AirAsia QZ8501 Missing

[AyBee]

RYH64E said:

Have they found the other pieces of the plane yet? I thought they'd only found the tail section, and now the black boxes that were in the tail.

Appears to be under a large bit of plane (the wing) from what I've read.

[MitchT]

FDR has been recovered. Still looking for CVR.

[hidetheelephants]

Radio 4 news says they believe they know where the CVR is.

[AyBee]

hidetheelephants said:

Radio 4 news says they believe they know where the CVR is.

But can't get to it. Can't be long until they find the fuselage now.

[MitchT]

CVR has been recovered.

[Slartifartfast]

AyBee said:

But can't get to it. Can't be long until they find the fuselage now.

They've found that too.

[AyBee]

Slartifartfast said:

AyBee said:

But can't get to it. Can't be long until they find the fuselage now.

They've found that too.

Read that this morning but they said they weren't going to be raising it any time soon - any idea why?

[mini1380cc]

What is the reason for keeping it in water?

[Vipers]

L

mini1380cc said:

What is the reason for keeping it in water?

Guessing concern it may break up during the lift, as happened to the Aer Lingus Viscount off Ireland 1968, it was never recovered after that. Also they may want to remove the bodies before lifting.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aer_Lingus_Flight_7...

Edited by Vipers on Tuesday 13th January 10:31

[MitchT]

mini1380cc said:

What is the reason for keeping it in water?

If it's been submerged in sea (salt) water it's better to keep it in water (specifically fresh water) for transit to dilute the salt water that's got into the nooks and crannies and maybe even come into contact with the electrical innards. Taking it out of the water altogether will cause corrosion to set in and potentially put the recorder's contents in jeopardy, so they don't risk this happening sooner than it becomes absolutely necessary to remove it from water for examination to commence.

[Super Slo Mo]

MitchT said:

mini1380cc said:

What is the reason for keeping it in water?

If it's been submerged in sea (salt) water it's better to keep it in water (specifically fresh water) for transit to dilute the salt water that's got into the nooks and crannies and maybe even come into contact with the electrical innards. Taking it out of the water altogether will cause corrosion to set in and potentially put the recorder's contents in jeopardy, so they don't risk this happening sooner than it becomes absolutely necessary to remove it from water for examination to commence.

This seems plausible. My experience with salt water and electronics is that it doesn't take very long at all for corrosion to set in. Half a day of exposure after salt water immersion was enough to destroy or cause serious damage to some kit I was working on a few years back.

[hidetheelephants]

Vipers said:

L

mini1380cc said:

What is the reason for keeping it in water?

Guessing concern it may break up during the lift, as happened to the Aer Lingus Viscount off Ireland 1968, it was never recovered after that. Also they may want to remove the bodies before lifting.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aer_Lingus_Flight_7...

Waiting for salvage experts and/or proper lifting equipment? The TV footage of the recovery of the tail section was a good demonstration of how not to do it.

[onyx39]

MitchT said:

mini1380cc said:

What is the reason for keeping it in water?

If it's been submerged in sea (salt) water it's better to keep it in water (specifically fresh water) for transit to dilute the salt water that's got into the nooks and crannies and maybe even come into contact with the electrical innards. Taking it out of the water altogether will cause corrosion to set in and potentially put the recorder's contents in jeopardy, so they don't risk this happening sooner than it becomes absolutely necessary to remove it from water for examination to commence.

Isn't that what they did with the Mary Rose when they raised it?

[B17NNS]

onyx39 said:

Isn't that what they did with the Mary Rose when they raised it?

Don't think they ever found the black box did they?

[Vipers]

B17NNS said:

onyx39 said:

Isn't that what they did with the Mary Rose when they raised it?

Don't think they ever found the black box did they?

Maybe a ditty box or two

[oobster]

Perhaps I need a Woosh parrot here, but when mini1380cc responded to AyBee earlier this morning by asking "What is the reason for keeping it in water" I am assuming, possibly wrongly, that he is asking why the fuselage is being kept in the water.

I assume its because they want to recover the bodies from it before lifting the wreckage, and if the fuselage is (largely) intact then they'll need some fairly hefty lifting equipment brought it.

However, it seems several PH'ers have went off on a tangent and explained why the CVR and FDR are kept in water.

[TobyLaRohne]

Incidentally the first pics of the body of the plane have been published, at least they found it. Raising it will be secondary to recovery of the remains, personally in that part of the world I'd not like to be a recovery diver for fear of getting a chunk taken out of me by a shark!

[alfaman]

TobyLaRohne said:

Incidentally the first pics of the body of the plane have been published, at least they found it. Raising it will be secondary to recovery of the remains, personally in that part of the world I'd not like to be a recovery diver for fear of getting a chunk taken out of me by a shark!

Most sharks in riau are the friendly type...in my experience..

( not sure what effect the deceased would have on sharks though...)

[davepoth]

Assuming they can recover the bodies OK, they may be holding off on lifting it until the initial analysis of the black boxes has been done - there may well be no need to lift it at all.

[AyBee]

Climbed too fast...

Click me

Looks like an insane thing to attempt - will be interesting to know what discussions were being had in the cockpit at the time.