Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3
Discussion
mybrainhurts said:
You don't need variables when you have faith.
Hallelujah, brother, send money.
it's fantastic how CAGW is basically same as any other religion, you donate money for a cause to feel good and expect things will be better however you won't be alive in distant future (being it paradise or hell, based on the temperature heh) to check if your preachers were right or notHallelujah, brother, send money.
Todays Beebs CC puff piece. Or maybe not?
Debate needed on 1.5C temperature target
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-3690...
"Scientists are calling for a "thoughtful debate" about the wisdom of attempts to keep a global rise in temperatures under 1.5C."
Well!! Surprise, surprise!! Maybe they should join PH, and engage in this forum !! It's interesting that the focus seems to be, besides it might not actually be a problem IF the planet warms up a bit, is the tremendous cost worldwide. Who here said a while ago, wait until the fee's to combat CC & GW start to roll in ?
Debate needed on 1.5C temperature target
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-3690...
"Scientists are calling for a "thoughtful debate" about the wisdom of attempts to keep a global rise in temperatures under 1.5C."
Well!! Surprise, surprise!! Maybe they should join PH, and engage in this forum !! It's interesting that the focus seems to be, besides it might not actually be a problem IF the planet warms up a bit, is the tremendous cost worldwide. Who here said a while ago, wait until the fee's to combat CC & GW start to roll in ?
looks like the people of alberta have been subject to the same delusional f
kwittery of "green" politicians as europe. now the chickens are coming home to roost and yet again the public will have to pay the price,well the ones that haven't left the state for pastures more conducive to earning a living.
http://business.financialpost.com/news/energy/notl...
kwittery of "green" politicians as europe. now the chickens are coming home to roost and yet again the public will have to pay the price,well the ones that haven't left the state for pastures more conducive to earning a living. http://business.financialpost.com/news/energy/notl...
robinessex said:
Todays Beebs CC puff piece. Or maybe not?
Debate needed on 1.5C temperature target
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-3690...
"Scientists are calling for a "thoughtful debate" about the wisdom of attempts to keep a global rise in temperatures under 1.5C."
Well!! Surprise, surprise!! Maybe they should join PH, and engage in this forum !! It's interesting that the focus seems to be, besides it might not actually be a problem IF the planet warms up a bit, is the tremendous cost worldwide. Who here said a while ago, wait until the fee's to combat CC & GW start to roll in ?
With solar and temperature data still suggesting a Maunder or Dalton event ahead, my suggested strategy for achieving a temperature 'rise' below 1.5 deg C is "wait a bit". Discuss Debate needed on 1.5C temperature target
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-3690...
"Scientists are calling for a "thoughtful debate" about the wisdom of attempts to keep a global rise in temperatures under 1.5C."
Well!! Surprise, surprise!! Maybe they should join PH, and engage in this forum !! It's interesting that the focus seems to be, besides it might not actually be a problem IF the planet warms up a bit, is the tremendous cost worldwide. Who here said a while ago, wait until the fee's to combat CC & GW start to roll in ?
Greenpeace admit that renewable energy is very expensive.
http://renewables.seenews.com/news/offshore-wind-c...
"When transmission costs are added to the calculation, the price per MWh for Dong’s projects arrives at GBP 85. It then climbs to a maximum of GBP 92/MWh with balancing costs.
Meanwhile, Hinkley has been awarded a strike price of GBP 92.5/MWh in 2012 prices, so it is closer to GBP 100/MWh, according to Greenpeace.
The Energydesk analysis notes that in the Netherlands offshore wind is cheaper than the projects in the pipeline in the UK, but still the next subsidy auction there is expected to bring far better deals.
“The next Contracts for Difference subsidies will be awarded later this year so we’ll get a sense then of how much progress has been made since the February 2015 auction, which priced energy from offshore windfarms at more than GBP 110/MWh.”
http://renewables.seenews.com/news/offshore-wind-c...
"When transmission costs are added to the calculation, the price per MWh for Dong’s projects arrives at GBP 85. It then climbs to a maximum of GBP 92/MWh with balancing costs.
Meanwhile, Hinkley has been awarded a strike price of GBP 92.5/MWh in 2012 prices, so it is closer to GBP 100/MWh, according to Greenpeace.
The Energydesk analysis notes that in the Netherlands offshore wind is cheaper than the projects in the pipeline in the UK, but still the next subsidy auction there is expected to bring far better deals.
“The next Contracts for Difference subsidies will be awarded later this year so we’ll get a sense then of how much progress has been made since the February 2015 auction, which priced energy from offshore windfarms at more than GBP 110/MWh.”
Renewable subsidies look like appalling value for money when compared to the charlatan accounting that is the supposed 'social cost of carbon'.
http://www.thegwpf.com/matt-ridley-britain-should-...
UAH July data is out, tiny uptick (always seems to happen at this stage in the El Nino cycle supposedly). Still seems unlikely 2016 will be a new record in the satellite data.
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2016/08/uah-global-tem...
Durbster likes his scary orange/red spray can anomaly maps, sorry to disappoint, completely benign compared to 30 year average!
Arctic has warmed up a bit lately, but still very average for last decade.
All in all everything is um, very unalarming!
http://www.thegwpf.com/matt-ridley-britain-should-...
UAH July data is out, tiny uptick (always seems to happen at this stage in the El Nino cycle supposedly). Still seems unlikely 2016 will be a new record in the satellite data.
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2016/08/uah-global-tem...
