Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3
Discussion
Back in the 1800s the land to the East of what was then known as London had a low population usually living in tiny hamlets and earning a scant living from the land around them.
Mostly marshes - so anything thing involved dampness and stagnant water was a target industry. The place was rife with "ague" or "marsh fever" and the death rate was high, life expectancy short even by the standards of the day. All of this was blamed on spirits or marsh gasses.
As things developed and technology improved, cities and towns began to grow and food supplies needed to move from their traditional locations as the farms became part of the conurbations. So slowly the marshes were developed by draining the land and making it more productive .... and the incidents of ague and marsh fever rapidly declined along with the population of mosquitoes.
The key to the control of mosquitoes, as with other pests like rats, is having control of water availability. As has been pointed out, ponds on a housing development sound like a marginal idea. If I was being cynical I might suggest that buyers could be attracted in the first instance - then grateful a few years later for a plan to solve the insect problem by filling in the ponds and adding a few houses ...
Mostly marshes - so anything thing involved dampness and stagnant water was a target industry. The place was rife with "ague" or "marsh fever" and the death rate was high, life expectancy short even by the standards of the day. All of this was blamed on spirits or marsh gasses.
As things developed and technology improved, cities and towns began to grow and food supplies needed to move from their traditional locations as the farms became part of the conurbations. So slowly the marshes were developed by draining the land and making it more productive .... and the incidents of ague and marsh fever rapidly declined along with the population of mosquitoes.
The key to the control of mosquitoes, as with other pests like rats, is having control of water availability. As has been pointed out, ponds on a housing development sound like a marginal idea. If I was being cynical I might suggest that buyers could be attracted in the first instance - then grateful a few years later for a plan to solve the insect problem by filling in the ponds and adding a few houses ...
Einion Yrth said:
This may be of some interest in this regard.
Was thinking of Professor Reiter, Swindle etc when I posted. Thought it was funny we hadn't heard about mozzies for a while, but guess that has come to the top of the out tray for regurgitated scaremongering. Expect an item about it on countryvile soon...My Italian aunty grew up in a particularly marshy area near Verona. One of a large brood (as the locals were apt to do then, but not now) she and her siblings were doused in DDT to keep the mozzies off. It worked.
Shame it didn't keep Polio away from her, too.
As for the National Trust, they've been disappearing up the renewables fundament for years. At least Humphries was able to pint out on the radio that most of the properties would be lost without peeps driving themselves to the car parks. The lady guvernor thought public transport was making progress in providing an alternative...some effing chance.
Buy your tickets via the Scottish National Trust - same properties, cheaper tickets.
Shame it didn't keep Polio away from her, too.
As for the National Trust, they've been disappearing up the renewables fundament for years. At least Humphries was able to pint out on the radio that most of the properties would be lost without peeps driving themselves to the car parks. The lady guvernor thought public transport was making progress in providing an alternative...some effing chance.
Buy your tickets via the Scottish National Trust - same properties, cheaper tickets.
The Don of Croy said:
As for the National Trust, they've been disappearing up the renewables fundament for years. At least Humphries was able to pint out on the radio that most of the properties would be lost without peeps driving themselves to the car parks. The lady guvernor thought public transport was making progress in providing an alternative...some effing chance.
Personally I doubt that future generations of this country will have much affinity with the aims of the NT so if the properties are sold off to extreme wealth and then abandoned I doubt many would really care. They might want to see a few places kept out of curiosity but I see no reason for future generations to lumber themselves with with ever more distant alleged history. The NT seems to be an organisation in the modern idiom. Well paid political appointees at the helm. Mainly unpaid volunteers doing the leg work. A few tradespeople in the middle patching and mending.
Look out for a rush of electric vehicles for the senior people and rapid charging points installed next to the main offices.
Tonight on ITV News:
http://www.itv.com/news/2015-03-23/calls-for-globa...
http://www.itv.com/news/2015-03-23/calls-for-globa...
Edited by gareth_r on Monday 23 March 23:29
gareth_r said:
Tonight on ITV News:
http://www.itv.com/news/2015-03-23/calls-for-globa...
i really hope the "carving" of the ice was a typo by the journalist. if the professor actually said that ,tut ,tut.http://www.itv.com/news/2015-03-23/calls-for-globa...
Edited by gareth_r on Monday 23 March 23:29
The 'record' winter max low was by a tiny tiny margin (and by some measures not at all) and extent has actually recently 'bounced' anyway so the current situation is certainly not the lowest at this point. The main lack of ice is also in an area that only ever has thin ice that melts very quickly in spring anyway.
