Is Cameron a chicken?
Poll: Is Cameron a chicken?
Total Members Polled: 448
Discussion
tting themselves. 
jogon said:
As stated above weekly incomes are still 2% below what they were in 2009-2010. We have fewer police, an army decimated to levels not seen in the past two centuries, NEETs are still rising, schools, hospitals, public services and infrastructure are at breaking point all thanks to the non stop tide of immigrants arriving on our shores.
But yay house prices have risen to such an extent it has pretty much priced out an entire generation of ever owning their own home.
Ahh, your veil has slipped But yay house prices have risen to such an extent it has pretty much priced out an entire generation of ever owning their own home.
gregf40 said:
...and yet the country is in a far better state than it was when they came into power. You'd almost think he knows what he's doing...
Let's hope you don't need an ambulance, Police, the Fire Brigade, Probation service, Coastguard or Prison Officer then. However if you're a director of Serco or G4S you are safe in the knowledge you can commit fraud to the tune of hundreds of millions and you'll still get awarded contracts to 'look after' those in the Criminal Justice system. (Of course having family and friends of Cabinet Ministers in the company always helps).I had never voted anything but Tory (I am ashamed to admit I even voted for Cameron). But the lies, corruption and devastation wrought upon this country by the present incumbents under the guise of austerity (while spunking away billions on their own vanity projects and incompetence) is mind boggling.
I shudder at the thought of Miliband being in No 10. But this current bunch are at the top of the pile when it comes to lies, misinformation and plain old deceit. They need kicking out and putting in the scrap bin in the hope that we can get back to having someone with a bit of integrity leading the Tory party. No one in any of the current top Ministerial positions would qualify. A huge broom is needed. Cameron and his ilk need depositing in the nearest cess pit to swim amongst their own kind.
Greg66 said:
Are you saying Ofcom is simply going through the motions now, in consulting stakeholders?
Yes.I live in the real world, where high profile decisions taken by large bodies are thoroughly scrutinised by their legal counsel prior to them being published.
Ofcom has made a 'recommendation' based on all available information. They are now saying "do you think we are wrong", if so why?
It is a period to challenge their conclusion as opposed to a pre-decision consultation. And no one likes to be wrong, now do they?
ofcom said:
Taking together all the evidence, the criteria suggest that UKIP has sufficiently demonstrated evidence of past electoral support and current support to qualify for major party status in England and Wales for the purposes of the General Election and English local(and mayoral) elections in May 2015.
Question 2:
Do you agree with our assessment... Please provide reasons for your views.
Question 2:
Do you agree with our assessment... Please provide reasons for your views.
Edited by Yazar on Thursday 5th March 14:43
easytiger123 said:
Adrian W said:
The TV companies should announce the time and place for the debates, anyone who does not show has bottled out.
Easy
I couldn't disagree more. There's an entire thread on PH devoted to the left-wing bias of the BBC, and you want them to be allowed to set the agenda here? Cameron has gone up in my estimation by having the balls to stand up to the TV companies and refusing to take part in the circus they'd dearly love to see. I think he could knock Milliband and the rest into a cocked hat in a fair debate and does so on a regular basis during PMQT, but he's just not going to allow himself to be manipulated into whatever situation some massively biased TV people want to put him in. He's no dummy, and definitely no chicken. Easy
Elroy Blue said:
gregf40 said:
...and yet the country is in a far better state than it was when they came into power. You'd almost think he knows what he's doing...
Let's hope you don't need an ambulance, Police, the Fire Brigade, Probation service, Coastguard or Prison Officer then.My family have used the NHS extensively over the last 3 years and it has been nothing short of fantastic.
Every single person I have spoken to with first hand experience of the NHS can't fault it.
gregf40 said:
Do you have any first hand experience of anything negative from these services? Or is it just what you read?
My family have used the NHS extensively over the last 3 years and it has been nothing short of fantastic.
Every single person I have spoken to with first hand experience of the NHS can't fault it.
For the first time in over 20yrs of service, the last 2yrs have seen me and others taking injured people to hospital in the back of Police cars because of cuts to the ambulance service. My family have used the NHS extensively over the last 3 years and it has been nothing short of fantastic.
Every single person I have spoken to with first hand experience of the NHS can't fault it.
50% cuts to dog handlers
50% cuts to Police air support
40% cuts to Roads Policing
Police cars now at 200'000miles because they can't replace them
Equipment falling apart because they can't afford to replace it
32 Stations closed in my Force alone.
Forensic Science privatised. Prices for examination now so high we cannot get 'routine' evidence examined.
Ambulance service is way past breaking point, it's broken.
