Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3
Discussion
rovermorris999 said:
As reported above in the Telegraph
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3628489/Mo...
I want my money back.
I bet old George Mouthbore in the Guardian never reports this !!http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3628489/Mo...
I want my money back.
rovermorris999 said:
As reported above in the Telegraph
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3628489/Mo...
I want my money back.
White elephant wind farm abominations serving to mock our politicians' gullibility - I couldn't have put it better myself, in fact I seem to recall several of us putting it in almost identical terms on climate threads over the years.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3628489/Mo...
I want my money back.
Guardian says
'The wind industry in the UK no longer expects major onshore wind projects to be built in England, though Scotland is still seen as viable. The reason is that most of the best wind sites in England have already been taken up, and without stronger support the remaining sites are less favourable, many having poorer geography and lower wind speeds.'
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jun/06...
A clever spin unlike the turbines themselves.
'The wind industry in the UK no longer expects major onshore wind projects to be built in England, though Scotland is still seen as viable. The reason is that most of the best wind sites in England have already been taken up, and without stronger support the remaining sites are less favourable, many having poorer geography and lower wind speeds.'
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jun/06...
A clever spin unlike the turbines themselves.
rovermorris999 said:
Guardian says
'The wind industry in the UK no longer expects major onshore wind projects to be built in England, though Scotland is still seen as viable. The reason is that most of the best wind sites in England have already been taken up, and without stronger support the remaining sites are less favourable, many having poorer geography and lower wind speeds.'
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jun/06...
A clever spin unlike the turbines themselves.
So the SNP gets the green light to vandalise the glorious landscapes of Scotland they've not already screwed up. Great.'The wind industry in the UK no longer expects major onshore wind projects to be built in England, though Scotland is still seen as viable. The reason is that most of the best wind sites in England have already been taken up, and without stronger support the remaining sites are less favourable, many having poorer geography and lower wind speeds.'
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jun/06...
A clever spin unlike the turbines themselves.
robinessex said:
rovermorris999 said:
As reported above in the Telegraph
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3628489/Mo...
I want my money back.
I bet old George Mouthbore in the Guardian never reports this !!http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3628489/Mo...
I want my money back.
I inadvertently stumbled across him on Radio 4 recently, banging on about how Welsh uplands must be reclaimed by nature and sheep farmers put out of business.
As an aside, he says he won't eat meat from farms, but he's ok with roadkill or animals that have been shot. With a bit of luck, he'll choke to death on a hedgehog.
mybrainhurts said:
Thanks for reminding me of him and spoiling my day..
I inadvertently stumbled across him on Radio 4 recently, banging on about how Welsh uplands must be reclaimed by nature and sheep farmers put out of business.
As an aside, he says he won't eat meat from farms, but he's ok with roadkill or animals that have been shot. With a bit of luck, he'll choke to death on a hedgehog.
ROADKILL! For God's sake they have been slaughtered on the evil altar of the bloody motor car and deserve a state funeral, not chewed on by a greenie!I inadvertently stumbled across him on Radio 4 recently, banging on about how Welsh uplands must be reclaimed by nature and sheep farmers put out of business.
As an aside, he says he won't eat meat from farms, but he's ok with roadkill or animals that have been shot. With a bit of luck, he'll choke to death on a hedgehog.
mybrainhurts said:
robinessex said:
rovermorris999 said:
As reported above in the Telegraph
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3628489/Mo...
I want my money back.
I bet old George Mouthbore in the Guardian never reports this !!http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3628489/Mo...
I want my money back.
I inadvertently stumbled across him on Radio 4 recently, banging on about how Welsh uplands must be reclaimed by nature and sheep farmers put out of business.
As an aside, he says he won't eat meat from farms, but he's ok with roadkill or animals that have been shot. With a bit of luck, he'll choke to death on a hedgehog.
LongQ said:
mybrainhurts said:
robinessex said:
rovermorris999 said:
As reported above in the Telegraph
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3628489/Mo...
I want my money back.
I bet old George Mouthbore in the Guardian never reports this !!http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3628489/Mo...
I want my money back.
I inadvertently stumbled across him on Radio 4 recently, banging on about how Welsh uplands must be reclaimed by nature and sheep farmers put out of business.
As an aside, he says he won't eat meat from farms, but he's ok with roadkill or animals that have been shot. With a bit of luck, he'll choke to death on a hedgehog.
"Rep. Lamar Smith has valid reasons for investigating NOAA"
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2016...
Contains a concise explanation of how they (Karl et al, 2015) cooked global temperatures in time for COP21 (probably on the direct orders of, or the understanding that it was required by, Obama.)
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2016...
Contains a concise explanation of how they (Karl et al, 2015) cooked global temperatures in time for COP21 (probably on the direct orders of, or the understanding that it was required by, Obama.)
Mr GrimNasty said:
"Rep. Lamar Smith has valid reasons for investigating NOAA"
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2016...
Contains a concise explanation of how they (Karl et al, 2015) cooked global temperatures in time for COP21 (probably on the direct orders of, or the understanding that it was required by, Obama.)
