Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3

[LongQ]

turbobloke said:

LongQ said:

My apologies if this was covered previously but I don't recall reading it before.

Richard Lindzen's lecture to the 48th Session: Erice International Seminars on Planetary Emergencies.

Presented via the link to a guest essay at Energy Matters.

http://euanmearns.com/global-warming-and-the-irrel...


What he observes seems to be right in line with the views most frequently expressed in this thread bringing most of them together in one place with a useful list of references cited.

It's a very well-crafted piece and it would be churlish to criticise, but what the heck...in fact this is merely an observation not a criticism

Where Prof Lindzen reminds his readers of this information pollution:

Richard Lindzen said:

Senators McCain and Lieberman (Boston Globe, February 13, 2007) offered the standard misreading of the IPCC WG1’s iconic statement: 'The recent report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change concluded there is a greater than 90 percent chance that greenhouse gases released by human activities like burning oil in cars and coal in power plants are causing most of the observed global warming. This report puts the final nail in denial’s coffin about the problem of global warming'

There really was no reason not to take the opportunity to point out that this is not just wrong and silly but worse than that.

With the Pause in full swing the chance increased from 90% to 95% which is brazen to say the least, it could and should have been noted. Also those percentage figures, designed to look like meaningful statistical significance, are in fact pure conjecture from self-appointed experts as acknowledged in an IPCC SPM footnote. The abracadabra of climatewang is rarely hidden, they couldn't even hide the decline, so there's no harm in shining lights on it.

It's the general well structured approach that I find most beneficial.

I suspect it may have been interesting deciding what to include and what to leave out based on the target audience and the primary message to be conveyed within the timeslot for the presentation. If the essay is in fact a transcript the notes may have been slightly different.

I doubt than Erice audience would be incredibly receptive to thorough analysis - they can probably work it out for themselves if they wish to - or discuss the implications after the presentation.

[turbobloke]

LongQ said:

It's the general well structured approach that I find most beneficial.

I suspect it may have been interesting deciding what to include and what to leave out based on the target audience and the primary message to be conveyed within the timeslot for the presentation. If the essay is in fact a transcript the notes may have been slightly different.

I doubt than Erice audience would be incredibly receptive to thorough analysis - they can probably work it out for themselves if they wish to - or discuss the implications after the presentation.

Agreed, well-structured and the content that's there is excellent.

However I still think that the 90% and 95% silliness really needs nailing at every opportunity, it's pure conjecture and not from disinterested parties either!

Meaningless IPCC percentages

[rovermorris999]

Dear Lord, polar bears again

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3452894/Ph...

[turbobloke]

Minty, glacier style.

[Moonhawk]

rovermorris999 said:

Dear Lord, polar bears again

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3452894/Ph...

So it died because "climate change". Couldnt possibly be illness, injury, old age...........you know, all the stuff that kills thousands of animals every day.

[robinessex]

rovermorris999 said:

Dear Lord, polar bears again

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3452894/Ph...

That's got to be the worst collection of baseless conjecture I've ever read. An 11 yr old could pull that crap to pieces

[turbobloke]

robinessex said:

rovermorris999 said:

Dear Lord, polar bears again

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3452894/Ph...

That's got to be the worst collection of baseless conjecture I've ever read. An 11 yr old could pull that crap to pieces

Unfortunately the age limit for election as an MP is 18 and there are undoubtedly EU regs preventing the IPCC (or media outlets) from employing 11 year-old Brits.

So not much climatewang gets pulled apart out there, even when it's already falling to pieces.

[Crush]

Moonhawk said:

So it died because "climate change". Couldnt possibly be illness, injury, old age...........you know, all the stuff that kills thousands of animals every day.

Polar bears are immortal you denier

[Beati Dogu]

They love using polar bears for propaganda. Who can forget this advert for Plane Stupid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxis7Y1ikIQ

[mybrainhurts]

Beati Dogu said:

They love using polar bears for propaganda. Who can forget this advert for Plane Stupid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxis7Y1ikIQ

http://www.planestupid.com/

They're going to jail. Oh dear, never mind...

[chris watton]

mybrainhurts said:

Beati Dogu said:

They love using polar bears for propaganda. Who can forget this advert for Plane Stupid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxis7Y1ikIQ

http://www.planestupid.com/

They're going to jail. Oh dear, never mind...

