Never Closer Union new deal or instantly red-carded. CMD will save us.
CMD will be off and away and still following the Bliar model of self interest.At a time when CMD is supposedly negotiating to repatriate powers, power itself, being largely a national prerogative at the moment, isn't on the table. CMD should be looking also at stopping further loss of power (pun intended) in terms of what's under the table.
The EU Energy Union is part of ever closer union but somehow it's bound to be a special case 'because of carbons'. Eurodrones appear to be railroading the Energu Union through as per documents published in late 2015.
Apparently "EU level coordination of [energy] policies is necessary..." via a Common External Energy Policy - this 'necessity' is one of the finest examples of reasoning by assertion to emanate from these particular drones. Resistance is futile...so we need to get out of the EU asap, but that's another thread.
Also "...the European Commission will carry out a fitness check of the energy acquis" where "acquis" refers to the power - not the rate of energy transfer type of power - the EU acquires from national governments. CMD will have spotted this for sure so we have nothing to fear if the vote goes the wrong way and we stay In because it will either be inapplicable to the UK as part of the Never Closer Union new deal or instantly red-carded. CMD will save us.
Osborne will do a Miliband and make the Preservatives unelectable. If he has survived we may get Corbyn as PM offering the least worst alternative. Mind you, by the time the next election comes around the entire balance of national politics may have changed. The SNP may end up with overall control.
The ever closer Energy Union is based on the assumption that they can make large scale long distance interconnects work.
That would then give them an opportunity to try to justify wind and solar development on the basis that the wind will be blowing and the day time generation from Solar will be possible at least somewhere in the Union area (or maybe North Africa) all of the time - which is clearly isn't on a more local basis. Presumably it would also enhance the options for viable balancing and back up resources using any "storage" technologies, like hydro, that might have wide availability in a few places and none in others.
Once the entire energy strategy is inextractably binding Europe together (and holding it to ransom no doubt) it will be very difficult to go back to self determination.
So, no change there then. Right now we are dependent on Chinese and French advanced funding and handing out OTT payments for decades thereafter if we are to build another Nuclear power station. With no coal production and precious little gas production the country is, for the first time in history, totally dependent on imported materials for reliable electricity generation. Absent control over energy the politicians have now real control over anything else should push come to shove.
Well, they have their pension pots ... although I suppose once everything goes titsup they may not be worth the House of Commons letterheaded paper they are written on.
powerstroke said:
turbobloke said:
Imogen is on the way. Naming rain and wind was already a farce now it's getting tedious.
Oh you don't understand its the new way we never its at a tipping point etc !!!!!Why should showers and blusters not have their own 15 minutes of "fame"?
No one will remember which was which name or may have caused what damage a few months from now (or even now, frankly). But it will likely leave an impression of "calamitous change".
That said I have a suspicion that it might become a huge incentive for people to turn off the hype reception and simply recognise that we live in a part of the planet that does have a tendency towards wide ranging but not terribly extreme weather on a day by day basis. Such a recognition might be a good thing.
turbobloke said:
In the Eye there's a story about the EU's plot, largely under the radar, to create a "European Energy Union" in a similar way to controls over agriculture under the common agricultural policy.
At a time when CMD is supposedly negotiating to repatriate powers, power itself, being largely a national prerogative at the moment, isn't on the table. CMD should be looking also at stopping further loss of power (pun intended) in terms of what's under the table.
The EU Energy Union is part of ever closer union but somehow it's bound to be a special case 'because of carbons'. Eurodrones appear to be railroading the Energu Union through as per documents published in late 2015.
Apparently "EU level coordination of [energy] policies is necessary..." via a Common External Energy Policy - this 'necessity' is one of the finest examples of reasoning by assertion to emanate from these particular drones. Resistance is futile...so we need to get out of the EU asap, but that's another thread.
Also "...the European Commission will carry out a fitness check of the energy acquis" where "acquis" refers to the power - not the rate of energy transfer type of power - the EU acquires from national governments. CMD will have spotted this for sure so we have nothing to fear if the vote goes the wrong way and we stay In because it will either be inapplicable to the UK as part of the Never Closer Union new deal or instantly red-carded. CMD will save us.
could be good. cover the entire area of southern europe in solar panels and transport the energy all over the rest europe by cable. should be enough to keep a toaster and kettle going in every household . we won't be needing any energy for things like manufacturing or powering computers in the service sector if the eu goons get their way anyway.At a time when CMD is supposedly negotiating to repatriate powers, power itself, being largely a national prerogative at the moment, isn't on the table. CMD should be looking also at stopping further loss of power (pun intended) in terms of what's under the table.
