Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3
Discussion
turbobloke said:
motco said:
turbobloke said:
Nobody saw it presumably...it was painted as armageddonist in the trailer.
I did TB but high blood pressure wipes the memory! Felt like smashing the set when they poured out all the 'five hottest years, and five consecutive months since records began...' So many questions about sources and so on. A neat spiral graph proved they were right and we're all going to be murdered in our beds.motco said:
And they're at it (barbecue summer) again! Sizzling summer forecast
They did that last Summer, and the Summer before, only for rain to stop play just a few days later, which lasted the rest of the 'Sizzling Summer'.We even came home early from holiday due to the s
t weather.motco said:
turbobloke said:
motco said:
turbobloke said:
Nobody saw it presumably...it was painted as armageddonist in the trailer.
I did TB but high blood pressure wipes the memory! Felt like smashing the set when they poured out all the 'five hottest years, and five consecutive months since records began...' So many questions about sources and so on. A neat spiral graph proved they were right and we're all going to be murdered in our beds.
chris watton said:
motco said:
And they're at it (barbecue summer) again! Sizzling summer forecast
They did that last Summer, and the Summer before, only for rain to stop play just a few days later, which lasted the rest of the 'Sizzling Summer'.We even came home early from holiday due to the s
t weather.
Mr GrimNasty said:
Given the Atlantic is cool, with any luck the summer will be dominated by W or NW winds, and they will be wronger than a wrong thing in the wrong pace at the wrong time.
Not politics, but the drop in SSTs from El Nino is quite impressive.
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But, but, butt, butt its been the warmest April eva since eva began!! Not politics, but the drop in SSTs from El Nino is quite impressive.
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Now:
Those pools of cold coming from the poles don't look very nice at all.
chris watton said:
motco said:
And they're at it (barbecue summer) again! Sizzling summer forecast
They did that last Summer, and the Summer before, only for rain to stop play just a few days later, which lasted the rest of the 'Sizzling Summer'.El Guapo said:
chris watton said:
motco said:
And they're at it (barbecue summer) again! Sizzling summer forecast
They did that last Summer, and the Summer before, only for rain to stop play just a few days later, which lasted the rest of the 'Sizzling Summer'.Einion Yrth said:
El Guapo said:
chris watton said:
motco said:
And they're at it (barbecue summer) again! Sizzling summer forecast
They did that last Summer, and the Summer before, only for rain to stop play just a few days later, which lasted the rest of the 'Sizzling Summer'.The Beebs CC puff piece today:-
Agricultural emissions 'reality check'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-3631...
Yes, we've got to get cows to stop farting !!!
A new report says that global agricultural emissions must be slashed to prevent the planet warming by more than 2C over the next century.
The current focus is on reducing emissions from transport and energy.
But an international team of scientists argues that if farm-related emissions aren't tackled then the Paris climate targets will be breached.
An estimated one-third of our greenhouse gas emissions come from agriculture.
The report by researchers from the universities of Vermont and Sheffield and the CGIAR Research Program on Climate Change examines non-CO2 emissions, such as methane and nitrous oxide.
Cattle produce methane as part of their digestion and emit it mostly through belching. The addition of natural or synthetic fertilisers to soils releases large amounts of nitrous oxide.
The researchers have calculated for the first time that these emissions must be reduced by one gigatonne per year in 2030.
They estimate that the mitigation plans currently in place would only cut emissions by 21-40%.
Bullst I feel is appropriate !!!
Agricultural emissions 'reality check'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-3631...
Yes, we've got to get cows to stop farting !!!
A new report says that global agricultural emissions must be slashed to prevent the planet warming by more than 2C over the next century.
The current focus is on reducing emissions from transport and energy.
But an international team of scientists argues that if farm-related emissions aren't tackled then the Paris climate targets will be breached.
An estimated one-third of our greenhouse gas emissions come from agriculture.
The report by researchers from the universities of Vermont and Sheffield and the CGIAR Research Program on Climate Change examines non-CO2 emissions, such as methane and nitrous oxide.
Cattle produce methane as part of their digestion and emit it mostly through belching. The addition of natural or synthetic fertilisers to soils releases large amounts of nitrous oxide.
The researchers have calculated for the first time that these emissions must be reduced by one gigatonne per year in 2030.
They estimate that the mitigation plans currently in place would only cut emissions by 21-40%.
Bulls
t I feel is appropriate !!!robinessex said:
The Beebs CC puff piece today:-
Agricultural emissions 'reality check'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-3631...
Bullst I feel is appropriate !!!
I quite agree however Denmark wants to introduce a meat tax and I imagine once implemented the rest of us won't be far behind.Agricultural emissions 'reality check'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-3631...
Bulls
t I feel is appropriate !!!http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/den...
Trump unconvinced by Paris accord:
http://uk.reuters.com/article/usa-election-trump-r...
