Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3

Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3

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robinessex

11,057 posts

181 months

Sunday 22nd May 2016
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Does anyone remember 1976 in the UK ? That was hot for er summer !!!

The 1976 United Kingdom heat wave led to the hottest summer average temperature in the UK since records began. At the same time, the country suffered a severe drought. It was one of the driest, sunniest and warmest summers (June/July/August) in the 20th century, although 1995 is now regarded as the driest. Only a few places registered more than half their average summer rainfall. In the CET record, it was the warmest summer in that series. It was the warmest summer in the Aberdeen area since at least 1864. It was the driest summer since 1868 in Glasgow.
Heatwave and drought effects
Heathrow had 16 consecutive days over 30 °C (86 °F) from 23 June to 8 July and for 15 consecutive days from 23 June to 7 July temperatures reached 32.2 °C (90 °F) somewhere in England. Furthermore, five days saw temperatures exceed 35 °C (95 °F). On 28 June, temperatures reached 35.6 °C (96.1 °F) in Southampton, the highest June temperature recorded in the UK. The hottest day of all was 3 July, with temperatures reaching 35.9 °C (96.6 °F) in Cheltenham, one of the hottest July days on record in the UK.
The great drought was due to a very long dry period. The summer and autumn of 1975 were very dry, and the winter of 1975–76 was exceptionally dry, as was the spring of 1976; indeed, some months during this period had no rain at all in some areas.
The drought was at its most severe in August 1976. Parts of the south west went 45 days without any rain in July and August. As the hot and dry weather continued, devastating heath and forest fires broke out in parts of Southern England. 50,000 trees were destroyed at Hurn Forest in Dorset. Crops were badly hit, with £500 million worth of crops failing. Food prices subsequently increased by 12%.
In the last week of August, days after Denis Howell was appointed 'Minister for Drought', severe thunderstorms brought rain to some places for the first time in weeks. September and October 1976 were both very wet months, bringing to an end the great drought of 1975–1976.
Government response
Burrator Reservoir in Devon, July 1976. Many reservoirs, like this one, were at a very low level
The effect on domestic water supplies led to the passing of a Drought Act by parliament and Minister for Drought, Denis Howell, was appointed. There was widespread water rationing and public standpipes in some affected areas. Reservoirs were at an extremely low level, as were some rivers. The rivers Don, Sheaf, Shire Brook and Meers Brook (all in Sheffield) all ran completely dry, without a drop of water in any of them, as well as Frecheville Pond and Carterhall Pond (Carterhall Pond was permanently dry until 2007, when floods hit, and has not dried since
Longer term, the UK Department of the Environment realised it needed more information about the storage capacity and other properties of British aquifers, as sources of groundwater.
Comparisons
In the Central England Temperature series 1976 has the hottest summer for more than 350 years and probably for much longer. The average temperature over the whole summer (June, July, August) was 17.77 °C, compared to the average for the unusually warm current decade (2001–2008) of 16.30 °C. There have in other years been hotter specific summer months, though.
The summer was so hot that it is embedded in the national psyche, with subsequent heatwaves in 1995, 1997, 2001, 2003 and 2006 all using 1976 as a benchmark.


Edited by robinessex on Sunday 22 May 10:16

Pesty

42,655 posts

256 months

Sunday 22nd May 2016
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motco said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
mybrainhurts said:
Pesty said:
Not the biggest solar plant any more


http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/obama-backed-sol...
300 feet up a tower? What's that all about?

PS...Oh dear, what a bloody shame...smile
The picture at the head of the article is stupid though, PV panels with a Die Hard photoshop, nothing like the installation/'fire' in question is it.
Quite! How honest is the remainder of the article?
Media use stock photos or any photos they can get. That was an early report la times got a pic. All seems to be the same as this. It was a small fire but only 1/3 of the plant is working.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-solar-...

Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

170 months

Sunday 22nd May 2016
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Pesty said:
motco said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
mybrainhurts said:
Pesty said:
Not the biggest solar plant any more


http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/obama-backed-sol...
300 feet up a tower? What's that all about?

