Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. Vol 3

[Kermit power]

I will believe that our government believes in climate change when they ban shops from having open fridges and freezers.

Until then, I'll just assume it's another way they can scam me for more of my earnings.

[robinessex]

Kermit power said:

I will believe that our government believes in climate change when they ban shops from having open fridges and freezers.

Until then, I'll just assume it's another way they can scam me for more of my earnings.

You forgot my pet hate, shops on freezing cold days with the doors open !!

[LongQ]

Concrete and air travel are, we are told, two of the worst greenhouse gas producers.

So we, the UK, intend build a rail based transport system for the élite between London and somewhere vaguely close to Birmingham that will, of necessity, involve much CO2 production including from Concrete.

In addition we pump concrete in large amounts to the west of London to encourage more travel by air - presumably something aimed at getting all of those tens of millions of Green COP attendees to future meetings in London.

The HS2 "spread the centres of wealth" beyond London concept would, surely, have suggested building a new runway In Birmingham or Manchester or somewhere other than London.

Or does the runway become a justification exercise for HS2?

Either way none of it is "green" so the Government clearly has no understanding of what "green" means or does but does not believe it really matters but the tax and control potential is too attractive to them to admit to not caring.

[motco]

robinessex said:

Kermit power said:

I will believe that our government believes in climate change when they ban shops from having open fridges and freezers.

Until then, I'll just assume it's another way they can scam me for more of my earnings.

You forgot my pet hate, shops on freezing cold days with the doors open !!

Patio heaters! If it's too cold, go inside!

[bodhi]

motco said:

robinessex said:

Kermit power said:

I will believe that our government believes in climate change when they ban shops from having open fridges and freezers.

Until then, I'll just assume it's another way they can scam me for more of my earnings.

You forgot my pet hate, shops on freezing cold days with the doors open !!

Patio heaters! If it's too cold, go inside!

We would, but the puritains have decided they want to be free to pickle their livers in a smoke free environment.

So hands off our patio heaters, its how you tell where the cool people in the pub are

[London424]

Some Clinton wikileaks stuff.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/wikileaks-hi...

[hidetheelephants]

motco said:

robinessex said:

Kermit power said:

I will believe that our government believes in climate change when they ban shops from having open fridges and freezers.

Until then, I'll just assume it's another way they can scam me for more of my earnings.

You forgot my pet hate, shops on freezing cold days with the doors open !!

Patio heaters! If it's too cold, go inside put a jumper/jacket/another layer on!

Edited for proper britishness.

[turbobloke]

London424 said:

Some Clinton wikileaks stuff.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/wikileaks-hi...

Thanks for that, it's priceless as you would expect.

"taxing carbon polls horribly, her advisers fret, but politicians will need to get behind some climate plan to drastically reduce carbon output"

"while grappling with the contradictions"

NSS

How to be an effective policy wonk in one sentence: dump the ideologically-based junkscience, keep domestic and industrial energy bills down, watch the benefits accrue and keep the lights on as well.

No contradictions.

[robinessex]

Pop over to here http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a... if you want. Durbster has started up again, ignoring every single thing he's been challenged with here.

His 'evidence' is here:-

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-cli...

https://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscien...

[durbster]

robinessex said:

Pop over to here http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a... if you want. Durbster has started up again

Aw, asking the big boys to come and get me.

robinessex said:

...ignoring every single thing he's been challenged with here.

If you think that then I'm afraid it's you who are being ignorant. I quite clearly haven't ignored your evidence. I've looked at it and explained why I think it's bks.

[robinessex]

No you haven't. You've just posted the usual advocates crap, which you've already been told, many times, why it's bks.

[motco]

hidetheelephants said:

motco said:

robinessex said:

Kermit power said:

I will believe that our government believes in climate change when they ban shops from having open fridges and freezers.

Until then, I'll just assume it's another way they can scam me for more of my earnings.

You forgot my pet hate, shops on freezing cold days with the doors open !!

Patio heaters! If it's too cold, go inside put a jumper/jacket/another layer on!

Edited for proper britishness.

[mybrainhurts]

durbster said:

robinessex said:

Pop over to here http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a... if you want. Durbster has started up again

Aw, asking the big boys to come and get me.