Just had a quick peek at that website. The look of smug self-righteousness on their faces in the photos is really quite something...

[don4l]

Beati Dogu said:

They love using polar bears for propaganda. Who can forget this advert for Plane Stupid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxis7Y1ikIQ

That's hilarious!

[Moonhawk]

Crush said:

Moonhawk said:

So it died because "climate change". Couldnt possibly be illness, injury, old age...........you know, all the stuff that kills thousands of animals every day.

Polar bears are immortal you denier

Why didn't the additional VED I paid last year save it? What else am I paying it for except to save polar bears - it's certainly not being used to fill pot holes?

Seems like i'm getting a bad deal.

By now - I should have my own fking polar bear, trained to bring me fking glacier mints on command

Edited by Moonhawk on Friday 19th February 07:13

[robinessex]

Mr Copeland is a renowned photographer, polar explorer and environmental activist.

In 2005, he helped to lead an expedition party including actors Jake Gyllenhaal and Salma Hayek to the Arctic to mark Earth Day which raises awareness about climate change.

Four years later, he trekked 400 miles to the North Pole.

Great. So how does that 'show' him that the ice/snow is disappearing due to climate change ? I'm pretty well pissed of reading of the morons who bugger off to one of the poles, tramp around a bit, gawp at the ice and snow, and then proclaim that climate change is happening.

[robinessex]

Consequences' for the US if it quits Paris climate deal

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-3560...

'The US faces "diplomatic consequences" if a new President decides to pull out of the Paris Climate Agreement.'

The fallout starts !!!

[robinessex]

Supreme shock: Has US court holed Paris climate deal?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-3554...

BBC Matt McGrath

'Have five elderly, conservative Americans stalled what President Obama called the "best chance we have to save the one planet we've got"?'

The climate changers I suspect are terrified that their crap will be shot to pieces if the courts start to get involved. Their evidence of CW will then be subject to detail anaylsis, and all the dodgy aspects if it will be exposed. You can't take dodgy corrupt stuff to court without reprecusions.

Edited by robinessex on Friday 19th February 08:35

[LongQ]

The Energy Matters blog is producing some rather good analysis on various matters.

This one fits right in with a thread about the nature of the political influences that have led us to where we are today.

http://euanmearns.com/the-origins-of-the-2008-uk-c...


Blind egos trying to outdo each other with one particular "group" of "activists" doing what activists love to do - pull strings and manipulate.

Lets face it with the standard of politicians we seem to elect these days there are plenty of easy targets to be fitted with chips and collars and trained to be obedient.

Being natural pack animals they are easily led.

I can see why activists seem to have an affinity for Polar Bears. Highly dangerous largely solitary creatures with extensive survival skills on land, ice and at sea. Prepared to eat their own species when peckish for more power. Extremely single minded and self aware in ways that really ought to be of interest to psychologists and psychiatrists.

[Mr GrimNasty]

robinessex said:

Supreme shock: Has US court holed Paris climate deal?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-3554...

BBC Matt McGrath

'Have five elderly, conservative Americans stalled what President Obama called the "best chance we have to save the one planet we've got"?'

The climate changers I suspect are terrified that their crap will be shot to pieces if the courts start to get involved. Their evidence of CW will then be subject to detail anaylsis, and all the dodgy aspects if it will be exposed. You can't take dodgy corrupt stuff to court without reprecusions.

Edited by robinessex on Friday 19th February 08:35

Unfortunately Judge Scalia dropped dead.

[Halb]

robinessex said:

Consequences' for the US if it quits Paris climate deal

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-3560...

'The US faces "diplomatic consequences" if a new President decides to pull out of the Paris Climate Agreement.'

The fallout starts !!!

Only Trump or a GoP would do that, and they're not gonna win.

[The Don of Croy]

Apologies if a repeat, but via the JoNova site this clip from the stage adaptation of Yes Prime Minister stays true to the original (scarily accurate);

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niv3_YWfn9U&li...

the fuller version if you have a spare half hour;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Waks6enbjg

Jo Nova also covers the current Oz heatwave in Perth - and the excitable meeja-fest surrounding the various claims of warmest since x etc etc