PS...Oh dear, what a bloody shame...smile
The picture at the head of the article is stupid though, PV panels with a Die Hard photoshop, nothing like the installation/'fire' in question is it.
Quite! How honest is the remainder of the article?
Media use stock photos or any photos they can get. That was an early report la times got a pic. All seems to be the same as this. It was a small fire but only 1/3 of the plant is working.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-solar-...
Yes I know, just looked silly though, nothing detracts from the fact that Ivanpah is a 10,000 bird killing, multi-billion dollar waste of taxpayer money that has failed to deliver and will almost certainly close sooner rather than later.

Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

170 months

Sunday 22nd May 2016
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mondeoman said:
Crush said:
krunchkin said:
As June approaches and I sit shivering looking out at leaden rain filled skies and contemplate cancelling my BBQ tomorrow and turning on the heating I wonder if the Warmists ever stop to consider how much damage it does to their cause when they keep claiming each month is the hottest on record and the world is burning up.
Baffling isn't it? Every year is 'HOTTEST EVA!" yet we seem to be using more gas and electricity to try and stay warm laugh

At least Mystic Meg was sometimes close to reality
Just turned my heating off again after the cold week. But April was the hottest ever, apparently and the artic is warmer than eva as well. I smell a rat., or El Nino.
It all depends where you are in the world!

In England April was a lot colder than average, May is on course to be in the top tens warmest (believe it or not) but little/no chance of a record.

Obviously the general record warmth declarations refer to the whole global average including 'adjusted' land data and recently 'concocted' sea data. There's not really any doubt that globally we have just had one of the warmest periods in the satellite era. But it looks increasingly like an outlier rather than a new normal level.

LongQ

13,864 posts

233 months

Sunday 22nd May 2016
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robinessex said:
Does anyone remember 1976 in the UK ? That was hot for er summer !!!
Oh yes, remember it well. Plastic seats in my MkIII Cortina company car were truly not the most comfortable place to be and the ventilation system was marginal for those conditions. I'm sure that period strongly contributed to the popularity of cloth seats.

Spring was glorious as I recall. I had just moved to the West Country to take up a new job and rented a cottage near Bath. Fabulous days.

I also remember the winter of 62/63 - just 13 years previously - when much of Northern Europe was covered in snow and ice for several weeks.

Imminent New Ice Age to Fahrenheit 451 Armageddon in just over a decade. Sounds like the basis of a plot for a film ...

motco

15,953 posts

246 months

Sunday 22nd May 2016
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LongQ said:
robinessex said:
Does anyone remember 1976 in the UK ? That was hot for er summer !!!
Oh yes, remember it well. Plastic seats in my MkIII Cortina company car were truly not the most comfortable place to be and the ventilation system was marginal for those conditions. I'm sure that period strongly contributed to the popularity of cloth seats.

Spring was glorious as I recall. I had just moved to the West Country to take up a new job and rented a cottage near Bath. Fabulous days.

I also remember the winter of 62/63 - just 13 years previously - when much of Northern Europe was covered in snow and ice for several weeks.

Imminent New Ice Age to Fahrenheit 451 Armageddon in just over a decade. Sounds like the basis of a plot for a film ...
Blimey LongQ you must be nearly as old as I am! My Hillman Hunter black vinyl seats scorched the skin off my already sunburned arse during a holiday in Bournemouth in '76. Sadly my then 2yo daughter has no memory of the many happy hours she spent bobbing around in warm sea that holiday. My son was born the following April...

1962/63 was the year I had a 1947 Morris ten Series M with huge diameter narrow wheels. Strangely enough they were better in the south of England months of snow than a good few newer cars. I passed my test in November 1962 so it was a baptism of ice, as it were!

wc98

10,391 posts

140 months

Sunday 22nd May 2016
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more "settled" science !

