Is Cameron a chicken?
Poll: Is Cameron a chicken?
Total Members Polled: 448
Discussion
Pesty said:
Easy to solve.
To programme should run with clegg,milliband and farrage and an empty pedestal .
While a message flashes up at the bottom of the screen ever 20 seconds Cameron refused to appear. Every now and again the presenter should turn to the empty Place and say what do you say about that Mr Cameron, and then say oh that's right you were to scared to come.
Ah the HIGNFY pot of lard ploy. To programme should run with clegg,milliband and farrage and an empty pedestal .
While a message flashes up at the bottom of the screen ever 20 seconds Cameron refused to appear. Every now and again the presenter should turn to the empty Place and say what do you say about that Mr Cameron, and then say oh that's right you were to scared to come.
All along Cameron hasn't wanted a debate, everything to lose and nothing to gain.
Bearing in mind I think the debates are a bad idea generally, and no doubt the Tory fan boys will say he's played a blinder, to be fair to the man he is between a rock and a hard place on this one. Take part and little to gain but at big risk, not take part and, well you see the reaction here, just appears weak.
Debates like this are all down to the best prepared spin and makeup the ability to put it over. I do not put much stock in them. For example the Greens will have spent some time making sure wotshername does not cough and has some info on budgetary goings on. Debates are more for persuading people who make choices on their favourite colour. I understand our Welsh Nationalist party is after a slot at this debate, they will be using for some form of proof that they are a major player and something they can spin into their election campaign.
At least as I see it anyway. A way to score brownie points for free.
At least as I see it anyway. A way to score brownie points for free.
Cameron's campaign seems to be based on trying to prove other parties might be worse, rather than standing by his record as PM or offering a new direction.
I got this flyer in the post from Cameron yesterday:
Considering he apparently wants to spend the campaign trying to talk about UKIP and Labour, it wouldn't serve his purpose to be in a situation where his interpretation is questioned or where he has to answer direct challenges.
I got this flyer in the post from Cameron yesterday:
Considering he apparently wants to spend the campaign trying to talk about UKIP and Labour, it wouldn't serve his purpose to be in a situation where his interpretation is questioned or where he has to answer direct challenges.
jmorgan said:
Debates like this are all down to the best prepared spin and makeup the ability to put it over. I do not put much stock in them. For example the Greens will have spent some time making sure wotshername does not cough and has some info on budgetary goings on. Debates are more for persuading people who make choices on their favourite colour. I understand our Welsh Nationalist party is after a slot at this debate, they will be using for some form of proof that they are a major player and something they can spin into their election campaign.
At least as I see it anyway. A way to score brownie points for free.
Cameron didn't have an issue with this last time around and was the most vocal in his desire for the debates to happen. He wants to have his cake and eat it, having seen how fat he is this should come as no surprise.At least as I see it anyway. A way to score brownie points for free.
MarshPhantom said:
Cameron didn't have an issue with this last time around and was the most vocal in his desire for the debates to happen. He wants to have his cake and eat it, having seen how fat he is this should come as no surprise.
From what I can gather he's stated that he wants a debate - like he did before. What I think he doesn't want is several debates.What would be the point of having several debates when one with all relevant parties attending would suffice?
ukwill said:
MarshPhantom said:
Cameron didn't have an issue with this last time around and was the most vocal in his desire for the debates to happen. He wants to have his cake and eat it, having seen how fat he is this should come as no surprise.
From what I can gather he's stated that he wants a debate - like he did before. What I think he doesn't want is several debates.What would be the point of having several debates when one with all relevant parties attending would suffice?
Why should Cameron get to dictate how the debates should be done?
MarshPhantom said:
Cameron insists the Greens should be there, how exactly are they relevant?
They have representation in the HoC - regardless of what I think of them, they should have a say.Anyway, frankly, they should be on National TV. Everyone will get to see what a shower they are.
MarshPhantom said:
Cameron insists the Greens should be there, how exactly are they relevant?
Why should Cameron get to dictate how the debates should be done?
