Is Cameron a chicken?

[NoNeed]

MarshPhantom said:

This may be true but why does Cameron care?

Anyone who thinks Labour need to worry about the Greens probably isn't fit to run the country.

Who said labour need to worry about the greens? I doubt Cameron has but as Prime minister he has to be seen to be fair and saying he would have a head to head would give people the chance to say he is running from Farage which also isn't true but if you include one minor party you must include them all.


He is in a no win situation and these TV debates are new to the UK with no real past to draw experience from.

[MarshPhantom]

NoNeed said:

MarshPhantom said:

This may be true but why does Cameron care?

Anyone who thinks Labour need to worry about the Greens probably isn't fit to run the country.

Who said labour need to worry about the greens? I doubt Cameron has but as Prime minister he has to be seen to be fair and saying he would have a head to head would give people the chance to say he is running from Farage which also isn't true but if you include one minor party you must include them all.


He is in a no win situation and these TV debates are new to the UK with no real past to draw experience from.

I've heard some idiotic Tories say Labour don't want to debate with the Greens as they are worried it will split the lefty vote.

Very stupid I know.

[NoNeed]

MarshPhantom said:

I've heard some idiotic Tories say Labour don't want to debate with the Greens as they are worried it will split the lefty vote.

Very stupid I know.

Yes but you portrayed it to have come from Cameron, it didn't. Oh and yes it would be stupid.

[oyster]

Yazar said:

anonymous said:

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I suspect Cameron does not realise how many voters he lost due to this one.

We were the same, over 100k deposit in cash everything looked rosy, then Dave started meddling and London went crazy pretty much overnight. So we paid 25% more, for no reason than the Tories faking the recovery due to lack of any actual ideas.

Osbourne had the cheek the other week to say in a speech that the UK will overtake Germany... one is a country propped up by consumer debt, the citizens in the other don't even use credit cards!!

Are you saying you'd like us to be more like Germany? In the Euro for example?

[Yazar]

oyster said:

Are you saying you'd like us to be more like Germany? In the Euro for example?

Huh? I point to Germans conservative attitude to credit and their better balanced economy and you attempt to link it to the Euro

They would be the same with or without the Euro, their attitude to credit card for example can be traced to the hyperinflation period they had.

[ukwill]

MarshPhantom said:

I've heard some idiotic Tories say Labour don't want to debate with the Greens as they are worried it will split the lefty vote.

Very stupid I know.

You think it's idiotic to suggest that the Greens have not already split the Labour vote?

Clearly you're in denial.

The polls have already shown that this is exactly what has been happening. That is, unless you think that the Greens recent increase in popularity has come from ukip/Tory voters...

As such, it's pretty obvious as to why Cameron wanted to involve the Greens in the debate.

[MarshPhantom]

ukwill said:

MarshPhantom said:

I've heard some idiotic Tories say Labour don't want to debate with the Greens as they are worried it will split the lefty vote.

Very stupid I know.

You think it's idiotic to suggest that the Greens have not already split the Labour vote?

Clearly you're in denial.

The polls have already shown that this is exactly what has been happening. That is, unless you think that the Greens recent increase in popularity has come from ukip/Tory voters...

As such, it's pretty obvious as to why Cameron wanted to involve the Greens in the debate.

Any source for this - any increase in popularity for the greens has come from disillusioned Lib Dems surely.

Greens and Lib Dems are popular are both popular in the South West - Labour aren't. Go figure.

Edited by MarshPhantom on Friday 6th March 12:18

[Johnnytheboy]

MarshPhantom said:

Any source for this - any increase in popularity for the greens has come from disillusioned Lib Dems surely.

Greens and Lib Dems are popular are both popular in the South West - Labour aren't. Go figure.

...which is why the polls in the SW are going to be very hard to call.

[ukwill]

MarshPhantom said:

Any source for this - any increase in popularity for the greens has come from disillusioned Lib Dems surely.

Greens and Lib Dems are popular are both popular in the South West - Labour aren't. Go figure.

Edited by MarshPhantom on Friday 6th March 12:18

Here's one of countless articles regarding the Green party splitting the lefty vote:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jan/24/gr...

