That Lunancy from the Greens in Full...
Discussion
hairykrishna said:
Telegraph article quotes 240 to 280 billion. It's not clear how that's calculated.
Welfare plus pensions is already ~255 billion. Isn't that an average of £76.50 a week each?
But most of us currently get nothing, and the Green proposal is for the payment to be universal, plus no one's benefits will be going down, upward only.Welfare plus pensions is already ~255 billion. Isn't that an average of £76.50 a week each?
RYH64E said:
hairykrishna said:
Telegraph article quotes 240 to 280 billion. It's not clear how that's calculated.
Welfare plus pensions is already ~255 billion. Isn't that an average of £76.50 a week each?
But most of us currently get nothing, and the Green proposal is for the payment to be universal, plus no one's benefits will be going down, upward only.Welfare plus pensions is already ~255 billion. Isn't that an average of £76.50 a week each?
RYH64E said:
hairykrishna said:
Telegraph article quotes 240 to 280 billion. It's not clear how that's calculated.
Welfare plus pensions is already ~255 billion. Isn't that an average of £76.50 a week each?
But most of us currently get nothing, and the Green proposal is for the payment to be universal, plus no one's benefits will be going down, upward only.Welfare plus pensions is already ~255 billion. Isn't that an average of £76.50 a week each?
housing benefits
disability benefits
child benefit
child tax credits
pensions
Thinking a bit more about the green paryt, I am becoming less and less anti-green.
Yes many of these policies are ridiculous, but many have some semblance of credibility in them.
I understand where they are trying to get to, even if many of these policies would be unworkable or just plain daft.
however a vote for Green wouldn't be a vote for them to win really, at best it would give them a chance to be in a coalition.
at worst it would put them in a comfortable position above UKPI and the LDs in which they have to revise their policies so that all of them make sense and are workable.
Though I wouldn't vote for them currently I would be interested to see televised debates with them.
Then against I am in a very conservative seat with 4th place in 2010 going to BNP with UKIP and Greens trailing them.
Yes many of these policies are ridiculous, but many have some semblance of credibility in them.
I understand where they are trying to get to, even if many of these policies would be unworkable or just plain daft.
however a vote for Green wouldn't be a vote for them to win really, at best it would give them a chance to be in a coalition.
at worst it would put them in a comfortable position above UKPI and the LDs in which they have to revise their policies so that all of them make sense and are workable.
Though I wouldn't vote for them currently I would be interested to see televised debates with them.
Then against I am in a very conservative seat with 4th place in 2010 going to BNP with UKIP and Greens trailing them.
Efbe said:
Thinking a bit more about the green paryt, I am becoming less and less anti-green.
Yes many of these policies are ridiculous, but many have some semblance of credibility in them.
I understand where they are trying to get to, even if many of these policies would be unworkable or just plain daft.
however a vote for Green wouldn't be a vote for them to win really, at best it would give them a chance to be in a coalition.
at worst it would put them in a comfortable position above UKPI and the LDs in which they have to revise their policies so that all of them make sense and are workable.
Though I wouldn't vote for them currently I would be interested to see televised debates with them.
Then against I am in a very conservative seat with 4th place in 2010 going to BNP with UKIP and Greens trailing them.
Feel free to share any of them...Yes many of these policies are ridiculous, but many have some semblance of credibility in them.
I understand where they are trying to get to, even if many of these policies would be unworkable or just plain daft.
however a vote for Green wouldn't be a vote for them to win really, at best it would give them a chance to be in a coalition.
at worst it would put them in a comfortable position above UKPI and the LDs in which they have to revise their policies so that all of them make sense and are workable.
Though I wouldn't vote for them currently I would be interested to see televised debates with them.
Then against I am in a very conservative seat with 4th place in 2010 going to BNP with UKIP and Greens trailing them.
sidicks said:
Efbe said:
Thinking a bit more about the green paryt, I am becoming less and less anti-green.
Yes many of these policies are ridiculous, but many have some semblance of credibility in them.