Durbster likes his scary orange/red spray can anomaly maps, sorry to disappoint, completely benign compared to 30 year average!
Arctic has warmed up a bit lately, but still very average for last decade.
All in all everything is um, very unalarming!
08-09 Sept, Conway Hall, Red Lion Square, London.
Independent Committee on Geoethics.
www.geoethic.com
The Conference Volume of Extended Abstracts & Commentary Notes is now uploaded on ResearchGate.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/305754503...
n_2016_Conference_on_Climate_Change_Science_Geoethics_-_Conference_Volume_of_Ext
ended_Abstracts_Commentary_Notes
GWPF
Heller on fiddled temperatures.
Should be good if anyone local (or not) can get in.
Independent Committee on Geoethics.
www.geoethic.com
The Conference Volume of Extended Abstracts & Commentary Notes is now uploaded on ResearchGate.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/305754503...
n_2016_Conference_on_Climate_Change_Science_Geoethics_-_Conference_Volume_of_Ext
ended_Abstracts_Commentary_Notes
GWPF
Heller on fiddled temperatures.
Should be good if anyone local (or not) can get in.
...and Climate Change killed off the Woolly Mammoths... http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-369459...
jshell said:
...and Climate Change killed off the Woolly Mammoths... http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-369459...
Sabre-toothed tigers driving V8s. Obvious, really.turbobloke said:
jshell said:
...and Climate Change killed off the Woolly Mammoths... http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-369459...
Sabre-toothed tigers driving V8s. Obvious, really.jshell said:
...and Climate Change killed off the Woolly Mammoths... http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-369459...
Smart things, Woolly Mammoths. Digging holes to find more water when it ran short.Of course access to suitable water supplies has long been an issue for humans in certain parts of the world.
It seems likely that it will continue to be an issue while people stress about CC and for some, notably in some parts of China where rare earth metals are extracted and some types of solar panels are made, could become a more significant issue of polluted supplies rather than lack of basic access.
We should perhaps learn from the Mammoths. Water access, useful adaptation (which it seems the Mammoths lacked) and trying to live on small isolated islands. All are likely problems, albeit I suppose the current thinking might suggest that the Mammoths that had not become isolated were brutally exterminated by humans - or so it is assumed.
LongQ said:
Smart things, Woolly Mammoths. Digging holes to find more water when it ran short.
Of course access to suitable water supplies has long been an issue for humans in certain parts of the world.
It seems likely that it will continue to be an issue while people stress about CC and for some, notably in some parts of China where rare earth metals are extracted and some types of solar panels are made, could become a more significant issue of polluted supplies rather than lack of basic access.
We should perhaps learn from the Mammoths. Water access, useful adaptation (which it seems the Mammoths lacked) and trying to live on small isolated islands. All are likely problems, albeit I suppose the current thinking might suggest that the Mammoths that had not become isolated were brutally exterminated by humans - or so it is assumed.
Good that the icecaps are melting then, more fresh water? If only we could bottle it somehow!Of course access to suitable water supplies has long been an issue for humans in certain parts of the world.
It seems likely that it will continue to be an issue while people stress about CC and for some, notably in some parts of China where rare earth metals are extracted and some types of solar panels are made, could become a more significant issue of polluted supplies rather than lack of basic access.
We should perhaps learn from the Mammoths. Water access, useful adaptation (which it seems the Mammoths lacked) and trying to live on small isolated islands. All are likely problems, albeit I suppose the current thinking might suggest that the Mammoths that had not become isolated were brutally exterminated by humans - or so it is assumed.
TX.
Interesting stat from xmetman site who was looking at number of extreme UK heat anomolies i.e. +10C over normal maximum - like the 33.5C recorded this July.
The decade with the most extreme heat days (since 1880) is 1941-1950 with 19 days - there's a surprise.
2001 to 2010 only had 8 extreme days, and the latest 2011 onwards has 8 so far.
The decade with the most extreme heat days (since 1880) is 1941-1950 with 19 days - there's a surprise.
2001 to 2010 only had 8 extreme days, and the latest 2011 onwards has 8 so far.
Mr GrimNasty said:
Interesting stat from xmetman site who was looking at number of extreme UK heat anomolies i.e. +10C over normal maximum - like the 33.5C recorded this July.
The decade with the most extreme heat days (since 1880) is 1941-1950 with 19 days - there's a surprise.
2001 to 2010 only had 8 extreme days, and the latest 2011 onwards has 8 so far.
Don't worry, someone will be along shortly to adjust the shortfall out, then we'll know we're frying as we shiver.The decade with the most extreme heat days (since 1880) is 1941-1950 with 19 days - there's a surprise.
2001 to 2010 only had 8 extreme days, and the latest 2011 onwards has 8 so far.
durbster said:
The causality turbobloke goes on about is of course impossible (because it's not falsifiable without having a second Earth that's identical apart from the industrial revolution) but the fundamental physics are definitely testable, provable and calculable.
Then it is IMPOSSIBLE to show AGW. If you can not show a cause, you have no evidence to support a hypothesis......Which then begs the question as to how anyone can be "95%" certain about it, does it not?
Jasandjules said:
Then it is IMPOSSIBLE to show AGW. If you can not show a cause, you have no evidence to support a hypothesis......
Which then begs the question as to how anyone can be "95%" certain about it, does it not?
Not sure, but I'd wager there's a 100% certainty that pretending to believe in this crap is helpful for their funding of taxpayer's money..Which then begs the question as to how anyone can be "95%" certain about it, does it not?
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