[MarshPhantom]

ukwill said:

MarshPhantom said:

Any source for this - any increase in popularity for the greens has come from disillusioned Lib Dems surely.

Greens and Lib Dems are popular are both popular in the South West - Labour aren't. Go figure.

Edited by MarshPhantom on Friday 6th March 12:18

Here's one of countless articles regarding the Green party splitting the lefty vote:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jan/24/gr...

That article pretty much proves my point. Greens lead Lib Dems in polls and pose no real threat to Labour.

[ukwill]

MarshPhantom said:

That article pretty much proves my point. Greens lead Lib Dems in polls and pose no real threat to Labour.

Sure, I suppose if you were to completely rewrite the article, then that's exactly what it would suggest.

So it's denial then.

To coin a CIF'ism: la-la-la

[MarshPhantom]

ukwill said:

MarshPhantom said:

That article pretty much proves my point. Greens lead Lib Dems in polls and pose no real threat to Labour.

Sure, I suppose if you were to completely rewrite the article, then that's exactly what it would suggest.

So it's denial then.

To coin a CIF'ism: la-la-la

Have you actually read the article? Someone's in denial and it isn't me.


If the lefty vote has been split why do Labour still lead the polls?

[ukwill]

MarshPhantom said:

Have you actually read the article? Someone's in denial and it isn't me.

If the lefty vote has been split why do Labour still lead the polls?

What article? The article I posted with the headline:

How Green party surge threatens Labour’s election hopes...

The article that even includes a pretty graphic (coloured in) highlighting 22 seats that the Green party could prevent Labour from winning...

that article?


As for your next equally tiring strawman, is there any party that you think might split the right wing vote? And would that not have an impact on overall polling?

Shall we continue to join the dots?

[MarshPhantom]

ukwill said:

MarshPhantom said:

Have you actually read the article? Someone's in denial and it isn't me.

If the lefty vote has been split why do Labour still lead the polls?

What article? The article I posted with the headline:

How Green party surge threatens Labour’s election hopes...

The article that even includes a pretty graphic (coloured in) highlighting 22 seats that the Green party could prevent Labour from winning...

that article?


As for your next equally tiring strawman, is there any party that you think might split the right wing vote? And would that not have an impact on overall polling?

Shall we continue to join the dots?

Did you keep on reading all the way to the bottom of page?

It's like trying to talk to a five year old.

I shall return when not limited by smartphone.

[gregf40]

MarshPhantom said:

It's like trying to talk to a five year old.

You don't need to read an article to realise the Greens have taken votes from Labour.

[ukwill]

MarshPhantom said:

Did you keep on reading all the way to the bottom of page?

It's like trying to talk to a five year old.

I shall return when not limited by smartphone.

Just to help you out here - One of us appears to be arguing that an article with the headline "How Green party surge threatens Labour’s election hopes..."

is not really anything to do with the Green Party threatening Labour's election hopes.

And when I say one of us, It's not me...



Here's another from the same ardently right-wing rag: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/datablog/2015/...

And I quote: But make no mistake: any rise in support for the Greens directly hurts Labour’s electoral chances.

And look - they even list seats that could be affected. Again.

Silly 5yr olds!

[IainT]

gregf40 said:

MarshPhantom said:

It's like trying to talk to a five year old.

You don't need to read an article to realise the Greens have taken votes from Labour.

MP will assert that you're an idiot if you think that a left-of-centre-left party might take votes from a center-left party. The reality is that LD, Lab and Green all inhabit a similar space left of UKIP and Tories. They all take votes from one another.

[CrutyRammers]

MarshPhantom said:

I've heard some idiotic Tories say Labour don't want to debate with the Greens as they are worried it will split the lefty vote.

Very stupid I know.

From what I understand, it's not splitting the vote which worries labour, it's how milliband will appear if he has to debate the greens. He'll be forced to take positions which don't match his supposed socialist credentials.

[NailedOn]

TV broadcasters now saying there will be three debates with or without Cameron.

Edited by NailedOn on Friday 6th March 19:19

[greygoose]

NailedOn said:

TV broadcasters now saying there will be three debates with our without Cameron.

Good.