Don't underestimate yourself, you're a constant source of amusement and the lads just want a bit of light entertainment.

[Mr GrimNasty]

Given that the Podesta wikileaks confirm everything I/we ever said about the tactics/fraud/avoidance of data/trashing of people not 100% on side/binary argument/demonisaton as immoral of opponents/exploitation of weather events to fill media with climate change attribution scare stories/creating a socio-political movement to beat political opponents and achieve socialist policy implementation by avoidance of democratic process etc. etc. all there in the scum's own words from the heart of the Obama climate fraud machine push up to COP21........

Nothing Durbster ever says will ever matter again - it's not a conspiracy theory, it is indeed a very real and very broad scam.

And the real data still says there is no problem.

Various scientists/CAGW proponents have been challenged to come up with the 'proof', they all fail and go quiet - it's just puff.

[Otispunkmeyer]

This will be fun:

https://youtu.be/90CkXVF-Q8M

It's Leonardo DiCaprio's climate film. And the whole thing is up on YouTube. I suspect it's basically a propaganda movie. And Leo himself is hardly the authority figure, being as he his one of these dumb ass mega celebs who's blind to his own hypocrisy.

[Otispunkmeyer]

robinessex said:

Pop over to here http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a... if you want. Durbster has started up again, ignoring every single thing he's been challenged with here.

His 'evidence' is here:-

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-cli...

https://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscien...

Newscientist? almost the same as citing Wikipedia. You wouldn't dream of citing NS in a paper or PhD.

[durbster]

Otispunkmeyer said:

Newscientist? almost the same as citing Wikipedia. You wouldn't dream of citing NS in a paper or PhD.

Not sure why a paper would cite any magazine really, but anyway, please share a respected scientific publication or organisation that doesn't advovate AGW. I'm not aware of any.

[Jinx]

durbster said:

Not sure why a paper would cite any magazine really, but anyway, please share a respected scientific publication or organisation that doesn't advovate AGW. I'm not aware of any.

If it's an advocate it isn't Scientific.
QED

[turbobloke]

Jinx said:

durbster said:

Not sure why a paper would cite any magazine really, but anyway, please share a respected scientific publication or organisation that doesn't advovate AGW. I'm not aware of any.

If it's an advocate it isn't Scientific.
QED

Good point. Also, the last time that false claim (scientific institutions not supporting the hoax-myth-scam by taking a more balanced view) was trotted out, I listed getting on for a dozen.

• Non-governmental International Panel on Climate Change
• Centre for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change Science and Environmental Policy Project
• International Climate & Environmental Change Assessment Project
• International Arctic Research Centre
• Institute for Energy Research
• Centre on Climate and Environmental Policy
• Cato Institute
• Beacon Hill Institute of Suffolk University
• Société de Mathématiques Appliquées et Industrielles
• Space Research Laboratory Russian Academy of Science Pulkovo Observatory

IIRC durbster then trotted off to Grist/RealClimate/Desmog/SkepSci and possibly all four to dig 'right wing dirt' on as many as possible, failing badly. I omitted Heartland to save time, but it was still dragged in and we may yet get a repeat.

So durbster was indeed aware, back in March, but the key word will be "respected" which will translate as "respected by durbster".

What consensus? Etc.

[durbster]

Jinx said:

If it's an advocate it isn't Scientific.
QED

Damn.

I think you know what I meant.

turbobloke said:

...IIRC durbster then trotted off to Grist/RealClimate/Desmog/SkepSci and possibly all four to dig 'right wing dirt' on as many as possible, failing badly. I omitted Heartland to save time, but it was still dragged in and we may yet get a repeat.

Wow, how cutting... except none of that is true.

It's not necessary to visit any of those sites and I haven't spent any time on them. It's more useful to look up the people running those organisations and see where their interests lie or where their funding comes from. Most of them are the same people, or lead back to the same people.

And it was pretty clear that some of them don't actually back you up at all anyway, so the list is garbage. Which I'm pretty sure I've said every time you've posted it. From somebody who complains most about loops in this thread, you never miss an opportunity to trigger them.

Frankly, I wonder why are you posting it again when you clearly state that you already know it doesn't answer the question - a question intended for somebody else.