A nice, straight forward explanation of why the Karl paper is junk science. Thanks for that.https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2016...
Contains a concise explanation of how they (Karl et al, 2015) cooked global temperatures in time for COP21 (probably on the direct orders of, or the understanding that it was required by, Obama.)
Todays Beeb CC puff piece
Experiment 'turns waste CO2 to stone'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-3649...
ER, what is 'waste' CO2 ?
Scientists think they have found a smart way to constrain carbon dioxide emissions - just turn them to stone. The researchers report an experiment in Iceland where they have pumped CO2 and water underground into volcanic rock. Reactions with the minerals in the deep basalts convert the carbon dioxide to a stable, immobile chalky solid. Even more encouraging, the team writes in Science magazine, is the speed at which this process occurs: on the order of months. "Of our 220 tonnes of injected CO2, 95% was converted to limestone in less than two years," said lead author Juerg Matter from Southampton University, UK. "It was a huge surprise to all the scientists involved in the project, and we thought, 'Wow! This is really fast'," he recalled on the BBC's Science In Action programme.
With carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere marching ever upwards and warming the planet, researchers are keen to investigate so called "carbon capture and storage" (CCS) solutions.
Note the stiil held belief that CO2 warms the planet.
Experiment 'turns waste CO2 to stone'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-3649...
ER, what is 'waste' CO2 ?
Scientists think they have found a smart way to constrain carbon dioxide emissions - just turn them to stone. The researchers report an experiment in Iceland where they have pumped CO2 and water underground into volcanic rock. Reactions with the minerals in the deep basalts convert the carbon dioxide to a stable, immobile chalky solid. Even more encouraging, the team writes in Science magazine, is the speed at which this process occurs: on the order of months. "Of our 220 tonnes of injected CO2, 95% was converted to limestone in less than two years," said lead author Juerg Matter from Southampton University, UK. "It was a huge surprise to all the scientists involved in the project, and we thought, 'Wow! This is really fast'," he recalled on the BBC's Science In Action programme.
With carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere marching ever upwards and warming the planet, researchers are keen to investigate so called "carbon capture and storage" (CCS) solutions.
Note the stiil held belief that CO2 warms the planet.
Nice puff piece on 'Springwatch' last night, visiting a solar 'farm' of 35 acres rated at 5MW which apparently is mega for wild flowers and birds...
Really, there's no downside - it contributes no CO2 to our troubled atmosphere and provides a wildlife haven all can enjoy.
Of course we were not offered the precise output figures, nor the subsidy level, or any info on what materials were in them, or how they are dealt with after they're short lifespan...but hey! Lurverly!
Really, there's no downside - it contributes no CO2 to our troubled atmosphere and provides a wildlife haven all can enjoy.
Of course we were not offered the precise output figures, nor the subsidy level, or any info on what materials were in them, or how they are dealt with after they're short lifespan...but hey! Lurverly!
robinessex said:
Todays Beeb CC puff piece
Experiment 'turns waste CO2 to stone'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-3649...
ER, what is 'waste' CO2 ?
Scientists think they have found a smart way to constrain carbon dioxide emissions - just turn them to stone. The researchers report an experiment in Iceland where they have pumped CO2 and water underground into volcanic rock. Reactions with the minerals in the deep basalts convert the carbon dioxide to a stable, immobile chalky solid. Even more encouraging, the team writes in Science magazine, is the speed at which this process occurs: on the order of months. "Of our 220 tonnes of injected CO2, 95% was converted to limestone in less than two years," said lead author Juerg Matter from Southampton University, UK. "It was a huge surprise to all the scientists involved in the project, and we thought, 'Wow! This is really fast'," he recalled on the BBC's Science In Action programme.
With carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere marching ever upwards and warming the planet, researchers are keen to investigate so called "carbon capture and storage" (CCS) solutions.
Note the stiil held belief that CO2 warms the planet.
This is the BBC you're talking about so for them it is not a belief but an undeniable fact. Experiment 'turns waste CO2 to stone'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-3649...
ER, what is 'waste' CO2 ?
Scientists think they have found a smart way to constrain carbon dioxide emissions - just turn them to stone. The researchers report an experiment in Iceland where they have pumped CO2 and water underground into volcanic rock. Reactions with the minerals in the deep basalts convert the carbon dioxide to a stable, immobile chalky solid. Even more encouraging, the team writes in Science magazine, is the speed at which this process occurs: on the order of months. "Of our 220 tonnes of injected CO2, 95% was converted to limestone in less than two years," said lead author Juerg Matter from Southampton University, UK. "It was a huge surprise to all the scientists involved in the project, and we thought, 'Wow! This is really fast'," he recalled on the BBC's Science In Action programme.
With carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere marching ever upwards and warming the planet, researchers are keen to investigate so called "carbon capture and storage" (CCS) solutions.
Note the stiil held belief that CO2 warms the planet.
I do wish the people involved in that research well however, imagine if we found a cost effective and simple solution to remove CO2 from the atmosphere? That would be an end to all this rubbish and we could carry on as we were. It would also be an interesting conundrum for the yoghurt knitters because we would have saved the planet and we could keep on burning fossil fuels as much as we liked. I suspect the above scheme, if it were to prove viable, would end up being likened to fracking and too dangerous to do on a large scale so keep building the windmills and paying those carbon taxes.
