That Lunancy from the Greens in Full...

[Eric Mc]

Shar2 said:

Unbelievable. They really do want to take us back to the stone age.

I bet stone age folk used stones as currency. The Greens wouldn't like that.

[edh]

andy43 said:

Full list of 'policies' here ----> http://policy.greenparty.org.uk/
.....
Annual land tax payable on all land (cheap rates for farmland) whether houses are occupied, derelict or not. That'll sort the housing 'crisis' then.

La-la

Actually it would have a very positive effect on housing - which you'd realise if you understood the principles of Land value tax. That raging commie Milton Friedman described it as the "least worst tax".

The Telegraph article is ridiculous. Presumably because they now see the Greens as a threat rather than an irrelevance. I look forward to their caricature of the UKIP manifesto when it arrives.

I won't be voting Green. Some of their ideas are odd, some will be mainstream in a few years. They want to scrap HS2 and Trident - I agree with both of those.

[PRTVR]

This is the byproduct of care in the community, it really scarry that these people who would vote for this are walking the streets.

[whoami]

edh said:

The Telegraph article is ridiculous.

Which parts?

[McWigglebum4th]

Gargamel said:

Assume the Green position for a moment,

Every Egg, Chicken Breast, Rolled Joint of Roast Beef and such will now need to be locally sourced, Free Range.

How much land would be required to maintain current consumption? if every beastie that is eaten on a DAILY basis, needed to be free range. ( I am assuming, that no importation of meat would be allowed )

I would be willing to bet, it is more than the available land in the UK

We could easily support the UK population using UK only farmland under the green party policies




Mainly because most folk would either be dead or will of left

[Gargamel]

PD302 On inspection, there is little or no threat of direct invasion of the UK by any nation. Commitment to a large standing army, a navy of large warships around our coastline, squadrons of fighter planes and a cripplingly expensive missile defence system is therefore unnecessary. Any threat of invasion that might arise in the future is so remote that realignment of the UK military and defence preparations would be possible long before any invasion occurred.

Flowers, not tanks

[OllieC]

I don't doubt there is a large element of bias in the Torygraph article, but that said, it is easy for the greens to come up with pie in the sky ideas when they know they don't have to make them work.

I like the idea of a much more simplified benefits and tax system, which encourages work. Too many people are trapped now where if they worked more hours they are no better off due to benefits reductions, there is no incentive for many to work. a universal benefit has merits...

but yes, in general I strongly suspect the greens would have us back in the stone age quicker than you could say 'Brother number 1'.

[Eric Mc]

PRTVR said:

This is the byproduct of care in the community, it really scarry that these people who would vote for this are walking the streets.

Never a truer word.

[IroningMan]

Gargamel said:

Assume the Green position for a moment,

Every Egg, Chicken Breast, Rolled Joint of Roast Beef and such will now need to be locally sourced, Free Range.

How much land would be required to maintain current consumption? if every beastie that is eaten on a DAILY basis, needed to be free range. ( I am assuming, that no importation of meat would be allowed )

I would be willing to bet, it is more than the available land in the UK

What makes you think eating meat will be possible?

[VeeDubBigBird]

The green party, have an important role in todays political system.

They act as a drain for all the weirdos that would otherwise be entering ones of the other parties.

[McWigglebum4th]

OllieC said:

I don't doubt there is a large element of bias in the Torygraph article, but that said, it is easy for the greens to come up with pie in the sky ideas when they know they don't have to make them work.

I like the idea of a much more simplified benefits and tax system, which encourages work. Too many people are trapped now where if they worked more hours they are no better off due to benefits reductions, there is no incentive for many to work. a universal benefit has merits...

but yes, in general I strongly suspect the greens would have us back in the stone age quicker than you could say 'Brother number 1'.

The £75 for everyone no matter what and shutting down all other benefits sounds wonderful

Combine that with a flat tax and you can never make yourself better off by doing fk all

[The Hypno-Toad]

Eric Mc said:

PRTVR said:

This is the byproduct of care in the community, it really scarry that these people who would vote for this are walking the streets.

Never a truer word.

Its even scarier that 11% of the population say that they are going to vote for them.

Time to invest in pobblebeads...

[iphonedyou]

Absolutely mental. It beggars belief.

[Yazar]

OllieC said:

it is easy for the greens to come up with pie in the sky ideas when they know they don't have to make them work.

When they do have to make it work, they still keep their pies in the sky!!

Brighton Green council:
- Meat Free Mondays in council canteens (scrapped after bin men revolt)
- Gender Neutral toilets
- 4.75% increase in council tax to be put to a referendum (idea scrapped after they realised cost of referendum was £900k


Best bit is that Brighton under Greens ranks 302nd out of 326 councils for its recycling record http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/11526891.Sussex_cou...

[Axionknight]

Cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo

[edh]

whoami said:

edh said:

The Telegraph article is ridiculous.

Which parts?

The whole tenor of the article, and the omissions, are used to present a cock eyed view of Green policy. No mention of things their readership might agree with - CAP reform, opposition to undemocratic EU and "ever closer union", scrapping HS2 etc..

Also re: Citizen's Income. The suggestion of massive costs doesn't quite stack up. "It will cost somewhere between £240-280 billion a year – more than double the current health budget, and ten times the defence budget. Those costs will be off-set by some reduction to the welfare bill, through the replacement of jobseekers’ allowance." Well yes - ~60m x £72 x 52 weeks is an easy sum I suppose, but apparently too hard to net off all the social security benefits, pension, personal allowance etc.. that it replaces, of which JSA would be a very small part.

I think the notion of a society where families don't need 2 earners flogging themselves just in order to survive would be a good thing. There's more to life than work.

[Art0ir]

Gargamel said:

Assume the Green position for a moment,

Every Egg, Chicken Breast, Rolled Joint of Roast Beef and such will now need to be locally sourced, Free Range.

How much land would be required to maintain current consumption? if every beastie that is eaten on a DAILY basis, needed to be free range. ( I am assuming, that no importation of meat would be allowed )

I would be willing to bet, it is more than the available land in the UK

That's the plan, to make us all vegetarian.

[ellroy]

@ Yazar: So screaming lefty hippies in totally incompetent shocker then?

Edited by ellroy on Tuesday 20th January 11:03

[Gargamel]

edh said:

I think the notion of a society where families don't need 2 earners flogging themselves just in order to survive would be a good thing. There's more to life than work.

That is the message they need to get across, I fully agree, if they can limited the lunacy angle (eg defence policy) - and promote what sustainability really means for quality of life, then I think they have some valid points of view.

But it is the barking nonsense which will get the headlines, and to pretend otherwise is to not treat the greens as a credible political movement.

[jogon]

Yazar said:

OllieC said:

it is easy for the greens to come up with pie in the sky ideas when they know they don't have to make them work.

When they do have to make it work, they still keep their pies in the sky!!

Brighton Green council:
- Meat Free Mondays in council canteens (scrapped after bin men revolt)
- Gender Neutral toilets
- 4.75% increase in council tax to be put to a referendum (idea scrapped after they realised cost of referendum was £900k


Best bit is that Brighton under Greens ranks 302nd out of 326 councils for its recycling record http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/11526891.Sussex_cou...

You forgot the new i360 viewing platform at a cost of £30m saddled on to the local taxpayer. Bonkers.