That Lunancy from the Greens in Full...

[Andy Zarse]

McWigglebum4th said:

Gargamel said:

Assume the Green position for a moment,

Every Egg, Chicken Breast, Rolled Joint of Roast Beef and such will now need to be locally sourced, Free Range.

How much land would be required to maintain current consumption? if every beastie that is eaten on a DAILY basis, needed to be free range. ( I am assuming, that no importation of meat would be allowed )

I would be willing to bet, it is more than the available land in the UK

We could easily support the UK population using UK only farmland under the green party policies

Mainly because most folk would either be dead or will of left

Absolutely spot on. They want unlimited immigration and will give folk free money for doing nothing, yet they are aiming for a reduced population. A total contradiction.

AS to folk leaving, I will be amongst them especially if you don't stop saying of instead of have! I swear you do it deliberately!

[Maxf]

edh said:

I think the notion of a society where families don't need 2 earners flogging themselves just in order to survive would be a good thing. There's more to life than work.

Completely agree. However, they seem to want the result without any credible way of getting to it.

It strikes me that the easiest way to increase household 'wealth' and reduce the need for flogging to death is to cut costs - by that I mean that many of the things people (including me) covet, such as a newish car, phone, fancy laptop, lattes for wandering around, holidays etc are what holds us back and keeps us on the hamster wheel. Of course we want these things as a reward for working hard, but we work had to pay for these things. I dont think making us all live in mud huts is the answer though.

[Andy Zarse]

edh said:

whoami said:

edh said:

The Telegraph article is ridiculous.

Which parts?

I think the notion of a society where families don't need 2 earners flogging themselves just in order to survive would be a good thing. There's more to life than work.

Well then I suggest you or your missus should pack in work and live a hand to mouth existence to see how you like it.

If you think any of their rubbish ideas will lead to happier stress-free lives you are much mistaken, unless of course you think we should divide into morlocks or brainless, ambitionless eloi in the Green's H G Wellsian dystopian future.

[Dr Jekyll]

I see they intend to ban the building of new runways, can anyone remember the last time a runway was built in the UK?

[iphonedyou]

edh said:

The Telegraph article is ridiculous. Presumably because they now see the Greens as a threat rather than an irrelevance. I look forward to their caricature of the UKIP manifesto when it arrives.

Genuine question; where does the idea that because one entity is lampooning another, the former must feel under threat from the latter?

It's patently bks.

I can say your posts on this thread are ridiculous, not because I feel under threat but because they are.

[ellroy]

Dr Jekyll said:

I see they intend to ban the building of new runways, can anyone remember the last time a runway was built in the UK?

Huzzah! A political party sticking to its word for once.

[nikaiyo2]

LMAO I thought the Telegraph article was a joke, then I followed the link to the GP website...
You have to think that the 11% who intend to vote green have no idea of their policies, if not god help us.

[edh]

Andy Zarse said:

edh said:

whoami said:

edh said:

The Telegraph article is ridiculous.

Which parts?

I think the notion of a society where families don't need 2 earners flogging themselves just in order to survive would be a good thing. There's more to life than work.

Well then I suggest you or your missus should pack in work and live a hand to mouth existence to see how you like it.

If you think any of their rubbish ideas will lead to happier stress-free lives you are much mistaken, unless of course you think we should divide into morlocks or brainless, ambitionless eloi in the Green's H G Wellsian dystopian future.

My wife works part time. I work for myself, so my hours vary considerably (so at least I'm only robbing myself when I post on PH in working hours..). I have time to do some voluntary work, I can spend my time getting oily underneath my cars if I choose. I much prefer this to a full time employed job.

Sure we could earn more money by changing our lifestyle, but actually, we're doing OK thanks..and avoiding hand to mouth lifestyles.

I don't like their "rubbish" ideas, but I do like some of their good ones

[anonymous-user]

Reading that Green stuff brings to mind the world of the Eloi and the Morlocks in HG Wells' The Time Machine (ETA: Damn! Andy Zarse beat me to it!), or some lesser planet visited by the Enterprise in a fill-in episode of Star Trek. Some sort of ostensibly pre-industrial agrarian and peaceful society in which money has no place and people work to better themselves (nod to Gene Roddenberry for the economic model) but with a highly advanced and totally clean energy source that runs itself.

Not in a good, I hasten to add.

Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 20th January 11:46

[eharding]

Dr Jekyll said:

I see they intend to ban the building of new runways, can anyone remember the last time a runway was built in the UK?

Sywell, 2010? Colonsay ~2006, I think. There may well be others.

[eccles]

VeeDubBigBird said:

The green party, have an important role in todays political system.

They act as a drain for all the weirdos that would otherwise be entering ones of the other parties.

I thought UKIP had taken over that mantle in more recent times....

[Andy Zarse]

edh said:

I don't like their "rubbish" ideas, but I do like some of their good ones

It seems me you can't have the "good ideas", particularly regarding lifestyle, without taking onboard most of the rubbish ones.

Insanities like HS2 are of course a binary decision. Lifestyle combined with social/economic/fiscal/monetary policies much less so. It's a package to reach a desired end.

[nikaiyo2]

edh said:

Actually it would have a very positive effect on housing - which you'd realise if you understood the principles of Land value tax. That raging commie Milton Friedman described it as the "least worst tax".

The Telegraph article is ridiculous. Presumably because they now see the Greens as a threat rather than an irrelevance. I look forward to their caricature of the UKIP manifesto when it arrives.

I won't be voting Green. Some of their ideas are odd, some will be mainstream in a few years. They want to scrap HS2 and Trident - I agree with both of those.

Its utter fking drivel.

Here is a better manifesto... http://viz.co.uk/ at least its better than nothing.

[Mr_B]

I think there's more than a few on here arguing the toss on the Ukip thread about policy matters being singular and pie in the sky etc, who'll secretly be voting green and not applying quite the same scrutiny. Stand up and be counted.

[hairykrishna]

It's not really in full is it? It's basically a lazy propaganda article presenting various policies in the worst way he can manage. There are plenty of crazy unworkable schemes to be found in the greens policies. Even so I think people would probably be better off actually reading the document itself rather than summaries of those ideas the Telegraph judges the most 'radical'.

[Rude-boy]

Greg66 said:

Reading that Green stuff brings to mind the world of the Eloi and the Morlocks in HG Wells' The Time Machine, or some lesser planet visited by the Enterprise in a fill-in episode of Star Trek. Some sort of ostensibly pre-industrial agrarian and peaceful society in which money has no place and people work to better themselves (nod to Gene Roddenberry for the economic model) but with a highly advanced and totally clean energy source that runs itself.

Not in a good, I hasten to add.

And the end game always reveals one person in control of everyone else either directly or via their chosen medium.

Mrs is very keen on limiting impact on the environment but wouldn't ever vote Green if you paid her to. Like another couple of causes she believed in once upon a time, strip away the shouty 'message' and look at the intent of those behind it. Greens are Communists reinvented for the post Cold War era.

[dandarez]

Dr Jekyll said:

I see they intend to ban the building of new runways, can anyone remember the last time a runway was built in the UK?

To give an idea, I recall the 'extending' of a runway. This was by the Yanks - by 3,000 feet, the runway at Brize Norton - when the USAF SAC occupied the base and this was in the year that the first B52's began landing there.

So, the answer when was the last time a runway* was built in the UK?

Before I was born!

• Meaning 'airport' runways, not 'airfield' ones, of which there has been several.

Edited by dandarez on Tuesday 20th January 12:06

[Andy Zarse]

hairykrishna said:

It's not really in full is it? It's basically a lazy propaganda article presenting various policies in the worst way he can manage. There are plenty of crazy unworkable schemes to be found in the greens policies. Even so I think people would probably be better off actually reading the document itself rather than summaries of those ideas the Telegraph judges the most 'radical'.

You mean like you consider the pros and cons of UKIP's stance on leaving the EU? Or do you just scream "xenophobe" rather than engaging in an economic debate?

[aw51 121565]

Guybrush said:

They're thinly disguised communists. Beware.

Melons.


Green on the outside, but very very red on the inside.

[Otispunkmeyer]

Gargamel said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/green-par...

Includes such gems as

Large Schools with more than 700 pupils broken up and "localised"
Inheritance tax to apply to all transfers of wealth between generations.
£71 a week for everybody.
Remove VAT and replaced with a tax calculated on environmental damage
Aim for no economic growth ever again.

I already know what they are smoking, as they plan to legalise that too !

Ok so that will force people into buying lesser damaging goods...perhaps more local made goods. But then what happens to the tax take and where will the money for £71/week to one and all come from.... oh right yeah! Narnia!