So, China certainly will and the US may ignore it. What next? Apart from more wailing from all those expecting a cheque.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/usa-election-trump-r...
So, China certainly will and the US may ignore it. What next? Apart from more wailing from all those expecting a cheque.
grumbledoak said:
Trump unconvinced by Paris accord:
http://uk.reuters.com/article/usa-election-trump-r...
So, China certainly will and the US may ignore it. What next? Apart from more wailing from all those expecting a cheque.
Brazil's just about out of it too, too many other problems to care about Paris now.http://uk.reuters.com/article/usa-election-trump-r...
So, China certainly will and the US may ignore it. What next? Apart from more wailing from all those expecting a cheque.
Otispunkmeyer said:
Had to get a load of unrelated bullst into the story though:-The warmth this year is having major consequences around the world. In the Arctic, sea ice hit a record low annual maximum and has plunged to record low levels during the past several weeks.
In addition, a global coral bleaching event is underway, killing or injuring reefs from the Florida Keys to the Great Barrier Reef.
In Canada, forest fires are burning unusually early, with one having destroyed about 2,400 buildings in the strategic oil producing area of Fort McMurray.
The record warmth so far in 2016 almost assures that this year will eclipse 2015 as the warmest year on record. But a brewing La Niña event means that the astonishing streak of record-smashing months may come to a temporary halt before the year is over.
Todays Beeb CC puff story:-
Rocks record Totten Glacier's rapid retreat history
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-3632...
Unchecked climate change could put Antarctica's huge Totten Glacier into an unstable configuration over the coming centuries, a study has warned.
If that happens, the ice loss could push up global oceans by 2m, or more.
The claim is based on an assessment of the rocks underlying the ice stream.
Scientists tell the journal Nature that should the front of the glacier retreat about 150km from its current position, it will then enter a runaway reversal that takes it 200-250km further inland.
Most of the big glaciers in the east of the White Continent appear relatively quiescent; Totten is something of an exception.
It is experiencing a thinning rate of about half a metre per year, according to the latest satellite measurements.
Previous research indicates this is probably being driven by warm ocean water getting under and melting the floating front of the glacier.
Continues ad finitum. Contains so many coulds; mights; possibles; suggets; probables; ifs, I gave up reading it. Why not just say it's one big guess, and we haven't a clue. And the time scale is 200 bloody years, so who gives a dam!!!
Rocks record Totten Glacier's rapid retreat history
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-3632...
Unchecked climate change could put Antarctica's huge Totten Glacier into an unstable configuration over the coming centuries, a study has warned.
If that happens, the ice loss could push up global oceans by 2m, or more.
The claim is based on an assessment of the rocks underlying the ice stream.
Scientists tell the journal Nature that should the front of the glacier retreat about 150km from its current position, it will then enter a runaway reversal that takes it 200-250km further inland.
Most of the big glaciers in the east of the White Continent appear relatively quiescent; Totten is something of an exception.
It is experiencing a thinning rate of about half a metre per year, according to the latest satellite measurements.
Previous research indicates this is probably being driven by warm ocean water getting under and melting the floating front of the glacier.
Continues ad finitum. Contains so many coulds; mights; possibles; suggets; probables; ifs, I gave up reading it. Why not just say it's one big guess, and we haven't a clue. And the time scale is 200 bloody years, so who gives a dam!!!
It's not going to happen in 200 years, 2000 may not be adequate, and in any case it's not going to happen. Bets are off though as we won't be around to settle any debt.
Ice sheets are not simply growing and melting in response to average global temperature, which is meaningless in that regard. They don't melt from the surface downwards. The balance between movement and melting has no relation to today's climate, more so to the prevailing conditions thousands to tens of thousands of years ago.
Glaciation has been present in the southern hemisphere for about 30 million years. Ice cores covering the blink of an eye corresponding to the past 400,000 years show that, in that short timescale, ice has accumulated by stratigraphic layering of snow, and has not been remelted.
400,000 years...a bit further back than the Roman Warm Period and Minoan Warm Period (covering only 4000 years) both hotter than any recent modest natural warming.
The article with all its mights and coulds and shoulds is, in technical parlance, bks.
Ice sheets are not simply growing and melting in response to average global temperature, which is meaningless in that regard. They don't melt from the surface downwards. The balance between movement and melting has no relation to today's climate, more so to the prevailing conditions thousands to tens of thousands of years ago.
Glaciation has been present in the southern hemisphere for about 30 million years. Ice cores covering the blink of an eye corresponding to the past 400,000 years show that, in that short timescale, ice has accumulated by stratigraphic layering of snow, and has not been remelted.
400,000 years...a bit further back than the Roman Warm Period and Minoan Warm Period (covering only 4000 years) both hotter than any recent modest natural warming.
The article with all its mights and coulds and shoulds is, in technical parlance, b
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