What seems to be absent from this article is how much CO2 was released storing this CO2. All those pipes and pumps and pressurization don't create and run themselves for two years. And how much CO2 could you pump into this spot before you have to move all your infrastructure and drill another deep hole, releasing a crapload of CO2?
robinessex said:
Todays Beeb CC puff piece
Experiment 'turns waste CO2 to stone'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-3649...
ER, what is 'waste' CO2 ?
Scientists think they have found a smart way to constrain carbon dioxide emissions - just turn them to stone. The researchers report an experiment in Iceland where they have pumped CO2 and water underground into volcanic rock. Reactions with the minerals in the deep basalts convert the carbon dioxide to a stable, immobile chalky solid. Even more encouraging, the team writes in Science magazine, is the speed at which this process occurs: on the order of months. "Of our 220 tonnes of injected CO2, 95% was converted to limestone in less than two years," said lead author Juerg Matter from Southampton University, UK. "It was a huge surprise to all the scientists involved in the project, and we thought, 'Wow! This is really fast'," he recalled on the BBC's Science In Action programme.
With carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere marching ever upwards and warming the planet, researchers are keen to investigate so called "carbon capture and storage" (CCS) solutions.
Note the stiil held belief that CO2 warms the planet.
Oh dear.Experiment 'turns waste CO2 to stone'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-3649...
ER, what is 'waste' CO2 ?
Scientists think they have found a smart way to constrain carbon dioxide emissions - just turn them to stone. The researchers report an experiment in Iceland where they have pumped CO2 and water underground into volcanic rock. Reactions with the minerals in the deep basalts convert the carbon dioxide to a stable, immobile chalky solid. Even more encouraging, the team writes in Science magazine, is the speed at which this process occurs: on the order of months. "Of our 220 tonnes of injected CO2, 95% was converted to limestone in less than two years," said lead author Juerg Matter from Southampton University, UK. "It was a huge surprise to all the scientists involved in the project, and we thought, 'Wow! This is really fast'," he recalled on the BBC's Science In Action programme.
With carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere marching ever upwards and warming the planet, researchers are keen to investigate so called "carbon capture and storage" (CCS) solutions.
Note the stiil held belief that CO2 warms the planet.
For a moment assume that this works as described. The potential for tipping the atmosphere into such a CO2 lacking mix that plants start to die off rapidly would surely not be beyond the wit of some scientists. After all pretty much all human interference in ecology using something like "natural means" has been attended by failure.
Could you imagine our present bunch of world leaders all trying to be the planet's saviour and out bidding each other (via their tax payers) to ensure that they could claim the honour of making the planet a safe place for future generations - wrong as they might be?
One has to hope there is a flaw to the plan.
robinessex said:
Todays Beeb CC puff piece
Experiment 'turns waste CO2 to stone'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-3649...
ER, what is 'waste' CO2 ?
Scientists think they have found a smart way to constrain carbon dioxide emissions - just turn them to stone. The researchers report an experiment in Iceland where they have pumped CO2 and water underground into volcanic rock. Reactions with the minerals in the deep basalts convert the carbon dioxide to a stable, immobile chalky solid. Even more encouraging, the team writes in Science magazine, is the speed at which this process occurs: on the order of months. "Of our 220 tonnes of injected CO2, 95% was converted to limestone in less than two years," said lead author Juerg Matter from Southampton University, UK. "It was a huge surprise to all the scientists involved in the project, and we thought, 'Wow! This is really fast'," he recalled on the BBC's Science In Action programme.
With carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere marching ever upwards and warming the planet, researchers are keen to investigate so called "carbon capture and storage" (CCS) solutions.
Note the stiil held belief that CO2 warms the planet.
I have always wondered where all the 'natural' limestone came from........Experiment 'turns waste CO2 to stone'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-3649...
ER, what is 'waste' CO2 ?
Scientists think they have found a smart way to constrain carbon dioxide emissions - just turn them to stone. The researchers report an experiment in Iceland where they have pumped CO2 and water underground into volcanic rock. Reactions with the minerals in the deep basalts convert the carbon dioxide to a stable, immobile chalky solid. Even more encouraging, the team writes in Science magazine, is the speed at which this process occurs: on the order of months. "Of our 220 tonnes of injected CO2, 95% was converted to limestone in less than two years," said lead author Juerg Matter from Southampton University, UK. "It was a huge surprise to all the scientists involved in the project, and we thought, 'Wow! This is really fast'," he recalled on the BBC's Science In Action programme.
With carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere marching ever upwards and warming the planet, researchers are keen to investigate so called "carbon capture and storage" (CCS) solutions.
Note the stiil held belief that CO2 warms the planet.
Who'd have though that all the carbon locked up in limestone rocks actually came from the atmosphere originally. Those sodding trilobites driving round in their Ferrari's and Aston Martins......
Edited by Moonhawk on Saturday 11th June 00:50
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