The EU Energy Union is part of ever closer union but somehow it's bound to be a special case 'because of carbons'. Eurodrones appear to be railroading the Energu Union through as per documents published in late 2015.
Apparently "EU level coordination of [energy] policies is necessary..." via a Common External Energy Policy - this 'necessity' is one of the finest examples of reasoning by assertion to emanate from these particular drones. Resistance is futile...so we need to get out of the EU asap, but that's another thread.
Also "...the European Commission will carry out a fitness check of the energy acquis" where "acquis" refers to the power - not the rate of energy transfer type of power - the EU acquires from national governments. CMD will have spotted this for sure so we have nothing to fear if the vote goes the wrong way and we stay In because it will either be inapplicable to the UK as part of the Never Closer Union new deal or instantly red-carded. CMD will save us.
Andy Zarse said:
turbobloke said:
Imogen is on the way. Naming rain and wind was already a farce now it's getting tedious.
OMG radioactive death storm coming! We will all be murdered in our beds tomorrow morning by Storm Ibuprofen!! OMG!!!!mybrainhurts said:
Andy Zarse said:
turbobloke said:
Imogen is on the way. Naming rain and wind was already a farce now it's getting tedious.
OMG radioactive death storm coming! We will all be murdered in our beds tomorrow morning by Storm Ibuprofen!! OMG!!!!mybrainhurts said:
Andy Zarse said:
turbobloke said:
Imogen is on the way. Naming rain and wind was already a farce now it's getting tedious.
OMG radioactive death storm coming! We will all be murdered in our beds tomorrow morning by Storm Ibuprofen!! OMG!!!!
(you set'em up, I'll knock'em over)
mybrainhurts said:
Andy Zarse said:
turbobloke said:
Imogen is on the way. Naming rain and wind was already a farce now it's getting tedious.
OMG radioactive death storm coming! We will all be murdered in our beds tomorrow morning by Storm Ibuprofen!! OMG!!!!25 to go ...
So it should come around about the end of April?
I was slumped in front of CountryFile on the Beeb yesterday evening.
I was unsurprised to hear one of the presenters announce that either 2009 or current (I can't recall which) was "the wettest EVER".
And then there was a weather presenter being grilled about "will climate change make extreme weather (the piece was about floods) more commonplace?". He did actually acknowledge that it was hard to predict (...) but that a warmer climate would make things wetter for sure.
All meaningless, unsupported, political guessing.
But because its on CountryFile - Joe and Jane Public will be further convinced of MMGW, etc. /sigh/
I was unsurprised to hear one of the presenters announce that either 2009 or current (I can't recall which) was "the wettest EVER".
And then there was a weather presenter being grilled about "will climate change make extreme weather (the piece was about floods) more commonplace?". He did actually acknowledge that it was hard to predict (...) but that a warmer climate would make things wetter for sure.
All meaningless, unsupported, political guessing.
But because its on CountryFile - Joe and Jane Public will be further convinced of MMGW, etc. /sigh/
LongQ said:
You'll have to wait for the next alphabetic cycle then.
25 to go ...
So it should come around about the end of April?
Only 20 to go sadly:25 to go ...
So it should come around about the end of April?
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/news/in-depth/name-our...
Jacobyte said:
And what pray is wrong with...Quentin
Ulysses
Xavier
Yolanda
and Zowie?
LongQ said:
...That said I have a suspicion that it might become a huge incentive for people to turn off the hype reception and simply recognise that we live in a part of the planet that does have a tendency towards wide ranging but not terribly extreme weather on a day by day basis. Such a recognition might be a good thing....
My emphasis. Did you not get the memo?http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06zryhm
tomw2000 said:
I was slumped in front of CountryFile on the Beeb yesterday evening.
I was unsurprised to hear one of the presenters announce that either 2009 or current (I can't recall which) was "the wettest EVER".
And then there was a weather presenter being grilled about "will climate change make extreme weather (the piece was about floods) more commonplace?". He did actually acknowledge that it was hard to predict (...) but that a warmer climate would make things wetter for sure.
All meaningless, unsupported, political guessing.
But because its on CountryFile - Joe and Jane Public will be further convinced of MMGW, etc. /sigh/
Ironically, the somewhat over-exited young presenter was drawing pictures in a pile of melting Viner, which by rights should have ceased to exist by now...I was unsurprised to hear one of the presenters announce that either 2009 or current (I can't recall which) was "the wettest EVER".
And then there was a weather presenter being grilled about "will climate change make extreme weather (the piece was about floods) more commonplace?". He did actually acknowledge that it was hard to predict (...) but that a warmer climate would make things wetter for sure.
All meaningless, unsupported, political guessing.
But because its on CountryFile - Joe and Jane Public will be further convinced of MMGW, etc. /sigh/
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