That Lunancy from the Greens in Full...

[Dr Jekyll]

McWigglebum4th said:

Forest schools to teach townies about trees and stuff is an excellent idea

City schools to teach Greens the basics of economics would be an even better idea.

[Halb]

Typical Mail article? The article itself states, 'sentient' creatures and then lists them; dolphins, whales, apes and elephants, but shows a picture of a mouse and then mentions rodents?

[darren f]

McWigglebum4th said:

A grand a sq meter isn't an unrealistic price per square meter for a low to medium quality house

So making flats you could charge 60K each and still make a profit

£1000/m2 is a 'pipe dream' for house builds I would suggest. Particularly in this modern age of Code for Sustainable Homes compliance and enhanced Building Regs to reduce CO2 emissions etc. Even more the case in London / SE builds, where we are finding more and more sites are 'less than ideal' i.e. compromised in some way. You could drive down costs to somewhere in that ballpark if it were system-build flats on ideal sites, but it would have to be pretty low-spec stuff.

[98elise]

darren f said:

McWigglebum4th said:

A grand a sq meter isn't an unrealistic price per square meter for a low to medium quality house

So making flats you could charge 60K each and still make a profit

£1000/m2 is a 'pipe dream' for house builds I would suggest. Particularly in this modern age of Code for Sustainable Homes compliance and enhanced Building Regs to reduce CO2 emissions etc. Even more the case in London / SE builds, where we are finding more and more sites are 'less than ideal' i.e. compromised in some way. You could drive down costs to somewhere in that ballpark if it were system-build flats on ideal sites, but it would have to be pretty low-spec stuff.

I managed a 45sqm extension to my house for 35k, and that included decoration and wool carpets.

That was one inexperienced client, and a local builder. I suspect the big companies can do significantly better with economies of scale.

[Scuffers]

darren f said:

McWigglebum4th said:

A grand a sq meter isn't an unrealistic price per square meter for a low to medium quality house

So making flats you could charge 60K each and still make a profit

£1000/m2 is a 'pipe dream' for house builds I would suggest. Particularly in this modern age of Code for Sustainable Homes compliance and enhanced Building Regs to reduce CO2 emissions etc. Even more the case in London / SE builds, where we are finding more and more sites are 'less than ideal' i.e. compromised in some way. You could drive down costs to somewhere in that ballpark if it were system-build flats on ideal sites, but it would have to be pretty low-spec stuff.

and that still ignore the problem of whose land you build them on and how you pay for said land.

Hate to say it (AGAIN!) the reason we have a housing crisis is because of the massive rise in population, mostly caused by uncontrolled immigration.

2014 alone, some 103,900 NI numbers issued to incoming Romanians (and another 31,500 to Bulgarians).

where do you think all these are going to live?

(for completeness, some 591,000 NiNo's were handed out in 2014 to EU migrants into the UK)

[anonymous-user]

I can guarantee that a "Green" house, could not be built for £1000/m2.

Firstly, because they would be putting in all the green tech that you won't find in normal "affordable" housing, and secondly, because they would be built by the government.

[RYH64E]

98elise said:

I managed a 45sqm extension to my house for 35k, and that included decoration and wool carpets.

That was one inexperienced client, and a local builder. I suspect the big companies can do significantly better with economies of scale.

The big ticket items tend to be central heating, kitchen and bathroom. If your extension didn't need extensive plumbing/drainage works, or expensive kitchen/bathroom units, or a new central heating system, the price will always be lower.

[gruffalo]

98elise said:

darren f said:

McWigglebum4th said:

A grand a sq meter isn't an unrealistic price per square meter for a low to medium quality house

So making flats you could charge 60K each and still make a profit

£1000/m2 is a 'pipe dream' for house builds I would suggest. Particularly in this modern age of Code for Sustainable Homes compliance and enhanced Building Regs to reduce CO2 emissions etc. Even more the case in London / SE builds, where we are finding more and more sites are 'less than ideal' i.e. compromised in some way. You could drive down costs to somewhere in that ballpark if it were system-build flats on ideal sites, but it would have to be pretty low-spec stuff.

I managed a 45sqm extension to my house for 35k, and that included decoration and wool carpets.

That was one inexperienced client, and a local builder. I suspect the big companies can do significantly better with economies of scale.

How much would it have cost to buy a building plot to put the building on?

[McWigglebum4th]

gruffalo said:

How much would it have cost to buy a building plot to put the building on?

You think the greens would "buy" the land needed to build on

No they would merely take the land

Preferably from rich people

[Scuffers]

McWigglebum4th said:

gruffalo said:

How much would it have cost to buy a building plot to put the building on?

You think the greens would "buy" the land needed to build on

No they would merely take the land

Preferably from rich people

define rich?

the reality is they will just steal land of farmers and pension funds.

[McWigglebum4th]

Scuffers said:

McWigglebum4th said:

gruffalo said:

How much would it have cost to buy a building plot to put the building on?

You think the greens would "buy" the land needed to build on

No they would merely take the land

Preferably from rich people

define rich?

the reality is they will just steal land of farmers and pension funds.

Why take perfectly suitable land from a farmer when you can have a rich persons completely unsuitable back garden

[turbobloke]

McWigglebum4th said:

Scuffers said:

McWigglebum4th said:

gruffalo said:

How much would it have cost to buy a building plot to put the building on?

You think the greens would "buy" the land needed to build on

No they would merely take the land

Preferably from rich people

define rich?

the reality is they will just steal land of farmers and pension funds.

Why take perfectly suitable land from a farmer when you can have a rich persons completely unsuitable back garden

Quite possibly because it's already covered in windymills.

See Sheffield & Co.

[Scuffers]

McWigglebum4th said:

Why take perfectly suitable land from a farmer when you can have a rich persons completely unsuitable back garden

Ah, so we should build housing estates behind buck palace then?

or perhaps in the grounds of all our stately homes?

Hell, what's wrong with just concreting over the countryside?

[McWigglebum4th]

Scuffers said:

McWigglebum4th said:

Why take perfectly suitable land from a farmer when you can have a rich persons completely unsuitable back garden

Ah, so we should build housing estates behind buck palace then?

or perhaps in the grounds of all our stately homes?

The greens approve of this idea

[Scuffers]

You can.just see it, New london slums created, like we don't already have enough.

[Crush]

Have they mentioned their plans for taxation on transport yet?

[McWigglebum4th]

Crush said:

Have they mentioned their plans for taxation on transport yet?

How would you tax a donkey?

[turbobloke]

McWigglebum4th said:

Crush said:

Have they mentioned their plans for taxation on transport yet?

How would you tax a donkey?

Employ lots of highly paid and well-pensioned state workers to investigate the methane production of the national donkey fleet in order to introduce a Fart Tax, this will save the planet and pay for the NHS and lots of cheap houses.

[hornetrider]

Greens accept 300k donation from tax evading Vivienne Westwood, in a move of breathtaking hypocrisy. I wonder if they'll pay it back.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/green-par...

[turbobloke]

hornetrider said:

Greens accept 300k donation from tax evading Vivienne Westwood, in a move of breathtaking hypocrisy. I wonder if they'll pay it back.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/green-par...

She's not the first wealthy showbiz fool to be duped, regardless of any intelligence, by the false green god - and she won't be the last.