Is Cameron a chicken?

Poll: Is Cameron a chicken?

Total Members Polled: 448

Yes, 100% clucker: 68%
Not so sure?: 13%
No, he's a 100% standup guy: 19%
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WestyCarl

3,217 posts

124 months

Thursday 5th March 2015
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Elroy Blue said:
WestyCarl said:
So, without these cuts and the savings made, where do you think the economy would be now, in a better or worse place?
Yours is the stock answer when you want to avoid acknowledging the damage that has been done to essential services in this country. Nobody disputed savings were necessary and unavoidable, but they've gone far beyond what is sustainable in many areas. I don't know where the economy would be.
But despite the cuts the country is still spending £100 billion per year more than it's earning, the cuts have reduced this form £150 billion in 2009

The interest alone on our national debt £50 billion / yr eek

So do you believe we should have continued spending at the previous rate and watch the debt / interest payments increase?

Snozzwangler

12,230 posts

193 months

Thursday 5th March 2015
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Its a valid point, which can't be ignored.

We're still running the country on credit, although less than we were burning through.

Esseesse

8,969 posts

207 months

Thursday 5th March 2015
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oyster said:
Can't understand the hatred for Cameron on PH. The election is a 2 horse race, only 1 of 2 people will be PM.

Here's news for you kippers:

Farage will NOT be PM.
If enough people vote UKIP to enable a Labour majority then we will be in the EU for another 5 years. And immigration will increase.

Or perhaps an even worse scenario - a Labour/SNP coalition. Not only will that be fiercely pro-European and pro immigration, but they will actively seek to take even more money from UKIP-leaning constitiencies to handover to Scotland.

But it's ok, because you will have registered your protest and vented your anger at foreigners being here.


I bet you still end up blaming Cameron.
You don't have to be a kipper to dislike Cameron, just a conservative.

I think Mr Hitchens sums up the feelings of those wavering conservatives that post their dislike for Mr Cameron on PH (I remember not so long ago when PH was rabidly pro-Tory).

This is from 2010, but still relevant today IMO (and re-enforced by what we have seen in this parliament, some of which was posted above by another poster)...

This is the most important article I’ve ever written – and loyal Conservative voters will hate me for it
The Charge Sheet against the Tories

For anyone who considers themselves a conservative but dislikes the modern Tory party, I urge you to read/listen to Peter Hitchens' position, which you may find well articulates your own.

Johnnytheboy

24,498 posts

185 months

Thursday 5th March 2015
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I can't say I like David Cameron, but he's a far better bet than the alternative, which would be funny if it wasn't so scary.

Yazar

1,476 posts

119 months

Thursday 5th March 2015
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oyster said:
Why would you want to spend MORE taxpayers money when you can take ready-skilled workers who can do the job just as well ( if not better given they have experience as well as skill)?
Foreign doctors are worse than Brit doctors (fact).
Foreign NHS EU staff in general have a known language problem- we were not allowed to blanket test their english skills and ended up screwed. We are currently in talks with the EU to address this.
Stealing nurses from 3rd world countries where they are needed is quite frankly disgusting.
Those Brits we don't train up, may well end up on the dole costing in benefits.
and so on.

Your comment is typical of the 'See myself as a globalised citizen/eu citizen/GDP is everything brigade. Why care about your fellow countryman when you can save 5p here and there!

Esseesse

8,969 posts

207 months

Thursday 5th March 2015
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Yazar said:
oyster said:
Why would you want to spend MORE taxpayers money when you can take ready-skilled workers who can do the job just as well ( if not better given they have experience as well as skill)?
Foreign doctors are worse than Brit doctors (fact).
Foreign NHS EU staff in general have a known language problem- we were not allowed to blanket test their english skills and ended up screwed. We are currently in talks with the EU to address this.
Stealing nurses from 3rd world countries where they are needed is quite frankly disgusting.
Those Brits we don't train up, may well end up on the dole costing in benefits.
and so on.