I understand where they are trying to get to, even if many of these policies would be unworkable or just plain daft.
however a vote for Green wouldn't be a vote for them to win really, at best it would give them a chance to be in a coalition.
at worst it would put them in a comfortable position above UKPI and the LDs in which they have to revise their policies so that all of them make sense and are workable.
Though I wouldn't vote for them currently I would be interested to see televised debates with them.
Then against I am in a very conservative seat with 4th place in 2010 going to BNP with UKIP and Greens trailing them.
Feel free to share any of them...Yes many of these policies are ridiculous, but many have some semblance of credibility in them.
I understand where they are trying to get to, even if many of these policies would be unworkable or just plain daft.
however a vote for Green wouldn't be a vote for them to win really, at best it would give them a chance to be in a coalition.
at worst it would put them in a comfortable position above UKPI and the LDs in which they have to revise their policies so that all of them make sense and are workable.
Though I wouldn't vote for them currently I would be interested to see televised debates with them.
Then against I am in a very conservative seat with 4th place in 2010 going to BNP with UKIP and Greens trailing them.
Efbe said:
RYH64E said:
hairykrishna said:
Telegraph article quotes 240 to 280 billion. It's not clear how that's calculated.
Welfare plus pensions is already ~255 billion. Isn't that an average of £76.50 a week each?
But most of us currently get nothing, and the Green proposal is for the payment to be universal, plus no one's benefits will be going down, upward only.Welfare plus pensions is already ~255 billion. Isn't that an average of £76.50 a week each?
housing benefits
disability benefits
child benefit
child tax credits
pensions
PRTVR said:
hairykrishna said:
Telegraph article quotes 240 to 280 billion. It's not clear how that's calculated.
Welfare plus pensions is already ~255 billion. Isn't that an average of £76.50 a week each?
But will that mean a reduction in pension and welfare payments to £76.Welfare plus pensions is already ~255 billion. Isn't that an average of £76.50 a week each?
I can see the idea. Less admin. Nobody better off sitting around rather than working. I'd take some convincing that it adds up and actually works in the real world but I don't think it's flat out mental.
hairykrishna said:
PRTVR said:
hairykrishna said:
Telegraph article quotes 240 to 280 billion. It's not clear how that's calculated.
Welfare plus pensions is already ~255 billion. Isn't that an average of £76.50 a week each?
But will that mean a reduction in pension and welfare payments to £76.Welfare plus pensions is already ~255 billion. Isn't that an average of £76.50 a week each?
I can see the idea. Less admin. Nobody better off sitting around rather than working. I'd take some convincing that it adds up and actually works in the real world but I don't think it's flat out mental.
Negative Creep said:
Their manifesto sounds like it was written by Neil from the Young Ones
So like.....dig this man. We should take all the military bases and make them into, like, nature reserves. Oh man, that would be so mellow
Annoyingly for any green with the slightest power of logical thought the average UK base is a pretty good nature reserve and exercise areas are bloody brilliant; without the MoD hogging all that (usually prime agricultural)land it would be under the plough and sprayed with evil chemicals.So like.....dig this man. We should take all the military bases and make them into, like, nature reserves. Oh man, that would be so mellow
hairykrishna said:
I can see the idea. Less admin. Nobody better off sitting around rather than working. I'd take some convincing that it adds up and actually works in the real world but I don't think it's flat out mental.
It's flat out mental because it doesn't add up and work in the real world.Otherwise I'll stand for election on the platform of issuing everyone with a free pill which will keep them perfectly healthy until they are 114.
Saves the NHS a fortune, no need for sick pay, nobody sitting around being ill. Providing I can ignore where the pills come from in the real world that's a perfectly sensible proposal.
RYH64E said:
But most of us currently get nothing, and the Green proposal is for the payment to be universal, plus no one's benefits will be going down, upward only.
Did you miss the bit where EVERY tax payer will lose the personal allowance. So if you are in a double income relationshio and both 40% tax payers, that's £20,000 at 40% - £8k
The value of the £71 per week allowance - is about £7000 between you.
Will that mean you work less ?
Dr Jekyll said:
It's flat out mental because it doesn't add up and work in the real world.