What's the inclusion of the Green party got to do with it? From what I've read there will be upto 7 parties involved in the debate. That's plurality for you. fWhy should Cameron get to dictate how the debates should be done?
k me, people are constantly bhing on about politics being all the same and then whine when marginal parties are included.I imagine that the TV companies didn't fancy the idea of staging this kind of event without the er, current PM being involved...
Asterix said:
MarshPhantom said:
Cameron insists the Greens should be there, how exactly are they relevant?
They have representation in the HoC - regardless of what I think of them, they should have a say.Anyway, frankly, they should be on National TV. Everyone will get to see what a shower they are.
ukwill said:
MarshPhantom said:
Cameron insists the Greens should be there, how exactly are they relevant?
Why should Cameron get to dictate how the debates should be done?
What's the inclusion of the Green party got to do with it? From what I've read there will be upto 7 parties involved in the debate. That's plurality for you. fWhy should Cameron get to dictate how the debates should be done?
k me, people are constantly bhing on about politics being all the same and then whine when marginal parties are included.I imagine that the TV companies didn't fancy the idea of staging this kind of event without the er, current PM being involved...
MarshPhantom said:
Cameron didn't have an issue with this last time around and was the most vocal in his desire for the debates to happen. He wants to have his cake and eat it, having seen how fat he is this should come as no surprise.
I would expect other leaders to play according to how they see the benefit and may well do the same if they were the incumbent. It's a game of spin.MarshPhantom said:
Cameron's reason for not doing the debates was because the Green Party weren't involved - utterly ludicrous I know but he started it.
Well that's pretty obvious isn't it. He stood nothing to gain and everything to lose. With the Greens involved, the labour party can now squirm around knowing that there's a party in the debate who make them look far-right (not that this is too hard a feat considering Labour has been a right-wing party for the past two decades).MarshPhantom said:
If Miliband is such an idiot why is Cameron running scared?
Our PM is a joke.
You can twist that the other way though.Our PM is a joke.
If Miliband think he is so good, why is he not prepared to face all six parties?
I know nothing about football, so this next anaolgy could be balls, but bear with me. Nobody would bother to watch the FA cup if it was only between Manchester United and Chelsea, but they do when it involves everybody.
Megaflow said:
MarshPhantom said:
If Miliband is such an idiot why is Cameron running scared?
Our PM is a joke.
You can twist that the other way though.Our PM is a joke.
If Miliband think he is so good, why is he not prepared to face all six parties?
I know nothing about football, so this next anaolgy could be balls, but bear with me. Nobody would bother to watch the FA cup if it was only between Manchester United and Chelsea, but they do when it involves everybody.
Why not potential PMs only?
It's the TV companies who want a debate between Miliband and Cameron, not Labour, and Cameron is refusing.
Edited by MarshPhantom on Thursday 5th March 08:35
Straight from the horse's mouth...
1. “I absolutely believe in these debates and think they are great.” – David Cameron and Jeremy Thompson, Sky news, 14 April 2010
2. “I think it is great we are having these debates and I hope they go someway to restore some of the faith and some of the trust into our politics because we badly need that once again in this country.” – David Cameron, Leaders Debate, ITV, 15 April 2010
3. “Look, I’ve been calling for these debates for five years, I challenged Blair, I challenged Brown, I challenged when I was ahead in the polls, and when I was behind in the polls. I just think they are a good thing.” – David Cameron, Daily Telegraph, 17 April 2010
4. “I’ve always wanted these debates to happen. I mean they happen in every country. They even happen in Mongolia for heaven’s sake and it’s part of the modern age that we should be in.” – David Cameron, BBC3, 21 April 2010
5. “I think these debates are here to stay. They clearly engage people in politics which is what we need.” – David Cameron, News of the World, 2 May 2010
6. “If you want the TV debates to go ahead you have got to do it fairly between the main parties and look, having said I want them, having challenged people to have them and quite right, Sky saying let’s have them, it would have been feeble to find some excuse to back out so I thought we’ve got to stick at this, we’ve got to do it. It will be challenging, it was, but I think I came through them.” – David Cameron, Sky News, 3 May 2010
7. “You know we’ve been going on for years about let’s have these debates and I think it really vindicated having that. I think people will be asking themselves why on earth, what was all the fuss about? Why on earth didn’t we have these things before? We should have done and it’s great they’re underway now and I think we’ll have them in every election in the future and I think that’s a really good thing for our democracy.” – David Cameron, BBC Radio Manchester, 16 April 2014
8. “On TV debates, I’m in favour of them, I think they’re good and we should go on having them and I will certainly play my part in trying to make that happen.” – David Cameron, Coalition mid term review, 7th Jan 2012
9. “I think TV debates are good. I enjoyed them last time – particularly the last one.” – David Cameron, David Cameron, Press Association, 10th December 2012
10. (And finally – here’s a time when he criticised candidates for pulling out of the debates) – “Blair pulled out against, against Major and Major pulled out against Kinnock, Thatcher pulled out against Callaghan. I’ve just always believed that these need to happen. It’s good for democracy. It’s good to see.” – David Cameron and Allan Beswick, BBC Radio Manchester, 16 April 2014
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Ok, so he's repeatedly said he's in favour of debates but I don't think there can be any doubt that by saying he will only take part in one debate - with the whole world and his (or her) dog involved as well - he is clearly trying to diminish their value and dilute their impact.