Your comment is typical of the 'See myself as a globalised citizen/eu citizen/GDP is everything brigade. Why care about your fellow countryman when you can save 5p here and there!
+1

"Why help British industry when I can save 5p by buying foreign" etc

I get the impression that people used to come from abroad to the UK to be trained as doctors and nurses to work in their home country. We used to export them. How we have fallen.

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 5th March 2015
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Yazar said:
Foreign doctors are worse than Brit doctors (fact).
Quoted for posterity.

It's like reading Viz in here some days. And not in a good way.

Mrr T

12,151 posts

264 months

Thursday 5th March 2015
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Yazar said:
Foreign NHS EU staff in general have a known language problem- we were not allowed to blanket test their english skills and ended up screwed. We are currently in talks with the EU to address this.
There has never been any reason the NHS cannot carry out language tests on foreign Doctors and Nurses. If there is a problem of languauge in the NHS, and I do not know, the reason is NHS management incompetence.

As for us negotiating with the EU to carry out such tests, you really are so wrong.

Its the EU which is forcing the NHS to carry out such tests and setting national language competency tests for Doctors and Nurses.

Elroy Blue

8,686 posts

191 months

Thursday 5th March 2015
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WestyCarl said:
But despite the cuts the country is still spending £100 billion per year more than it's earning, the cuts have reduced this form £150 billion in 2009

The interest alone on our national debt £50 billion / yr eek

So do you believe we should have continued spending at the previous rate and watch the debt / interest payments increase?
Did you actually read anything I typed. Our emergency services have been cut beyond anything that is sustainable. The amount cut from the Police is £1 billion pounds so far. The impact of this is having a massive, massive effect. At the same time £1 billion was spent in eight weeks to meet the new Overseas corruption budget.

Perhaps they should prioritise the money that is available, rather than lying with their constant 'the frontline is not affected' bullst.

Yazar

1,476 posts

119 months

Thursday 5th March 2015
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Greg66 said:
Yazar said:
Foreign doctors are worse than Brit doctors (fact).
Quoted for posterity.

It's like reading Viz in here some days. And not in a good way.
Quoted for posterity too - Once again Gregg66 posts rubbish without any facts to back him up. hehe lots of info out there if you just look Gregg, rather than the "none of my family have experienced it" line you trot out... wink

I state again, the average Brit doctor is BETTER than the average foreign doctor.

UCL study: Foreign doctors should face tougher exams & half of foreign doctors are below British standards
Majority of UK doctors struck off have been trained abroad

p.s. Tougher language checks for European doctors are due to come into force this summer. Im sure there was no need for this and is just being done for a laugh.

Yazar

1,476 posts

119 months

Thursday 5th March 2015
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Mrr T said:
Yazar said:
Foreign NHS EU staff in general have a known language problem- we were not allowed to blanket test their english skills and ended up screwed. We are currently in talks with the EU to address this.
There has never been any reason the NHS cannot carry out language tests on foreign Doctors and Nurses. If there is a problem of languauge in the NHS, and I do not know, the reason is NHS management incompetence.

As for us negotiating with the EU to carry out such tests, you really are so wrong.

Its the EU which is forcing the NHS to carry out such tests and setting national language competency tests for Doctors and Nurses.
Why,


Why



WHY???


WHY????? do you lot keep posting crap without any facts to back it up (yes, because you know that it cannot be backed up...)


It is a FACT that the EU wouldn't let us, we had to go back and negotiate it. Anything else is a lie...

Nurses said:
Nurses from the European Union will for the first time have their language skills checked before working for the NHS, ministers will announce

It will finally overturn a loophole in the law which saw Brussels block the move, claiming it would infringe strict EU rules on the freedom of movement of workers.

Healthcare regulators are already allowed to carry out language tests on staff trained outside the EU – but have been prevented from doing the same for those from the continent because of EU rules.

The Department of Health said: ‘Regulatory bodies such as the Nursing and Midwifery Council already carry out rigorous language testing of foreign healthcare professionals from outside the EU, so it makes sense to allow regulatory bodies to check applicants from inside the EU also.’
http://www.nursingworldnigeria.com/2015/01/every-foreign-nursing-recruit-to-nhs-will-have-to-take-an-english-test

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 5th March 2015
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Yazar said:
Greg66 said:
Yazar said:
Foreign doctors are worse than Brit doctors (fact).
Quoted for posterity.

