Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3
Discussion
Halb said:
That's been picked up over at the political blog Climate Depot:
"Celebrate! U.S. Supreme Halts Obama EPA Climate Regs"
http://www.climatedepot.com/2016/02/09/celebrate-u...
They also cover The Pause in the RSS satellite dataset, which was of course not subjected to the human influence of a keyboard and artificial warming from moving buoy SST to ship intakes (that adjustment really was quite a wheeze).
There has been no warming for 18 years 8 months even though one-third of all anthropogenic forcings since 1750 have occurred since 1997.
http://www.climatedepot.com/2016/01/12/satellites-...
Which takes us back to Feynman and what it means to believers' special clever theory when the data doesn't play ball: manmadeup global warming junkscience as expressed through inadequate climate models is simply wrong.
Mr GrimNasty said:
Although the pause has been pretty much ignored, when it likely vanishes in the next month or so because of El Nino, what's the betting it will suddenly be big news all over the MSM?
El Nino forecast to weaken this spring and allow La Nina onto the stage.https://weather.com/news/climate/news/el-nino-noaa...
turbobloke said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
Although the pause has been pretty much ignored, when it likely vanishes in the next month or so because of El Nino, what's the betting it will suddenly be big news all over the MSM?
El Nino forecast to weaken this spring and allow La Nina onto the stage.https://weather.com/news/climate/news/el-nino-noaa...
Assuming things tip into a strong La Nina, the pause will obviously re-emerge longer than ever, but it could take a a couple of years.
Mr GrimNasty said:
Although the pause has been pretty much ignored, when it likely vanishes in the next month or so because of El Nino, what's the betting it will suddenly be big news all over the MSM?
If you don't like the MSM don't read it.Get your feed from suppliers more digestible to you.
Mr GrimNasty said:
turbobloke said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
Although the pause has been pretty much ignored, when it likely vanishes in the next month or so because of El Nino, what's the betting it will suddenly be big news all over the MSM?
El Nino forecast to weaken this spring and allow La Nina onto the stage.https://weather.com/news/climate/news/el-nino-noaa...
Assuming things tip into a strong La Nina, the pause will obviously re-emerge longer than ever, but it could take a a couple of years.
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/blogs/enso/f...
'This is definitely one of the strongest three going back to 1950.'
Deliberate or not, this prevents mention of the strong and prolonged El Niño that lasted from autumn 1939 through to spring 1942.
More tax gas, weaker shorter El Ninos, off-message, must not mention, conveniently stop at 1950.
turbobloke said:
That's been picked up over at the political blog Climate Depot:
"Celebrate! U.S. Supreme Halts Obama EPA Climate Regs"
http://www.climatedepot.com/2016/02/09/celebrate-u...
They also cover The Pause in the RSS satellite dataset, which was of course not subjected to the human influence of a keyboard and artificial warming from moving buoy SST to ship intakes (that adjustment really was quite a wheeze).
There has been no warming for 18 years 8 months even though one-third of all anthropogenic forcings since 1750 have occurred since 1997.
http://www.climatedepot.com/2016/01/12/satellites-...
Which takes us back to Feynman and what it means to believers' special clever theory when the data doesn't play ball: manmadeup global warming junkscience as expressed through inadequate climate models is simply wrong.
Premature to celebrate one way or the other. The Supreme Court is simply preventing the EPA from implementing measures until all the lawsuits have been settled."Celebrate! U.S. Supreme Halts Obama EPA Climate Regs"
http://www.climatedepot.com/2016/02/09/celebrate-u...
They also cover The Pause in the RSS satellite dataset, which was of course not subjected to the human influence of a keyboard and artificial warming from moving buoy SST to ship intakes (that adjustment really was quite a wheeze).
There has been no warming for 18 years 8 months even though one-third of all anthropogenic forcings since 1750 have occurred since 1997.
http://www.climatedepot.com/2016/01/12/satellites-...
Which takes us back to Feynman and what it means to believers' special clever theory when the data doesn't play ball: manmadeup global warming junkscience as expressed through inadequate climate models is simply wrong.
mko9 said:
Premature to celebrate one way or the other. The Supreme Court is simply preventing the EPA from implementing measures until all the lawsuits have been settled.
Depends on what's being celebrated.A brake on Obama's climate silliness - good.
Delay until he's gone - better.
Optimism!
Cardiff Airport is set to reduce or abolish air passenger tax - it all depends on the Budget and what Osborne lets them get up to. They're competing with English airports e.g. Bristol and if the budget is right and the proposal goes ahead it will reverse the pressure and put UK airports on the spot as airlines relocate. It could be nothing or the start of something sensible in both countries - it's premature to celebrate anything though 
http://arstechnica.co.uk/science/2016/02/30-percen...
Oh dear
or perhaps not?
What they mean by missinformation is that 30% of teachers haven't swallowed the b
ks.
Oh dear
or perhaps not?
What they mean by missinformation is that 30% of teachers haven't swallowed the b
ks.Otispunkmeyer said:
http://arstechnica.co.uk/science/2016/02/30-percen...
Oh dear
or perhaps not?
What they mean by missinformation is that 30% of teachers haven't swallowed the bks.
That surprises me. My son's school has religious propaganda all over the Geography department. I'd have thought realists would have been placed in a Wicker Man by now?Oh dear
or perhaps not?
What they mean by missinformation is that 30% of teachers haven't swallowed the b
ks.Otispunkmeyer said:
http://arstechnica.co.uk/science/2016/02/30-percen...
Oh dear
or perhaps not?
