Respecting religion???

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Derek Smith

45,666 posts

248 months

Monday 9th February 2015
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///ajd said:
The bloke is quite remarkable. Does he believe the waffle? Only the most stupid would. Yet he is willing to make himself a laughing stock.



TwigtheWonderkid said:
Claudia Skies said:
Take a really simple example. The miracle of "feeding the 5,000" with five loaves and two fishes. Given it's a miracle, why were the starting loaves and fishes needed at all? It's just nonsense.
Because if he'd only had 4 loaves and 1 fish, he'd have run out of food. There's only so much your run of the mill miracles worker can do!
Why did he need any fishes or loaves? Why not just feed them out of the sand?

jmorgan

36,010 posts

284 months

Monday 9th February 2015
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It is quite interesting the way stories from today will get embellished.

With regards that joker in the youtube above, I there are extremes and there are many that are not, but it would appear that you can criticise and try to debate this version without people getting precious.

TwigtheWonderkid

43,387 posts

150 months

Monday 9th February 2015
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Derek Smith said:
Why did he need any fishes or loaves? Why not just feed them out of the sand?
You can't eat sand!

Miracles are one thing, but you're asking for the impossible!!



Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

244 months

Monday 9th February 2015
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Perhaps when he put out the flyers he could have put a note at the bottom suggesting attendees bring a packed lunch.

kowalski655

14,647 posts

143 months

Monday 9th February 2015
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
Derek Smith said:
Why did he need any fishes or loaves? Why not just feed them out of the sand?
You can't eat sand!

Miracles are one thing, but you're asking for the impossible!!
Absolutely

supertouring

2,228 posts

233 months

Monday 9th February 2015
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Derek Smith said:
///ajd said:
The bloke is quite remarkable. Does he believe the waffle? Only the most stupid would. Yet he is willing to make himself a laughing stock.
I am sure there are plenty of sales people out there that do not believe in their product/service either, but it does not stop them from selling it and making good money out of it.

Justayellowbadge

37,057 posts

242 months

Monday 9th February 2015
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supertouring said:
Derek Smith said:
///ajd said:
The bloke is quite remarkable. Does he believe the waffle? Only the most stupid would. Yet he is willing to make himself a laughing stock.
I am sure there are plenty of sales people out there that do not believe in their product/service either, but it does not stop them from selling it and making good money out of it.
It's so obvious when you think about it.

Of course there was room for dinosaurs on the ark.

Because they were baby dinosaurs.

I'm convinced.

///ajd

8,964 posts

206 months

Monday 9th February 2015
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Justayellowbadge said:
supertouring said:
Derek Smith said:
///ajd said:
The bloke is quite remarkable. Does he believe the waffle? Only the most stupid would. Yet he is willing to make himself a laughing stock.
I am sure there are plenty of sales people out there that do not believe in their product/service either, but it does not stop them from selling it and making good money out of it.
It's so obvious when you think about it.

Of course there was room for dinosaurs on the ark.

Because they were baby dinosaurs.

I'm convinced.
It does shed some light on how belief can it seems totally trump logic and evidence.

Does anyone understand VKs position on inequality in the CofE? He says he has provided he view but I'm still a bit confused as to whether he thinks its OK that they happily promote inequality.


Edited by ///ajd on Monday 9th February 19:31

Troubleatmill

10,210 posts

159 months

Monday 9th February 2015
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If you have been told something consistently every week ( or in some cases ) every day of every week of your life, and denying it - means you are going to hell. ( Especially terrifying for young minds )
Then - in a high number of cases - it does not matter how much evidence you present in front of them that their belief is wrong - they just refuse to accept it.
And you can't blame them - for their entire lives - they are told it is true.

Take for example above - Noah's ark and the flood. Many people believe this to be a factual event.

No skilled shipbuilding team of engineers has ever been able to build a wooden structure the size of the ark - and make it seaworthy. But Noah and 7 others did.

Getting 2 of every animal is quite a task. Especially as some animals are only found for instance in South America - e.g. Alpaca and others are only found in Australia. e.g. Kangaroo
So, when Noah's ark landed at Mount Ararat - the 2 surviving Kangaroos - had one very long trek to get to Australia. Ditto the Alpaca's to get to South America.

Given the long distances involved - it would take more than one generation to get to their destination country.

Not one single skeleton of a dead Kangaroo has been found en route to Australia.

How did Kangaroo's and Alpaca's navigate across the oceans?





groucho

12,134 posts

246 months

Monday 9th February 2015
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That bloke in the vid is a halfwit!

Troubleatmill

10,210 posts

159 months

Monday 9th February 2015
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If you have a couple of hours going spare - the Bill Nye and Ken Ham debate is compelling viewing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6kgvhG3AkI&sp...

