Is Cameron a chicken?

[Einion Yrth]

CoolHands said:

who gives a fk what a load of silly schoolboys want to yap about?

the political elite are all a bunch of self-serving wkers. I plan to spoil my vote as voting for any of them is a joke.

So is not voting for any of them; they continue to parasitise the public purse.

[jogon]

gregf40 said:

GDP and employment figures don't lie.

How come income tax returns are falling, wealth inequality is on the rise and weekly incomes in 2014-15 (£461) are still 2 per cent below the peak they reached in 2009-10 (£473).

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/comment...

[WestyCarl]

jogon said:

gregf40 said:

GDP and employment figures don't lie.

How come income tax returns are falling, wealth inequality is on the rise and weekly incomes in 2014-15 (£461) are still 2 per cent below the peak they reached in 2009-10 (£473).

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/comment...

You nicely ignored the question though about GDP and employment

[jogon]

WestyCarl said:

You nicely ignored the question though about GDP and employment

Is that GDP as a percentage of the population or just the general GDP? As for unemployment figures if you consider lots on zero hours contracts and people self employed but not actually working to milk the benefit system a success then fair enough.

But why does the number of NEETs continue to rise?

[anonymous-user]

Yazar said:

Greg66 said:

I could not give a fk what Ofcom says. A party with two MPs, and limited prospects of improving on that number in May, is not a "major party" no matter how much one squeezes one's eyes shut and wishes hard.

I want to hear - and I want others to hear - what the leaders of the parties who have genuine prospects of forming the next Government have to say for themselves.

Farage is not in that group. By a country mile.

So rather than accepting a decision made by examining the same criterias that are set for all parties, you think you know best.

Instead of throwing your toys out of the pram, why don't you go and read the actual reasoning on the Ofcom site and then say exactly what you see wrong with them?

A decision you say?

You do know, I take it, that Ofcom is currently consulting on whether UKIP should be classified as a major party for the GE, don't you? It has not made any decision yet. It is still consulting.

And part of that consultation process will involve it receiving views which will no doubt disagree with the claim that UKIP is a "major" party. But I suppose you think that when views are expressly invited, anyone who offers disagreement is a person who "thinks they know best".

I got that from reading the "actual reasoning" on Ofcom's site. And for what it is worth, I think the reasoning in para 2.18 of Ofcom's consultation paper is frankly piss poor. It's here: http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/binaries/consulta...

What did you get, when you read Ofcom's site?

You did read it, didn't you?

[anonymous-user]

jogon said:

gregf40 said:

jogon said:

I couldn't care less he is weak, spineless, deceitful and has shown at times a level of immaturity not really fit for a head of state.

...and yet the country is in a far better state than it was when they came into power. You'd almost think he knows what he's doing...

Says the man with supposedly an F40, two GTRs, RS6 etc ask anyone else in the other 99% and you will get a different answer.

Are you genuinely saying the country is in a worse state than it was in 2010?

By what criteria, and what evidence supports this claim?

[ukwill]

jogon said:

Says the man with supposedly an F40, two GTRs, RS6 etc ask anyone else in the other 99% and you will get a different answer.

Your list is a typical CIF effort. It's the kind of thing an activist sits in their bedroom furiously scribbling down without a care as to the veracity of it - much like the content of the greenbenches website then.

Besides which, we all know how the last govt handled the "1%". And Miliband was a Minister in that Govt.

Personally I'm bored of all this st - I want Labour to win the election in May, but purely so they have to make the "Cuts worse than Thatcher" that they were planning to do, had they won the last election. Blaming the current lot for the pain that goes with reductions in public borrowing is so utterly facile.

[Foliage]

Tyre Tread said:

Politicians are regularly involved in mass debates. Indeed I think it is widely accepted that they are mostly mass debaters although I think the terminology used may be slightly different.

Your a very cunning linguist

[jogon]

Greg66 said:

Are you genuinely saying the country is in a worse state than it was in 2010?

By what criteria, and what evidence supports this claim?

As stated above weekly incomes are still 2% below what they were in 2009-2010. We have fewer police, an army decimated to levels not seen in the past two centuries, NEETs are still rising, schools, hospitals, public services and infrastructure are at breaking point all thanks to the non stop tide of immigrants arriving on our shores.

But yay house prices have risen to such an extent it has pretty much priced out an entire generation of ever owning their own home.

[Yazar]

Greg66 said:

A decision you say?

You do know, I take it, that Ofcom is currently consulting on whether UKIP should be classified as a major party for the GE, don't you? It has not made any decision yet. It is still consulting.

And part of that consultation process will involve it receiving views which will no doubt disagree with the claim that UKIP is a "major" party. But I suppose you think that when views are expressly invited, anyone who offers disagreement is a person who "thinks they know best".

I got that from reading the "actual reasoning" on Ofcom's site. And for what it is worth, I think the reasoning in para 2.18 of Ofcom's consultation paper is frankly piss poor. It's here: http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/binaries/consulta...

What did you get, when you read Ofcom's site?

You did read it, didn't you?

Yes, if you look at the day of the media relase, you will find a PH thread with myself referring to a link to an document that actually works (yours is failing). So won't go into it again!

We both know that Ofcom has made its decision, and by the rules.

The consultation 'after their decision' is a formal process merely as a safeguard, it is their to challenge incase Ofcom not applying the rules properly.

