Another cyclist dies in London
Discussion
heebeegeetee said:
But so many motorists go through red lights themselves (and certainly amber stop lights) that as per usual, those pissed off motorists are just practicing the usual massive hypocrisy.
I don't think anyone is saying motorist don't jump red lights and yes there are rubbish drivers out there.I see motorists jump lights but not like in the following link.
http://youtu.be/3JasTBbL_1U
braddo said:
...the majority of London cyclists (certainly commuters) are not drivers...
[Citation Needed]Cyclists in the UK are more likely to hold a driving licence than the average adult. The majority of London cycle commuters hold a driving licence, even if perhaps they don't currently own a car.
Mr Will said:
[Citation Needed]
Cyclists in the UK are more likely to hold a driving licence than the average adult. The majority of London cycle commuters hold a driving licence, even if perhaps they don't currently own a car.
Given the huge proportion of London commuting cyclists that are male, white-collar workers, I would be amazed if it isn't a clear majority that do have driving licences.Cyclists in the UK are more likely to hold a driving licence than the average adult. The majority of London cycle commuters hold a driving licence, even if perhaps they don't currently own a car.
dick_turpin said:
Digby said:
Randy Winkman said:
And the vehicle that I saw blatantly jump a red light in Victoria St SW1 about 2 hours ago was ...... a truck. More specifically a waste truck. You'd have thought them lot would've learned by now. I wish I could remember the company name on the back ...... 3 initials.
There are those who quickly dive through a fresh red and then there are those who don't care that their is a red.How long it has been red means nothing to them.I'll take a nanosecond after the red cheeky jump over weaving through crossing pedestrians, trying to find a suitable gap whilst making them stop dead in their tracks any day.
For me to give you a more precise answer, I would have had to witness motorised vehicles jumping red lights ten, twenty or thirty + seconds after they have changed.During my near thirty years of motoring, I think I have seen that happen three or four times (often followed my a police car).Yet I can see this happen with dozens of cyclists at any random set of lights, on any random road, during a five minute period.
Perhaps my suggestion explains why I saw police officers jumping out from behind a tree not so long ago as they forced cyclists to stop due to completely ignoring the lights.Even as they stood getting a grilling, dozens more sailed on through.Wash, rinse, repeat.It was quite entertaining and went on for over an hour.
Anyway, yes, given the above, they undeniably pose more of a problem.
Ghibli said:
heebeegeetee said:
But so many motorists go through red lights themselves (and certainly amber stop lights) that as per usual, those pissed off motorists are just practicing the usual massive hypocrisy.
I don't think anyone is saying motorist don't jump red lights and yes there are rubbish drivers out there.I see motorists jump lights but not like in the following link.
http://youtu.be/3JasTBbL_1U
Before you say it hasn't helped car drivers think about it this way, would you like to think what the roads would be like if no one took any type of test?
I do & in a word it's called India
ZX10R NIN said:
There will be crap riders & drivers, end of but I do think cyclists commuting in should get proper compulsory training, because as with driving there will be good & bad cyclists but training will help reduce that number.
Before you say it hasn't helped car drivers think about it this way, would you like to think what the roads would be like if no one took any type of test?
I do & in a word it's called India
Before you say it hasn't helped car drivers think about it this way, would you like to think what the roads would be like if no one took any type of test?
I do & in a word it's called India
heebeegeetee said:
More of what problem? If they jumped off and ran alongside they'd be legal, so does anybody really care whether they're on the bike or not?
If they jumped of and turned into pedestrians they may want to use the crossings provided. This way there is less chance of getting hit by a motorist or a cyclist. I don't understand why people think cyclists are exempt from the HC.
yellowjack said:
The riding down a bus lane thing, though? You can f
k right off.
Sorry, didn't know it was such a tetchy subject. I bet you'd me more upset if I joined you on my motorbike, we don't like sitting in traffic either, I could even help you a long with a gentle push if you like?k right off.ZX10R NIN said:
There will be crap riders & drivers, end of but I do think cyclists commuting in should get proper compulsory training, because as with driving there will be good & bad cyclists but training will help reduce that number.
Before you say it hasn't helped car drivers think about it this way, would you like to think what the roads would be like if no one took any type of test?
I do & in a word it's called India
It'll reduce the numbers because they'll switch to driving...Before you say it hasn't helped car drivers think about it this way, would you like to think what the roads would be like if no one took any type of test?
I do & in a word it's called India
Personally I think I'll switch to a steam roller.
heebeegeetee said:
Digby said:
Anyway, yes, given the above, they undeniably pose more of a problem.
More of what problem? If they jumped off and ran alongside they'd be legal, so does anybody really care whether they're on the bike or not?budgie smuggler said:
croyde said:
Did anyone see "An Hour to Save Your Life" on BBC2 last night?
