I Am Not Charlie Hebdo

[carinaman]

otolith said:

Which bits of "their" civilisation would he like "ours" to adopt? Inequality for women? Persecution of homosexuals? Suppression of freedom of religion? Mutilation and execution as parts of our justice system?

Boko Haram, ISIS/ISIL/Islamic State and Prince Andrew's mate Epstein like trading young girls.



From a glass half full perspective it's unlikely that HRH Prince Andrew and his mate Epstein went in for FGM.

[otolith]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-eas...

[supersingle]

heebeegeetee said:

Baryonyx said:

Indeed, but collectively the British are cowards, unable and unwilling to say what they want. At least in France they take freedom of speech quite seriously.

Thats not what I've seen reported in the media over the weekend. You might want to ask muslims and jews in France whether they think they have the freedoms to express their religion in the same way they can in the UK.

I think it is worth saying that the Charlie cartoons were/are very offensive, if there is any accuracy in this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U56q428amN0

I don't think anyone would choose to publish such material in the UK - out of choice, not law. Monty Python or Private Eye it ain't.

Charlie Hebdo seem to have waged a battle it cannot win, because what are they going to do now? Continue to publish and put the lives of their staff at risk, or give in to terrorism?

None of those cartoons incite hatred. They're funny, rude and put a pin through religious hypocrisy. No sensible person should have a problem with them.

If we submit to blasphemy laws we're allowing the implementation of part of the Sharia. It's the thin end of the wedge.

[turbobloke]

supersingle said:

heebeegeetee said:

Baryonyx said:

Indeed, but collectively the British are cowards, unable and unwilling to say what they want. At least in France they take freedom of speech quite seriously.

Thats not what I've seen reported in the media over the weekend. You might want to ask muslims and jews in France whether they think they have the freedoms to express their religion in the same way they can in the UK.

I think it is worth saying that the Charlie cartoons were/are very offensive, if there is any accuracy in this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U56q428amN0

I don't think anyone would choose to publish such material in the UK - out of choice, not law. Monty Python or Private Eye it ain't.

Charlie Hebdo seem to have waged a battle it cannot win, because what are they going to do now? Continue to publish and put the lives of their staff at risk, or give in to terrorism?

None of those cartoons incite hatred. They're funny, rude and put a pin through religious hypocrisy. No sensible person should have a problem with them.

If we submit to blasphemy laws we're allowing the implementation of part of the Sharia. It's the thin end of the wedge.

Agreed. Such laws were rightly repealed (2008 iirc and with the support of the CofE) and the relevant offences abolished.

[carinaman]

otolith said:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-eas...

Thanks for that. It led me to this:

http://www.independent.co.uk/video/?videoid=397926...

I don't know him from QI, but from Blackadder and his mental health documentary.


Haven't we poured away £Billions in Iraq and Afghanistan and spilt gallons of blood in the name of 'British values'.

It would be good if we knew what they were other than a soundbite uttered by Cameron while breaking up a school playground fight between Michael Gove and Theresa May's Spin Doctor.

Edited by carinaman on Monday 12th January 16:22

[Bill]

The Don of Croy said:

Perhaps it would have been better if various publications took it upon themselves to print a selection of 'Danish' cartoons, Hebdo features, etc etc now and again just to re-iterate a message that killing will only make the problem (for the haters) worse ie. they now have all the outlets blaspheming their deity.

It would please the instigators of fundamentalist terrorism as it would make it easier for them to persuade the idiots to do their dirty work.

[mybrainhurts]

Troubleatmill said:

Whatever you do. Don't watch "The life of Brian".

Don't say Jehovah. I did, but I think I got away with it...

[redtwin]

Liokault said:

Which papers/news organizations have reprinted or broadcast the images that so offended the Snack Bars? Wouldn't showing the spark for the current trouble be valid news?

Sky news broadcast quite a few of the cartoons.

[PRTVR]

Bill said:

The Don of Croy said:

Perhaps it would have been better if various publications took it upon themselves to print a selection of 'Danish' cartoons, Hebdo features, etc etc now and again just to re-iterate a message that killing will only make the problem (for the haters) worse ie. they now have all the outlets blaspheming their deity.

It would please the instigators of fundamentalist terrorism as it would make it easier for them to persuade the idiots to do their dirty work.

If the cartoons are not republished would that not prove terrorism works ? Screwed if we do, screwed if we don't.

[J4CKO]

I just dont like being a target for being hated and potentially blown up for basically being in the wrong place at the wrong time, Tony Blair, Cameron and Brown never consulted me on any of the various invasions into foreign lands and I have never drawn any cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed, I am not sure I like being a potential collateral damage for stuff I have no influence or involvement in.

OK, I am an infidel, and realistically at 44 I am not going to convert to Islam just to capitulate, I would be just paying it lip service, last thing Islam needs is more half arsed followers, I would stand out like a sore thumb at the local Mosque as well, getting out Islamed by 8 year old kids.

I am not sure I like being called an Infidel, does that make religious folk "Fidels", certainly it seems a lot of Catholic priests have enjoyed a "Fidel" in the past - allegedly.

[Bill]

PRTVR said:

If the cartoons are not republished would that not prove terrorism works ? Screwed if we do, screwed if we don't.

Yep. It's a tough one. I'd like to say tough and publish but we would have to accept there will be similar attacks attempted and some will succeed, and I'm not sure people have the backbone for that.

[Rovinghawk]

Freedom of speech means publish if you want, don't publish if you don't want.

[4v6]

I was thinking of taking up the mantle of cartoonist, I wonder if there's much profit in it?

[J4CKO]

How do they know if a given cartoon is of the Prophet, does it have to have a name on or is it down to it being implied ?

[mybrainhurts]

Bill said:

PRTVR said:

If the cartoons are not republished would that not prove terrorism works ? Screwed if we do, screwed if we don't.

Yep. It's a tough one. I'd like to say tough and publish but we would have to accept there will be similar attacks attempted and some will succeed, and I'm not sure people have the backbone for that.

If we'd taken that attitude and done nothing in 1939, in case the Luftwaffe might bomb us, where would we be now?

[Mermaid]

Bill said:

PRTVR said:

If the cartoons are not republished would that not prove terrorism works ? Screwed if we do, screwed if we don't.

Yep. It's a tough one. I'd like to say tough and publish but we would have to accept there will be similar attacks attempted and some will succeed, and I'm not sure people have the backbone for that.

I'd say publish and stick a warning on the front cover - contains flashing lights Muslims are forbidden to read this .

[Mermaid]

mybrainhurts said:

If we'd taken that attitude and done nothing in 1939, in case the Luftwaffe might bomb us, where would we be now?

Sehr gut

[mybrainhurts]

4v6 said:

I was thinking of taking up the mantle of cartoonist, I wonder if there's much profit in it?

See what you did there, I did...

[Bill]

If the Luftwaffe consisted of the occasional nutter with an AK the need wouldn't have been so pressing.

[carinaman]

Mermaid said:

I'd say publish and stick a warning on the front cover - contains flashing lights Muslims are forbidden to read this .

Just put them it the polythene envelope with bits of the cover obscured like Jazz magazines at M-way service stations.

I'm sure all those people that previously worked in Newsagents could bring a class action for having to sellotape the front covers of those specialist publications closed. At least the need to do that has been drastically reduced by the Internet.