The numbers don't seem too out of whack. "The Citizens Income Trust" propose £56.25 per week for 0-24 year olds, 25-64 year olds receiving £71 per week and those 65 and over get £142.70 per week. Apparently that would cost within a percent or two of our current Welfare/Pensions spend. More of a debate on if it's better or worse.I reserve the 'mental' tag for things like their energy policy where there's a great deal more wishful thinking involved in the sums.
hairykrishna said:
Dr Jekyll said:
It's flat out mental because it doesn't add up and work in the real world.
The numbers don't seem too out of whack. "The Citizens Income Trust" propose £56.25 per week for 0-24 year olds, 25-64 year olds receiving £71 per week and those 65 and over get £142.70 per week. Apparently that would cost within a percent or two of our current Welfare/Pensions spend. More of a debate on if it's better or worse.I reserve the 'mental' tag for things like their energy policy where there's a great deal more wishful thinking involved in the sums.
I was actually quite interested in the Green party - on some of the local issues, ideas they had appeared quite good, and they seemed engaged at a local level, with a leader that came across quite well.....then this.
What the hell have they been smoking? It's beyond lunacy - and just seems to show that trying to lead any kind of normal life while trying to be Green is pretty much impossible. As seems to be the mantra of local councils - if it's green it costs a fortune therefore everything else should be cut back to fund it!!
How about - promoting innovation and looking to make the UK a centre of excellence for new technology and energy systems - that can be sold around the world - be experts in a competitive and forward thinking country striving for wealth and a better future. Nope - in order to be green we must stop developing and all cut back on everything........They seem to forget we are small island and don't have that much of an impact compared to - The States, Canada, Russia, India, China, Brazil, Mexico, Japan - to name just a few. We can't fix everything in the world by reversing the UK's living standards.
Other great ideas - in a time of more political uncertainty, when Russia is flexing it's mussels, China for the first time is starting to eye up expanding it's territories with a very new and heavily invested in armed forces - and instability in the Middle East, we'll cut back our forces - and stand alone outside of NATO!
Allowing the population to keep swelling, but pull out of the EU, and allow people to openly be members of ISIS and Al-Qaeda, because it's their right - and tolerance is key to what they believe (as long as they don't incite hatred), the security services would love that, if they kept them.
I hope the mainstream pick up on this and they are properly discredited for putting something so totally daft - having actually seemed like a reasonable alternative - which they clearly aren't!! Really fed up with this - it does actually seem the main parties are annoyingly the ones that do kind of get what most normal people actually want - hence the constant switching between Labour/Conservative governments.
What the hell have they been smoking? It's beyond lunacy - and just seems to show that trying to lead any kind of normal life while trying to be Green is pretty much impossible. As seems to be the mantra of local councils - if it's green it costs a fortune therefore everything else should be cut back to fund it!!
How about - promoting innovation and looking to make the UK a centre of excellence for new technology and energy systems - that can be sold around the world - be experts in a competitive and forward thinking country striving for wealth and a better future. Nope - in order to be green we must stop developing and all cut back on everything........They seem to forget we are small island and don't have that much of an impact compared to - The States, Canada, Russia, India, China, Brazil, Mexico, Japan - to name just a few. We can't fix everything in the world by reversing the UK's living standards.
Other great ideas - in a time of more political uncertainty, when Russia is flexing it's mussels, China for the first time is starting to eye up expanding it's territories with a very new and heavily invested in armed forces - and instability in the Middle East, we'll cut back our forces - and stand alone outside of NATO!
Allowing the population to keep swelling, but pull out of the EU, and allow people to openly be members of ISIS and Al-Qaeda, because it's their right - and tolerance is key to what they believe (as long as they don't incite hatred), the security services would love that, if they kept them.
I hope the mainstream pick up on this and they are properly discredited for putting something so totally daft - having actually seemed like a reasonable alternative - which they clearly aren't!! Really fed up with this - it does actually seem the main parties are annoyingly the ones that do kind of get what most normal people actually want - hence the constant switching between Labour/Conservative governments.
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