The truth is Arctic ice volume has actually made a stunning recovery with meters deep multi-year ice (that won't melt as quickly in summer) piling up in recent years.
Only warmists could promote a major volume recovery (of what is probably a natural cycle anyway), where even the extent is as close to recent years as makes no odds, as a new disaster that needs urgent action.
The truth is Arctic ice volume has actually made a stunning recovery with meters deep multi-year ice (that won't melt as quickly in summer) piling up in recent years.
Only warmists could promote a major volume recovery (of what is probably a natural cycle anyway), where even the extent is as close to recent years as makes no odds, as a new disaster that needs urgent action.
This BBC article on the mosquito issue http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-31971996 actually contains some lack of certainty and balance (not enough though) - is this because it is in the Health section and hasn't received the same level of vetting as the heavily biased Environment section?
I half expected it to be 'corrected', but it's been up a while now.
I half expected it to be 'corrected', but it's been up a while now.
I had a disturbing discussion with a relative about the current indoctrination on global warming in schools. She has been trying to provide balance to the climate change dogma the children are being subjected to in Geography.
She has not gone anti-global warming, but simply presenting an alternative view point, letting the children investigate the science behind it themselves and make their own decisions on its validity, arguing pro or anti depending on their decision on the subject. She has now unofficially been told to stop it, in fact she has had to ask the children to give the "party-line" or else this will impact on their attainment. The brighter kids see through it, asking difficult questions about the accepted consensus. They have no option to parrot the approved line, as they are aiming for top marks.
I find this genuinely scary, it is bordering on 1984 tagline, ignorance is strength. There is an entire generation who have been subjected to this pseudo science force feeding, with textbooks proclaiming climate wang being responsible for extreme weather events as an example.
If we think the faithful are bad now, wait for this next generation, they are going to make the Hitler Youth or the young Pioneers look like wandering slackers, when it comes to blind and utter devotion to a cause.
She has not gone anti-global warming, but simply presenting an alternative view point, letting the children investigate the science behind it themselves and make their own decisions on its validity, arguing pro or anti depending on their decision on the subject. She has now unofficially been told to stop it, in fact she has had to ask the children to give the "party-line" or else this will impact on their attainment. The brighter kids see through it, asking difficult questions about the accepted consensus. They have no option to parrot the approved line, as they are aiming for top marks.
I find this genuinely scary, it is bordering on 1984 tagline, ignorance is strength. There is an entire generation who have been subjected to this pseudo science force feeding, with textbooks proclaiming climate wang being responsible for extreme weather events as an example.
If we think the faithful are bad now, wait for this next generation, they are going to make the Hitler Youth or the young Pioneers look like wandering slackers, when it comes to blind and utter devotion to a cause.
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Tuesday 24th March 10:42
Mr GrimNasty said:
The 'record' winter max low was by a tiny tiny margin (and by some measures not at all) and extent has actually recently 'bounced' anyway so the current situation is certainly not the lowest at this point. The main lack of ice is also in an area that only ever has thin ice that melts very quickly in spring anyway.
The truth is Arctic ice volume has actually made a stunning recovery with meters deep multi-year ice (that won't melt as quickly in summer) piling up in recent years.
Only warmists could promote a major volume recovery (of what is probably a natural cycle anyway), where even the extent is as close to recent years as makes no odds, as a new disaster that needs urgent action.
remember how extent was all the range in autumn 2012, then it turned to volume in autumn 2013 when the extent was greater than 2012 . as extent and volume was greater again in autumn 2014 ,all of a sudden it is winter extent that matters. these people really are a bunch of shysters. this is waht happens when people only operate within their own circles. if they ever interacted with the majority of the real world they would realise they are held in contempt and ridiculed widely,as they richly deserve to be.The truth is Arctic ice volume has actually made a stunning recovery with meters deep multi-year ice (that won't melt as quickly in summer) piling up in recent years.
Only warmists could promote a major volume recovery (of what is probably a natural cycle anyway), where even the extent is as close to recent years as makes no odds, as a new disaster that needs urgent action.
Mr GrimNasty said:
I half expected it to be 'corrected', but it's been up a while now.
Jo Abbess has been on an extended breakfast-coffee-lunch break but will be along shortly to tickle the author's tummy after they roll over like last timesteveT350C said:
Maybe he told the truth which is now classified as lying and/or unlawful?One of the later comments at the link suggests that his account has been resurrected. This has not been denied
by SG but he claims he still can't tweet. As I don't have anything to do with Twitter or Facebook there's not much chance of them deleting my accounts.
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