Probation service in melt down. (Privatisation is working so well there)
Majority of Coast Guard stations closed.
So many Prison Officers made redundant, prisons effectively stopped functioning. Government desperately trying to paper over the cracks there.
You have had excellent service on the NHS, because the staff, like many other much maligned and vilified workers in the public sector keep the bloody wheel on through hard work and dedication to their job.
If the Tory party stood up and said we've made large cuts, it will affect the ability of these organisations to do the job they did previously, but we want the money elsewhere, I could almost respect them for standing by their decisions. But they don't. They are Politicians so they tell the most blatant, bare faced lies I've ever witnessed a Government come out with. If they win another term and carry out the further cuts they have planned, particular to the emergency services and armed forces, then there will be serious repercussions for the general public as a whole. Sadly, they will continue to stand up and state everything is fine, while hiding behind their big, iron gates.
Yazar said:
Greg66 said:
Are you saying Ofcom is simply going through the motions now, in consulting stakeholders?
Yes.I live in the real world, where high profile decisions taken by large bodies are thoroughly scrutinised by their legal counsel prior to them being published.
Ofcom has made a 'recommendation' based on all available information. They are now saying "do you think we are wrong", if so why?
It is a period to challenge their conclusion as opposed to a pre-decision consultation.
It is a pre-decision consultation. Read this: http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/consultations/how... That makes it clear that decisions follow consultations. Not the other way round.
Necessarily, on your argument, a "recommendation" cannot have been made "based on all available evidence", because the consultation is intended to elicit evidence.
This really isn't difficult.
Elroy Blue said:
gregf40 said:
Do you have any first hand experience of anything negative from these services? Or is it just what you read?
My family have used the NHS extensively over the last 3 years and it has been nothing short of fantastic.
Every single person I have spoken to with first hand experience of the NHS can't fault it.
For the first time in over 20yrs of service, the last 2yrs have seen me and others taking injured people to hospital in the back of Police cars because of cuts to the ambulance service. My family have used the NHS extensively over the last 3 years and it has been nothing short of fantastic.
Every single person I have spoken to with first hand experience of the NHS can't fault it.
50% cuts to dog handlers
50% cuts to Police air support
40% cuts to Roads Policing
Police cars now at 200'000miles because they can't replace them
Equipment falling apart because they can't afford to replace it
32 Stations closed in my Force alone.
Forensic Science privatised. Prices for examination now so high we cannot get 'routine' evidence examined.
Ambulance service is way past breaking point, it's broken.
Probation service in melt down. (Privatisation is working so well there)
Majority of Coast Guard stations closed.
So many Prison Officers made redundant, prisons effectively stopped functioning. Government desperately trying to paper over the cracks there.
You have had excellent service on the NHS, because the staff, like many other much maligned and vilified workers in the public sector keep the bloody wheel on through hard work and dedication to their job.
If the Tory party stood up and said we've made large cuts, it will affect the ability of these organisations to do the job they did previously, but we want the money elsewhere, I could almost respect them for standing by their decisions. But they don't. They are Politicians so they tell the most blatant, bare faced lies I've ever witnessed a Government come out with. If they win another term and carry out the further cuts they have planned, particular to the emergency services and armed forces, then there will be serious repercussions for the general public as a whole. Sadly, they will continue to stand up and state everything is fine, while hiding behind their big, iron gates.
Soov535 said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
Soov535 said:
Precisely this.
The establishment are beside themselves with panic.
The thing is the more they smear Farage, the more people love him.
has any other leader been examined as much as Farage.The establishment are beside themselves with panic.
The thing is the more they smear Farage, the more people love him.
First law of journalism: what newspapers feel they have helped to build, they may tear down whenever it suits them.
Greg66 said:
No. I will give you a shiny penny for every instance of the word "recommendation" in the Consultation Paper. That will cost me exactly no pence.
It is a pre-decision consultation. Read this: http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/consultations/how... That makes it clear that decisions follow consultations. Not the other way round.
Necessarily, on your argument, a "recommendation" cannot have been made "based on all available evidence", because the consultation is intended to elicit evidence.
This really isn't difficult.
So let me get this straight, Ofcom explicitly listed bullet points of the reasons why UKIP is judged a major party, and you think someone is going to come out of the woodwork and say "you forgot a bit?It is a pre-decision consultation. Read this: http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/consultations/how... That makes it clear that decisions follow consultations. Not the other way round.
Necessarily, on your argument, a "recommendation" cannot have been made "based on all available evidence", because the consultation is intended to elicit evidence.
This really isn't difficult.
