Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3

[Mr GrimNasty]

Did none of them notice when we had that 2 days of real cold a short while back, the wind farms provided nothing, then the next day when it warmed up, they were paid to NOT supply because the grid couldn't take it!

Load of bks.

[robinessex]

Doesn't matter what they call them, when there’s no wind, there's NO BLOODY ELECTRICITY !!! What a surprise. So something else has got to be provided to supply electricity when they're idle, stupid bloody politicians.

[chris watton]

The only thing that surprises me is the fact that there are still many people who actually believe a word that Cameron spouts!

[motco]

robinessex said:

Doesn't matter what they call them, when there’s no wind and it's dark, there's NO BLOODY ELECTRICITY !!! What a surprise. So something else has got to be provided to supply electricity when they're idle, stupid bloody politicians.

Added a factor for you...

[robinessex]

motco said:

robinessex said:

Doesn't matter what they call them, when there’s no wind and it's dark, there's NO BLOODY ELECTRICITY !!! What a surprise. So something else has got to be provided to supply electricity when they're idle, stupid bloody politicians.

Added a factor for you...

And cold of course !!!

[turbobloke]

don4l said:

It is incredibly slow.

Earlier today I emailed somebody who would be in a better position to comment than many of us - can't speak for everyone - and their reply, just in, was that it's all still constipated. Nothing is moving, no outcomes.

[robinessex]

How about George Mouthbore at the Guardian publishing all of this? Oh hang on, maybe not !!!

[Jasandjules]

It is a damn good job they never said that snow is a thing of the past, as it is snowing outside now......

It is bloody cold all this Global Warming.

[wc98]

turbobloke said:

No pooping there don4l, can't recollect seeing it before so it's welcome news. Do we know the state of the counterclaims?

The legal process is slow after all.

not so much slow as politically and morally corrupt in the states .you definitely buy your justice there. here is all i can find on current state of play regards steyn vs mann . worth a read. http://www.steynonline.com/6910/mann-vs-steyn-the-... ,lots of quality steyn merchandise can be purchased to support his legal fund. i doubt very much whether mann will see this out to the end, despite being rumoured to have the backing of the david suzuki foundation.

[don4l]

Mr GrimNasty said:

don4l said:

I really hate to be a party pooper, but that story is two years old.

Yes I noticed as I posted, I was just about to edit. Nothing much changed did it!

I find it enormously depressing.

[Halb]

gazza285 said:

Bad news for IPCC favourites Michael Mann and Andrew Weaver...

http://principia-scientific.org/michael-mann-faces...

That was two years ago?

edit
I see that has been covered.

2nd edit
Justice Scalia’s death could change Supreme Court position on climate – “nightmare scenario” possible for greens
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/02/14/justice-scal...

Edited by Halb on Sunday 14th February 23:25

[dandarez]

Foregone conclusion, Climate Change - sorry, The Revenant - DiCaprio - has won best film at the BAFTAs.

[LongQ]

dandarez said:

Foregone conclusion, Climate Change - sorry, The Revenant - DiCaprio - has won best film at the BAFTAs.

Presumably that proves that you have to burn a lot of carbon to make a "good" film.


Little boat hopping Lennie should be proud!

[QuantumTokoloshi]

Seems the greens are not doing so well in all things legal. Tim "greenster" Yeo, having lost a defamation suit, is getting another invite to court. Green greed is looking to be expensive now.

http://order-order.com/2016/02/15/yeo-being-sued-a...

[turbobloke]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

Seems the greens are not doing so well in all things legal. Tim "greenster" Yeo, having lost a defamation suit, is getting another invite to court. Green greed is looking to be expensive now.

http://order-order.com/2016/02/15/yeo-being-sued-a...

Excellent news, here's hoping the second Court appearance of Yeo goes the same way as the first.

[rovermorris999]

Indeed. I'm not usually one for schadenfreude but in his case I'll make an exception.

[DibblyDobbler]

This in the Guardian today - totally depressing

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/...

If you can't bear to click the link here's the opening paragraph:

Article said:

Why don't we treat climate change with the rigor we give to terror attacks?

Extreme weather, water shortages and the spread of mosquito-borne diseases like Zika are all having very real effects on everyday realities globally, and they are all linked to a fast-heating earth system. Yet we still don’t treat climate change with the reverence we reserve for something like a terrorist attack.

And the top rated comment: 'Cos the s think climate change is a myth...'

I tried my best but probably to no avail:

Dibbly said:

Umm - now let me see.... Oh yes! Because there is no climate change - don't believe me, believe satellite data: http://www.climatedepot.com/.../satellites-no-glob...

[durbster]

DibblyDobbler said:

I tried my best but probably to no avail:

Dibbly said:

Umm - now let me see.... Oh yes! Because there is no climate change - don't believe me, believe satellite data: http://www.climatedepot.com/.../satellites-no-glob...

Did you read this blog post from the source of the satellite data?
http://www.remss.com/blog/recent-slowing-rise-glob...

RSS said:

Does this slow-down in the warming mean that the idea of anthropogenic global warming is no longer valid? The short answer is ‘no’.

[turbobloke]

durbster said:

DibblyDobbler said:

I tried my best but probably to no avail:

Dibbly said:

Umm - now let me see.... Oh yes! Because there is no climate change - don't believe me, believe satellite data: http://www.climatedepot.com/.../satellites-no-glob...

Did you read this blog post from the source of the satellite data?
http://www.remss.com/blog/recent-slowing-rise-glob...

RSS said:

Does this slow-down in the warming mean that the idea of anthropogenic global warming is no longer valid? The short answer is ‘no’.

Yet there's no visible causal human signal in any global climate data, so the idea of anthropogenic global warming is as valid as anything founded on faith. Amen to that, praise be to Gaia etc.

[jurbie]

durbster said:

DibblyDobbler said:

I tried my best but probably to no avail:

Dibbly said:

Umm - now let me see.... Oh yes! Because there is no climate change - don't believe me, believe satellite data: http://www.climatedepot.com/.../satellites-no-glob...

Did you read this blog post from the source of the satellite data?
http://www.remss.com/blog/recent-slowing-rise-glob...

RSS said:

Does this slow-down in the warming mean that the idea of anthropogenic global warming is no longer valid? The short answer is ‘no’.

I'd agree with that, what the slow down does tells us however is the models that predicted imminent doom are wrong. The reality is we don't know anything so yes AGW is valid but then again maybe it isn't we don't really know. Is that enough to lead government policy? I don't think so hence this thread.

Just to illustrate.