Zhou, Tinsley, Chu and Xiao (2016)
Abstract
A significant correlation between the solar wind speed (SWS) and sea surface temperature (SST) in the region of the North Atlantic Ocean has been found for the Northern Hemisphere winter from 1963 to 2010, based on 3-month seasonal averages. The correlation is dependent on Bz(the interplanetary magnetic field component parallel to the Earth’s magnetic dipole) as well as the SWS, and somewhat stronger in the stratospheric quasi-biennial oscillation (QBO) west phase than in the east phase. The correlations with the SWS are stronger than those with the F10.7 parameter representing solar UV inputs to the stratosphere. SST responds to changes in tropospheric dynamics via wind stress, and to changes in cloud cover affecting the radiative balance. Suggested mechanisms for the solar influence on SST include changes in atmospheric ionization and cloud microphysics affecting cloud cover, storm invigoration, and tropospheric dynamics. Such changes modify upward wave propagation to the stratosphere, affecting the dynamics of the polar vortex. Also, direct solar inputs, including energetic particles and solar UV, produce stratospheric dynamical changes. Downward propagation of stratospheric dynamical changes eventually further perturbs tropospheric dynamics and SST.

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is this the mechanism that drives the amo cycles ?

paper is pay walled from what i can see, so can't get a link to the entire paper .

wc98

10,391 posts

140 months

Sunday 22nd May 2016
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for proof all climate models are complete bunkum read the comments of jerry browning on the latest post at climate audithttps://climateaudit.org/2016/05/05/schmidts-histogram-diagram-doesnt-refute-christy/ . technically so far over my head the detail is in the stratosphere, however the links provided in jerry brownings comments https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-WyFx7Wk5zLR0RHS... do explain the end result of the modeling errors. this looks to be an issue the modeling community will have to face in the very near future. it will be interesting in the extreme to see if they can manage to spin this one away.

typical climate "science". someone that can help them regarding the modeling and they don't want to know. probably due to the fact it may be a tad embarrassing they have spent billions running models that are absolutely meaningless . yes all models are wrong but when a "climate" model becomes so far out of whack after 24 hrs it needs serious fudges added it indicates their ability to model climate over decades is zero.

now i wonder why the entire climate "science" community appears hell bent on ignoring this ? this might offer a clue.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/05/19/climate-sci...

However, when we filter these results to only include items that also use the term climate change, something strange happens. The number of articles is only reduced to roughly 55% of the total.

In other words it looks like climate change science accounts for fully 55% of the modeling done in all of science. This is a tremendous concentration, because climate change science is just a tiny fraction of the whole of science. In the U.S. Federal research budget climate science is just 4% of the whole and not all climate science is about climate change.

In short it looks like less than 4% of the science, the climate change part, is doing about 55% of the modeling done in the whole of science. Again, this is a tremendous concentration, unlike anything else in science.

We next find that when we search just on the term climate change, there are very few more articles than we found before. In fact the number of climate change articles that include one of the three modeling terms is 97% of those that just include climate change. This is further evidence that modeling completely dominates climate change research.

Pesty

42,655 posts

256 months

Sunday 22nd May 2016
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This is some bullst right here


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/05/22/portland-publ...


The Portland Public Schools board voted last week to ban any materials that cast doubt on climate change, the Portland Tribune reported.

According to the resolution passed May 17, the school district must remove any textbooks and other materials that suggest climate change is not occurring or that says human beings are not responsible for it

motco

15,953 posts

246 months

Sunday 22nd May 2016
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Pesty said:
This is some bullst right here


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/05/22/portland-publ...


The Portland Public Schools board voted last week to ban any materials that cast doubt on climate change, the Portland Tribune reported.

According to the resolution passed May 17, the school district must remove any textbooks and other materials that suggest climate change is not occurring or that says human beings are not responsible for it
If it weren't for the CO2, they'd burn the books! Disgraceful!

hidetheelephants

24,317 posts

193 months

Sunday 22nd May 2016
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An interesting article on Energy Matters about how st solar panels are.

Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

170 months

Sunday 22nd May 2016
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French solar is metered on their Grid Status page, they're further south than the UK and it still does next to nothing for 4 months of the year.

Oh UK wind check as I'm there, 0.5GW, <2% of very low demand, how useful! Only seems to have made a decent contribution for 3 or 4 months of the whole last year.

Edited by Mr GrimNasty on Sunday 22 May 21:59

mondeoman

11,430 posts

266 months

Monday 23rd May 2016
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Pesty said:
This is some bullst right here


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/05/22/portland-publ...


The Portland Public Schools board voted last week to ban any materials that cast doubt on climate change, the Portland Tribune reported.

According to the resolution passed May 17, the school district must remove any textbooks and other materials that suggest climate change is not occurring or that says human beings are not responsible for it
How do they ban the Internet?

LongQ

13,864 posts

233 months

Monday 23rd May 2016
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mondeoman said:
Pesty said:
This is some bullst right here


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/05/22/portland-publ...


The Portland Public Schools board voted last week to ban any materials that cast doubt on climate change, the Portland Tribune reported.

According to the resolution passed May 17, the school district must remove any textbooks and other materials that suggest climate change is not occurring or that says human beings are not responsible for it
How do they ban the Internet?
How much longer will Americans refer to their place of residence as "The Land of the Free"?

It occurs to me that the the influencers for this decision will either be formerly 60s Baby Boomer hippies, now of an age that means some of them have decision making authority or the generation that followed and that may be reacting adversely to the concept of individual freedoms that the Hippy era claimed to espouse.

In reality it is probably a toxic mix of the two.

Moreover if they simply focus all attention on Climate Change they can ignore all of the other significant events happening in the human governed world that may be too difficult for them to consider without destroying the philosophies they embraced in their formative years.

Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

170 months

Monday 23rd May 2016
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El Nino continues its dramatic fade. If the trend continues it will be 0/-'ve in the main region by next week.



The blue line is deeper cold water beginning to hit the surface.



At some point in the coming months I expect we will start to see the same dramatic fall away from 'record' global surface temperature.

Jasandjules

69,885 posts

229 months

Monday 23rd May 2016
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Mr GrimNasty said:
El Nino continues its dramatic fade. If the trend continues it will be 0/-'ve in the main region by next week.
There is going to be a lot of "adjusting" needed then to maintain the lies...

LongQ

13,864 posts

233 months

Monday 23rd May 2016
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Showbiz rather than politics but hey, they seem to feed off each other so why not?

Little Lennie Di Caprio flying around to pick up a "green" award.

Apparently the flights were already arranged and he just happened to hitch a ride.

Well, that was a stroke of luck then. Two in fact.

Still, I suppose if you are taking part in a Hollywood luvvies jamboree in the South of France the private jets will be moving in and out like taxis at Heathrow.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3603860/Le...

The comments I read were interesting.

Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

170 months

Monday 23rd May 2016
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Frack yeh! The beginnings of a viable energy future, hopefully.

http://news.sky.com/story/1701001/fracking-given-g...

turbobloke

103,945 posts

260 months

Tuesday 24th May 2016
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Femke de Jong as EU climate policy officer at the Brussels based Carbon Market Watch advocacy group said:
Brexit would leave Britain at the sidelines rather than as a frontrunner in the EU’s low-carbon transition.
That would be excellent news but according to the polls it's not that likely.

Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

170 months

Tuesday 24th May 2016
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Oh dear, BBC Nicky Campbell and his usual bunch of phone in experts (aka green fanatics) and eco-mental weirdos are incandescent. Nut job rhetoric and factoids reach new levels and NIcky's claim of journalistic professional impartiality is shown as a complete lie!

Eco energy is cheaper, 'swarms' of earthquakes, evil big business pursuing cash at all costs, accelerating global warming, tap water the colour the likes no one has ever seen before, Germany is the renewables icon..........

LOL.
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