This is not some elaborate investigation into a Banks shady dealings that needs whistle blowers and corporate emails seized, its a political party with election results and independent polls.
All stats are public. How did it do in EU elections,recent by-elections, how did it do in the current polls by multiple pollsters. Is it significant in Wales and so on.
It is very straight forward so not sure why you argue againt? The only challenges will be to any borderline decision, but UKIP are way over the line.
If you want to stick to "but the procedure is this", than fair enough. Anti-UKIPers will off course point to the 2010 election, ignoring the clear and sizable difference in the parties achievements since then.
johnxjsc1985 said:
Soov535 said:
Precisely this.
The establishment are beside themselves with panic.
The thing is the more they smear Farage, the more people love him.
has any other leader been examined as much as Farage.The establishment are beside themselves with panic.
The thing is the more they smear Farage, the more people love him.
Has anyone combed through an entire parties candidates/members to find each and every nutter before - probably not.
jogon said:
Anyhow back to Dave and some of his finest moments during his tenure..
1) Cameron reveals in parliament that he is actually in full support of Britain surrendering sovereignty to the EU despite positioning himself as a Eurosceptic in order to secure his position as Toryparty leader.
2) Fails to deliver an in/out referendum in this parliament despite repeatedly stating he would do so prior to the general election. Actually whips his MPs to block independent efforts to legislate for a referendum in this parliament.
3) Cuts spending on essential domestic services and benefits , increases overseas aid and EU contributions to levels that negate these cuts.
4) Latest figures indicated around 500 000 immigrants entered the UK in 2013, he promised to reduce this number to tens of thousands each year.
Allows uncontrolled EU immigration including Romanian and Bulgarian Roma criminals. A convicted Latvian murderer being the chief suspect in the murder of a little English girl being amongst the most recent highlights.
5) Continues to allow thousands of dangerous criminals and terrorists to reside in the UK thanks to our subservience to the ECHR
6) Increases national debt to in excess of £1.4 trillion, up from £0.8 trillion. Oversees
fall in income tax revenue despite having an open door immigration policy.
7) Reneges on the £1 million inheritance tax threshold rise that was promised.
8) Fails to prosecute any party in relation to numerous banking scandals, Libor, PPI etc
9) Introduces gay marriage despite stating he would not do so prior to the election.
10) Lobbying scandal,
access to Cameron for £250 000 in order to put policy suggestions direct to PM.
11) The continuation of the green energy scam, which incidentally his father in law is a beneficiary to the tune of £350 000 per year.
12) Allows geriatric Vince Cable to sell Royal Mail off at a level that was billions below true market value.
13) HS2 debacle.
14) Shows his total indifference to justice regarding the Maria Miller expenses scandal.
15) Failure to investigate the MP child rapsit scandal promptly?
16) Destroys £6 billion fleet of brand new Nimrod aircraft in order to save £1.9billion of running costs over ten years rendering the UK vulnerable to a host of maritime
threats.
17) Sells our entire harrier fleet to the Americans for £100 million after they have just
undergone a £600 million upgrade, eliminating our at sea fast jet capability.
18) Thousands of British troops given warning of redundancy whist still fighting in Afghanistan.
19) Military strength is cut to its lowest level since 1853 .
20) Launches a military offensive against Libya, a country that poses no threat to the UK. This action strengthens
the position of fundamentalist Islamists.
21) Attempts to launch a military offensive against Assad's Syrian forces before weapons inspectors have confirmed the use of chemical weapons or identified the party responsible for their use. This action would have strengthened the position of
fundamentalist Islamists.
The list goes on.
I am no fan of CMD but my god what a post let me answer the questions:1) Cameron reveals in parliament that he is actually in full support of Britain surrendering sovereignty to the EU despite positioning himself as a Eurosceptic in order to secure his position as Toryparty leader.
2) Fails to deliver an in/out referendum in this parliament despite repeatedly stating he would do so prior to the general election. Actually whips his MPs to block independent efforts to legislate for a referendum in this parliament.
3) Cuts spending on essential domestic services and benefits , increases overseas aid and EU contributions to levels that negate these cuts.
4) Latest figures indicated around 500 000 immigrants entered the UK in 2013, he promised to reduce this number to tens of thousands each year.
Allows uncontrolled EU immigration including Romanian and Bulgarian Roma criminals. A convicted Latvian murderer being the chief suspect in the murder of a little English girl being amongst the most recent highlights.
5) Continues to allow thousands of dangerous criminals and terrorists to reside in the UK thanks to our subservience to the ECHR
6) Increases national debt to in excess of £1.4 trillion, up from £0.8 trillion. Oversees
fall in income tax revenue despite having an open door immigration policy.