It's like reading Viz in here some days. And not in a good way.
I state again, the average Brit doctor is BETTER than the average foreign doctor.
Again? Was "average" written in really really tiny letters first time around?

You need to work on the accuracy of your expression, in a number of ways.

Yazar

1,476 posts

119 months

Thursday 5th March 2015
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Greg66 said:
Again? Was "average" written in really really tiny letters first time around?

You need to work on the accuracy of your expression, in a number of ways.
Yeah, yeah. Worm out of it!! tongue out

The essential meaning is the same, that if you get to hospital and see a foreign doctor, chances are that he will be 'worse' than a Brit Doctor.

The NHS is overworked so our own doctors are quitting to move to Australia. And the 'migrants are the answer to everything, Brits are lazy' lot are in charge.

Hence vote UKIP!

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 5th March 2015
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Yazar said:
Yeah, yeah. Worm out of it!! tongue out
Ironic, in the circumstances!

Scuffers

Original Poster:

20,887 posts

273 months

Thursday 5th March 2015
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Yazar said:
Greg66 said:
Again? Was "average" written in really really tiny letters first time around?

You need to work on the accuracy of your expression, in a number of ways.
Yeah, yeah. Worm out of it!! tongue out

The essential meaning is the same, that if you get to hospital and see a foreign doctor, chances are that he will be 'worse' than a Brit Doctor.

The NHS is overworked so our own doctors are quitting to move to Australia. And the 'migrants are the answer to everything, Brits are lazy' lot are in charge.

Hence vote UKIP!
Exactly,

Our highly skilled NHS staff are in demand in aus, the us, the gulf, all paying much more, with far better working environments and conditions.

Maybe a question of why this is happening should be asked?

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 5th March 2015
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The biggest problem the Tories have presided over is the housing crisis for the young and FTBs.

For me, I was saving for a £175k house (small 2 bed in an average area). Within 18 months these rocketed to over £220k. I am now in no longer in a position to get on the ladder as the properties are even further out of reach than they were in 2010, even though I have a much larger deposit. On an average salary I now need a 95k deposit.

It really sticks in my throat when Cameron boasts he is helping hard working people get on the ladder, when they have blatantly fuelled the housing boom, the lack of house building, introduced schemes such as Funding for Lending, Help to Buy/Help to Buy 2, Rent to Buy, and then when the market was looking like cooling, change in stamp duty, then now the age discriminatory 20% off if you are under 40 scheme.

It could get even worse as pensioners (their key voter demographic) are now able to cash in their pensions, no prizes for guessing where their money will likely be going?

If you are a Buy to Let Landlord or are someone with vested interest in property prices, you are probably quite happy with the Tories. A generation though is being gradually screwed out of the housing market (looking at the latest statistics) or are mortgaging themselves into oblivion just to get what could have been easily achievable 5 years ago.

If we have a free market in this country, why is the government sticking their nose into the property market, introducing loads of schemes to support and perpetuate an overpriced market? I would guess there are many answers to that question!


Laurel Green

30,770 posts

231 months

Thursday 5th March 2015
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Well, I wouldn't say he's a good egg!

TankRizzo

7,247 posts

192 months

Thursday 5th March 2015
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Comes to something when Gordon Broon had more balls than CMD. Pathetic.

greygoose

8,224 posts

194 months

Thursday 5th March 2015
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TankRizzo said:
Comes to something when Gordon Broon had more balls than CMD. Pathetic.
Indeed, shameful.

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 5th March 2015
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greygoose said:
Indeed, shameful.
I never liked Gordon Brown, but he really came into his own during the Scottish Independence campaign. I gained new respect for him after that punchy, impassioned speech.

Cameron nor Milliband have the ability to deliver a rallying call like that.

The fact Cameron couldn't win a clear majority the 2010 election, when Labour had virtually shot itself in both feet, speaks volumes for the calibre of the man.

It should have been a walk in the park for any decent party leader. The fact he called in Coulson to connect with the man in the street says a lot as well.