1. “I absolutely believe in these debates and think they are great.” – David Cameron and Jeremy Thompson, Sky news, 14 April 2010
2. “I think it is great we are having these debates and I hope they go someway to restore some of the faith and some of the trust into our politics because we badly need that once again in this country.” – David Cameron, Leaders Debate, ITV, 15 April 2010
3. “Look, I’ve been calling for these debates for five years, I challenged Blair, I challenged Brown, I challenged when I was ahead in the polls, and when I was behind in the polls. I just think they are a good thing.” – David Cameron, Daily Telegraph, 17 April 2010
4. “I’ve always wanted these debates to happen. I mean they happen in every country. They even happen in Mongolia for heaven’s sake and it’s part of the modern age that we should be in.” – David Cameron, BBC3, 21 April 2010
5. “I think these debates are here to stay. They clearly engage people in politics which is what we need.” – David Cameron, News of the World, 2 May 2010
6. “If you want the TV debates to go ahead you have got to do it fairly between the main parties and look, having said I want them, having challenged people to have them and quite right, Sky saying let’s have them, it would have been feeble to find some excuse to back out so I thought we’ve got to stick at this, we’ve got to do it. It will be challenging, it was, but I think I came through them.” – David Cameron, Sky News, 3 May 2010
7. “You know we’ve been going on for years about let’s have these debates and I think it really vindicated having that. I think people will be asking themselves why on earth, what was all the fuss about? Why on earth didn’t we have these things before? We should have done and it’s great they’re underway now and I think we’ll have them in every election in the future and I think that’s a really good thing for our democracy.” – David Cameron, BBC Radio Manchester, 16 April 2014
8. “On TV debates, I’m in favour of them, I think they’re good and we should go on having them and I will certainly play my part in trying to make that happen.” – David Cameron, Coalition mid term review, 7th Jan 2012
9. “I think TV debates are good. I enjoyed them last time – particularly the last one.” – David Cameron, David Cameron, Press Association, 10th December 2012
10. (And finally – here’s a time when he criticised candidates for pulling out of the debates) – “Blair pulled out against, against Major and Major pulled out against Kinnock, Thatcher pulled out against Callaghan. I’ve just always believed that these need to happen. It’s good for democracy. It’s good to see.” – David Cameron and Allan Beswick, BBC Radio Manchester, 16 April 2014
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Ok, so he's repeatedly said he's in favour of debates but I don't think there can be any doubt that by saying he will only take part in one debate - with the whole world and his (or her) dog involved as well - he is clearly trying to diminish their value and dilute their impact.
MarshPhantom said:
Asterix said:
MarshPhantom said:
Cameron insists the Greens should be there, how exactly are they relevant?
They have representation in the HoC - regardless of what I think of them, they should have a say.Anyway, frankly, they should be on National TV. Everyone will get to see what a shower they are.
Asterix said:
MarshPhantom said:
Asterix said:
MarshPhantom said:
Cameron insists the Greens should be there, how exactly are they relevant?
They have representation in the HoC - regardless of what I think of them, they should have a say.Anyway, frankly, they should be on National TV. Everyone will get to see what a shower they are.
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