7) Reneges on the £1 million inheritance tax threshold rise that was promised.
8) Fails to prosecute any party in relation to numerous banking scandals, Libor, PPI etc
9) Introduces gay marriage despite stating he would not do so prior to the election.
10) Lobbying scandal,
access to Cameron for £250 000 in order to put policy suggestions direct to PM.
11) The continuation of the green energy scam, which incidentally his father in law is a beneficiary to the tune of £350 000 per year.
12) Allows geriatric Vince Cable to sell Royal Mail off at a level that was billions below true market value.
13) HS2 debacle.
14) Shows his total indifference to justice regarding the Maria Miller expenses scandal.
15) Failure to investigate the MP child rapsit scandal promptly?
16) Destroys £6 billion fleet of brand new Nimrod aircraft in order to save £1.9billion of running costs over ten years rendering the UK vulnerable to a host of maritime
threats.
17) Sells our entire harrier fleet to the Americans for £100 million after they have just
undergone a £600 million upgrade, eliminating our at sea fast jet capability.
18) Thousands of British troops given warning of redundancy whist still fighting in Afghanistan.
19) Military strength is cut to its lowest level since 1853 .
20) Launches a military offensive against Libya, a country that poses no threat to the UK. This action strengthens
the position of fundamentalist Islamists.
21) Attempts to launch a military offensive against Assad's Syrian forces before weapons inspectors have confirmed the use of chemical weapons or identified the party responsible for their use. This action would have strengthened the position of
fundamentalist Islamists.
The list goes on.
1. No he did not.
2. He never promised an in/out referendum in this parliament.
3. He made cuts because of the deficit. He did not increase contributions to the EU that was Labour. He did increase overseas aid. First one right.
4. No he promised to reduce net migration not total migration. The terms of the assertion of Romania and Bulgaria where agreed by Labour.
5. So changing the ECHR is very complex.
6. So without the cuts you condemn in 3 above this would be worst. Also Tax revenues, excluding CGT are now rising again. Did you not understand we had a rescission?
7. Second one right.
8. Prosecution are nothing to do with the PM.
9. I can find no evidence of such a promise.
10. Policy suggestions are just that. Suggestions.
11. Third one right.
12. Correct on Vince but how do you what true market value was? Are you god? Did I miss something?
13. What debacle. I may disagree with it but I can see why others support it.
14. I disagree.
15. When did the PM head up the Police?
16. That's actually just rubbish.
17. Since we had no where to put them what should he do with them.
18. I think you will find that was an MOD error and nothing to do with the PM.
19. Heard of the deficit.
20. I did not agree with the attacks but nor do we know it strengthened the hand of the fundamentalists.
21. I believe his position was wrong and he lost the vote and moved on.
Some people just hate CMD. its odd as his popularity in polls is high.
jogon said:
gregf40 said:
You conveniently forget to mention he was in a coalition with the Lib-Dems.
I couldn't care less he is weak, spineless, deceitful and has shown at times a level of immaturity not really fit for a head of state. Pot and kettle come to mind.
WestyCarl said:
So, without these cuts and the savings made, where do you think the economy would be now, in a better or worse place?
Yours is the stock answer when you want to avoid acknowledging the damage that has been done to essential services in this country. Nobody disputed savings were necessary and unavoidable, but they've gone far beyond what is sustainable in many areas. I don't know where the economy would be. What I do know is that we've got a Chancellor that stands up and lies about getting a rebate from the EU, lies about halving the deficit, lies about the cost of servicing Government debt amongst many others. So what state is the economy actually in? The fact is that this Government have failed to achieve any of their 'judge me in five years' targets that they assured us would be worth the pain. Cameron doesn't want to stand up in front of the country and give an explanation for his failure. He knows he can't paper over abject failure. His only saving grace was that Miliband is such an appalling public speaker. The fact that he thinks he'll lose against such a comic book character as Miliband, shows just how bad things are.
WestyCarl said:
So, without these cuts and the savings made, where do you think the economy would be now, in a better or worse place?
Yup, all about the short term economical success picture! As ever in the UK.Rather they had spent the cash to train more UK nurses (training places vastly over subscribed) than save cash by holding recruitment fairs to bring them in from Portugal...
Same with doctors and so on.
Yazar said:
WestyCarl said:
So, without these cuts and the savings made, where do you think the economy would be now, in a better or worse place?
Yup, all about the short term economical success picture! As ever in the UK.Rather they had spent the cash to train more UK nurses (training places vastly over subscribed) than save cash by holding recruitment fairs to bring them in from Portugal...
Same with doctors and so on.
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