Jump 13 minutes in - as the beginning is just a countdown clock.

Derek Smith

45,666 posts

248 months

Monday 9th February 2015
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Justayellowbadge said:
supertouring said:
Derek Smith said:
///ajd said:
The bloke is quite remarkable. Does he believe the waffle? Only the most stupid would. Yet he is willing to make himself a laughing stock.
I am sure there are plenty of sales people out there that do not believe in their product/service either, but it does not stop them from selling it and making good money out of it.
It's so obvious when you think about it.

Of course there was room for dinosaurs on the ark.

Because they were baby dinosaurs.

I'm convinced.
I've read the bible. I studied various parts of it: not many but some. This bloke on the video reckons two of every kind but this is, in fact, wrong. it was fourteen of each apart from unclean animals. I've just had a quick look on Wiki and it reckons the definitive list on the unclean is:

Camel, Chameleon, Coney, Ferret, Frog, Hare, Lizard, Mole, Mouse, plus lots of birds.

Now I don't know how many different types of dinosaur there were, but I know a website that does. If you go to http://dinosaurs.about.com/od/typesofdinosaurs/a/d..., and the following four pages, you will find lots of dinosaurs listed. By lots I mean lots and lots and lots. There are quite a few, certainly more than, for instance, ten.

In fact there are about 540 listed, but there are arguments that this could be reduced to 300, although not everyone agrees. Conservative estimates suggest there are another 700 types yet to be discovered, giving, conveniently for multiplication, 1000 types as a minimum. Every one of them, baby or not, would have required fourteen representatives as, we see above, they are not listed as unclean. That gives us 14,000 types of dinosaur on the ark.

Unless Noah was a bit of a slacker and only took cuddly bunnies. Two, as they are unclean.


mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

255 months

Tuesday 10th February 2015
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Troubleatmill said:
If you have been told something consistently every week ( or in some cases ) every day of every week of your life, and denying it - means you are going to hell. ( Especially terrifying for young minds )
Then - in a high number of cases - it does not matter how much evidence you present in front of them that their belief is wrong - they just refuse to accept it.
And you can't blame them - for their entire lives - they are told it is true.

Take for example above - Noah's ark and the flood. Many people believe this to be a factual event.

No skilled shipbuilding team of engineers has ever been able to build a wooden structure the size of the ark - and make it seaworthy. But Noah and 7 others did.

Getting 2 of every animal is quite a task. Especially as some animals are only found for instance in South America - e.g. Alpaca and others are only found in Australia. e.g. Kangaroo
So, when Noah's ark landed at Mount Ararat - the 2 surviving Kangaroos - had one very long trek to get to Australia. Ditto the Alpaca's to get to South America.

Given the long distances involved - it would take more than one generation to get to their destination country.

Not one single skeleton of a dead Kangaroo has been found en route to Australia.

How did Kangaroo's and Alpaca's navigate across the oceans?
Bet old beardy Branson had a hand in it. Look at the publicity...hehe

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

255 months

Tuesday 10th February 2015
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http://www.itv.com/news/london/story/2015-02-08/mu...

Came across coach loads of this lot returning home in the Toddington services. They were down on their prayer mats and we were tripping over them to get to the bogs...hehe

///ajd

8,964 posts

206 months

Tuesday 10th February 2015
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mybrainhurts said:
http://www.itv.com/news/london/story/2015-02-08/mu...

Came across coach loads of this lot returning home in the Toddington services. They were down on their prayer mats and we were tripping over them to get to the bogs...hehe
You look at all the effort that has gone into the protests - all the banners made about "learn manners" and "pope says insult my mum and I'll punch you".

And you just think. Get a life.




Derek Smith

45,666 posts

248 months

Thursday 12th February 2015
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The pope on sex and violence.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/11/pope-...

Do as I say, not do as I do.

We must feel relieved that the world is not overpopulated or else such statements as these could cause poverty, malnutrition, ignorance and the imprisonment of women. And who would want that?


///ajd

8,964 posts

206 months

Thursday 12th February 2015
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Derek Smith said:
The pope on sex and violence.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/11/pope-...

Do as I say, not do as I do.

We must feel relieved that the world is not overpopulated or else such statements as these could cause poverty, malnutrition, ignorance and the imprisonment of women. And who would want that?
He is just worried about other religions having more babies.

Babies=more opportunities to brainwash the followers of the future. No babies=no one to tell fairy takes to.

Another example of religion caring more about its own survival than the wellbeing of its followers.



kowalski655

14,647 posts

143 months

Thursday 12th February 2015
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Also more babies=more kids for his employees evil