So as it is a 99.99% probability of this not changing post an arbitrary no of weeks of feedback, UKIP is a major party for the GE2015 so any opinions to the contrary from any lone internetters are insignificant.

p.s. Have you gave your feedback to them, as Im sure being 'piss poor' means you will get it overturned

Edited by Yazar on Thursday 5th March 13:58

[silverous]

jogon said:

How come income tax returns are falling, wealth inequality is on the rise and weekly incomes in 2014-15 (£461) are still 2 per cent below the peak they reached in 2009-10 (£473).

Think not how come they are still 2 per cent below the peak but be thankful that they are not massively below the peak.
You expect to see tax returns increase? I would have thought most people would say that the tax inflows to government should be lower.
I can't believe that labour (assuming for a moment they would be your preferred alternative) would have done a better job with the economy, depending on who you believe and your credentials as an economist I'd say that they messed it up last time round.
At the end of the day, it is somewhat futile arguing about the best government as the different parties have different philisophies that, however much they and we gloss over it, will benefit different groups of people so essentially if you want one government that's best for everyone it ain't gonna happen. We may as well debate which group of people we are in, and that never ends well.

[Adrian W]

The TV companies should announce the time and place for the debates, anyone who does not show has bottled out.

Easy

[Bill]

jogon said:

As stated above weekly incomes are still 2% below what they were in 2009-2010. We have fewer police, an army decimated to levels not seen in the past two centuries, NEETs are still rising, schools, hospitals, public services and infrastructure are at breaking point all thanks to the non stop tide of immigrants arriving on our shores.

But yay house prices have risen to such an extent it has pretty much priced out an entire generation of ever owning their own home.

What, all?? Or do you think there might be a few other factors involved?

[easytiger123]

Adrian W said:

The TV companies should announce the time and place for the debates, anyone who does not show has bottled out.

Easy

I couldn't disagree more. There's an entire thread on PH devoted to the left-wing bias of the BBC, and you want them to be allowed to set the agenda here? Cameron has gone up in my estimation by having the balls to stand up to the TV companies and refusing to take part in the circus they'd dearly love to see. I think he could knock Milliband and the rest into a cocked hat in a fair debate and does so on a regular basis during PMQT, but he's just not going to allow himself to be manipulated into whatever situation some massively biased TV people want to put him in. He's no dummy, and definitely no chicken.

[anonymous-user]

Yazar said:

We both know that Ofcom has made its decision, and by the rules.

You might know that, but Ofcom doesn't. And nor do I. And nor does anyone who can read.

http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/consultations/maj...

What Ofcom says in its Consultation Paper: "This document is a consultation regarding the composition of the Ofcom list of ‘major parties’ in advance of the General Election taking place in May 2015 and the English local (and mayoral) elections taking place on the same day.

The list of major parties reflects the fact that some political parties have a significant level of electoral support, and a number of elected representatives, across a range of elections within the UK or the devolved nations.

The Ofcom list of major parties is important because our rules on Party Political and Referendum Broadcasts (“the PPRB Rules”) and certain parts of the Broadcasting Code (“the Code”) impose obligations on licensed broadcasters by reference to the major parties on this list.

Specifically, the PPRB rules require certain licensed broadcasters to offer a minimum of two party election broadcasts to major parties. Section Six of the Code requires broadcasters in their editorial coverage to give “due weight” to coverage of the major parties.

In this document we present and consider the available evidence and make proposals in relation to the composition of the list."

Para A4.22 of Ofcom's Consultation paper: "Following the end of the consultation period, Ofcom intends to publish a statement setting out our decision on the issues in this consultation in early March 2015."

Are you saying Ofcom is simply going through the motions now, in consulting stakeholders?

[Mermaid]

Bill said:

jogon said:

As stated above weekly incomes are still 2% below what they were in 2009-2010. We have fewer police, an army decimated to levels not seen in the past two centuries, NEETs are still rising, schools, hospitals, public services and infrastructure are at breaking point all thanks to the non stop tide of immigrants arriving on our shores.

But yay house prices have risen to such an extent it has pretty much priced out an entire generation of ever owning their own home.

What, all?? Or do you think there might be a few other factors involved?

Many, many others.

[anonymous-user]

jogon said:

As stated above weekly incomes are still 2% below what they were in 2009-2010. We have fewer police, an army decimated to levels not seen in the past two centuries, NEETs are still rising, schools, hospitals, public services and infrastructure are at breaking point all thanks to the non stop tide of immigrants arriving on our shores.

But yay house prices have risen to such an extent it has pretty much priced out an entire generation of ever owning their own home.

Wow. Do you ever find yourself torn between wanting to lap up Labour's press releases or UKIP's first? Or is it straight to the Daily Express?

[Bill]

Mermaid said:

Many, many others.

No st.

[Johnnytheboy]

jogon said:

Anyhow back to Dave and some of his finest moments during his tenure..

...

The list goes on.

But, Ed Miliband.

/thread

[jogon]

Greg66 said:

Wow. Do you ever find yourself torn between wanting to lap up Labour's press releases or UKIP's first? Or is it straight to the Daily Express?

You wanted evidence I gave you it. All you have is insults which I can't be arsed rising too. Anyhow Labour have their own problems mainly been SNP and UKIP in the North.

The continual attack articles on UKIP in all the major papers day in day out, another bias documentary on C5 last night (3rd in just over a week), continuous accusations of racism while been interviewed on ITV Day Break yesterday morning, dealt with superbly by Nigel I might add. Leads to me the conclusion the two main parties are absolutely stting themselves.

Dave's no show in these debates just goes to show it.