What they mean by missinformation is that 30% of teachers haven't swallowed the bks.
The Propaganda in schools about global warming, is scary. They are pounding this rubbish into children's brains, even the kids who do not agree, or ask awkward questions have to answer exams, using the prescribed "correct" answers, else prepare to fail.Oh dear
or perhaps not?
What they mean by missinformation is that 30% of teachers haven't swallowed the b
ks.Teachers who promote the questioning of the consensus, are actively removed or shifted sideways. "C02speak" is alive and well in the schools.
Crush said:
Otispunkmeyer said:
http://arstechnica.co.uk/science/2016/02/30-percen...
Oh dear
or perhaps not?
What they mean by missinformation is that 30% of teachers haven't swallowed the bks.
That surprises me. My son's school has religious propaganda all over the Geography department. I'd have thought realists would have been placed in a Wicker Man by now?Oh dear
or perhaps not?
What they mean by missinformation is that 30% of teachers haven't swallowed the b
ks.http://arstechnica.co.uk/author/annalee/
Perfectly placed to be writing on this stuff of course.... not. PhD in english for whatever that is worth (erm probably not even the paper its written on in this case). Exactly the type to swallow the guff without question and then parrot it as an authoritative voice. According to them writing a science blog is good enough to qualify you.
I mean the opening paragraphs are quite horrid. Like kids are supposed to sit in lesson, be told this is what is it is, swallow it and be good little worker bees. Heaven forbid the science teacher behaves like a science teacher, provides evidence from both sides and tries to get the kids to think for themselves!
EDIT; I think that site is staffed by complete buffoons. There is another feature on there about how to build your home NAS. Read the article, turns out what he meant by home NAS (Network Attached Storage for backups etc) was building a small gaming rig running windows 10 with a network share folder...
Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Friday 12th February 15:41
Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Friday 12th February 15:51
Gandahar said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
Although the pause has been pretty much ignored, when it likely vanishes in the next month or so because of El Nino, what's the betting it will suddenly be big news all over the MSM?
If you don't like the MSM don't read it.Get your feed from suppliers more digestible to you.
Mr GrimNasty said:
join...skeptical science etc....
Purely on that score, some of us have been there got the T-shirt and the deleted posts and the ban, and not for trolling. At least Gandahar and other believers can still post on here within the rules if they wish. A telling difference when PH climate threads are being criticised. Naturally the strong suspicion is that if believer advocacy blogs allowed open contributions period, they would lose the debate.Can't work out if this is a poe or not - Davis Whitehouse at the Global Warming Popular Front cautions against using El Nino years for trend analysis:
Nasa made a key statement; “Only once before, in 1998, has the new record been much greater than the old record by that much.” This clearly because 2015 was like 1998 a strong El Nino year. Because of this it is unwise to use 2015 in any trend analysis. It is essential to view the 2015 along with subsequent years to catch the cooling La Nina effect. Only this way can the El Nino contribution be properly assessed. Using 2015 to increase the trend of recent years is unsafe. Remember when some analysts used 1998 as a start point for global temperature trend analysis they were rightly criticised for it. It now seems that some are using a strong El Nino year – 2015 – as the endpoint for their analysis!
http://www.thegwpf.com/nasa-noaa-and-uk-met-office...
Nasa made a key statement; “Only once before, in 1998, has the new record been much greater than the old record by that much.” This clearly because 2015 was like 1998 a strong El Nino year. Because of this it is unwise to use 2015 in any trend analysis. It is essential to view the 2015 along with subsequent years to catch the cooling La Nina effect. Only this way can the El Nino contribution be properly assessed. Using 2015 to increase the trend of recent years is unsafe. Remember when some analysts used 1998 as a start point for global temperature trend analysis they were rightly criticised for it. It now seems that some are using a strong El Nino year – 2015 – as the endpoint for their analysis!
http://www.thegwpf.com/nasa-noaa-and-uk-met-office...
plunker said:
Can't work out if this is a poe or not - Davis Whitehouse at the Global Warming Popular Front cautions against using El Nino years for trend analysis:
Nasa made a key statement; “Only once before, in 1998, has the new record been much greater than the old record by that much.” This clearly because 2015 was like 1998 a strong El Nino year. Because of this it is unwise to use 2015 in any trend analysis. It is essential to view the 2015 along with subsequent years to catch the cooling La Nina effect. Only this way can the El Nino contribution be properly assessed. Using 2015 to increase the trend of recent years is unsafe. Remember when some analysts used 1998 as a start point for global temperature trend analysis they were rightly criticised for it. It now seems that some are using a strong El Nino year – 2015 – as the endpoint for their analysis!
http://www.thegwpf.com/nasa-noaa-and-uk-met-office...
I wouldn't worry about it, plunker.Nasa made a key statement; “Only once before, in 1998, has the new record been much greater than the old record by that much.” This clearly because 2015 was like 1998 a strong El Nino year. Because of this it is unwise to use 2015 in any trend analysis. It is essential to view the 2015 along with subsequent years to catch the cooling La Nina effect. Only this way can the El Nino contribution be properly assessed. Using 2015 to increase the trend of recent years is unsafe. Remember when some analysts used 1998 as a start point for global temperature trend analysis they were rightly criticised for it. It now seems that some are using a strong El Nino year – 2015 – as the endpoint for their analysis!
http://www.thegwpf.com/nasa-noaa-and-uk-met-office...
They have recently adjusted the 1998 temperature downwards. If this doesn't fix it, then they will make further adjustments.
Your science is safe.
Relax.
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