One of the cases was the the German girl who got killed by a Tipper Truck at Ludgate Circus last year. If you don't want to see the result of cyclist getting run over by a lorry, don't watch it.
Very sobering and just shows how vulnerable cyclists are. Watching the paramedics and the trauma team battling to save her brought me to tears. The paramedic on the scene even resorted to open heart massage in a desperate bid to keep her alive.
The poor girl lived another 3 days but never regained consciousness.
Drivers and riders, just be careful out there.
Cheers, just caught that on iPlayer. Incredible work by the paramedics/doctors. One of the cases was the the German girl who got killed by a Tipper Truck at Ludgate Circus last year. If you don't want to see the result of cyclist getting run over by a lorry, don't watch it.
Very sobering and just shows how vulnerable cyclists are. Watching the paramedics and the trauma team battling to save her brought me to tears. The paramedic on the scene even resorted to open heart massage in a desperate bid to keep her alive.
The poor girl lived another 3 days but never regained consciousness.
Drivers and riders, just be careful out there.
If a cyclist were to watch that I bet they'd never undertake a lorry again. Wonder why no moped and motorbike riders do that . . . ?
saaby93 said:
What goes on here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZpOMaRoWmw
Not really anything more to add to this thread, but make that video a compulsory ad before every youtube clip and run it on TV ten times a day, then maybe there is some hope.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZpOMaRoWmw
braddo said:
Mr Will said:
[Citation Needed]
Cyclists in the UK are more likely to hold a driving licence than the average adult. The majority of London cycle commuters hold a driving licence, even if perhaps they don't currently own a car.
Given the huge proportion of London commuting cyclists that are male, white-collar workers, I would be amazed if it isn't a clear majority that do have driving licences.Cyclists in the UK are more likely to hold a driving licence than the average adult. The majority of London cycle commuters hold a driving licence, even if perhaps they don't currently own a car.
Digby said:
I don't care.If they want to put themselves under a back axle, annoy other drivers, other sensible cyclists & the police and punt the odd unaware pedestrian a few feet up the road during their 20+ mph red light ignoring sessions, it's really up to them.I'm in the fortunate position that I will never, ever come off worse.
I don't care that much either. I've little doubt that because of the near-total lack of infrastructure afforded to cyclists, and our piss-poor abilities as drivers, we are getting the cyclists we deserve.The thrice weekly threads on here about cyclists aren't because people care though, there's just plain, rank Daily Mail-type numptyism going on. *Most* of the threads exist because drivers who don't know the HC feel the need to berate the cyclists who don't know it either.
Fair enough, but it's the drivers who are far likely to harm to others and in my book that's worse than doing harm to yourself.
ZX10R NIN said:
Just because you have a driving licence that does not mean you can competently ride a push bike trust me I've seen car drivers get out of a Porsche & then fail the basic CBT test.
Cycling starts sometime earlier in most cases...about 5 years old. You'd exoect a slight difference in the tests given that one has an engine and the other is pedal powered.croyde said:
Did anyone see "An Hour to Save Your Life" on BBC2 last night?
One of the cases was the the German girl who got killed by a Tipper Truck at Ludgate Circus last year. If you don't want to see the result of cyclist getting run over by a lorry, don't watch it.
Very sobering and just shows how vulnerable cyclists are. Watching the paramedics and the trauma team battling to save her brought me to tears. The paramedic on the scene even resorted to open heart massage in a desperate bid to keep her alive.
The poor girl lived another 3 days but never regained consciousness.
Drivers and riders, just be careful out there.
That was hard to watch but shows how fantastic emergency treatment is today. A sobering thought is that that lorry was unladen or lightly loaded and caused catastrophic injuries. A fully loaded lorry would mean instant death. Stay away from these things.One of the cases was the the German girl who got killed by a Tipper Truck at Ludgate Circus last year. If you don't want to see the result of cyclist getting run over by a lorry, don't watch it.
Very sobering and just shows how vulnerable cyclists are. Watching the paramedics and the trauma team battling to save her brought me to tears. The paramedic on the scene even resorted to open heart massage in a desperate bid to keep her alive.
The poor girl lived another 3 days but never regained consciousness.
Drivers and riders, just be careful out there.
yonex said:
Cycling starts sometime earlier in most cases...about 5 years old. You'd exoect a slight difference in the tests given that one has an engine and the other is pedal powered.
Yes it does but as stated earlier I'm talking about people who are commuting into London being made to take some form of proper training made to wear Helmets & have some form of Insurance. Accidents happen I've been knocked off of my motorbike by a cyclist jumping a red light, I've seen cyclists ride into cars Vans etc also it means as a cyclist you have legal cover if you're injured & can pursue a claim with no hassle.Haulage Companies Bus Companies have been made to spend 1000's on extra training & equipment for their Vehicles so now I think the time has come for cyclists to put themselves out & accept some regulation.
Most people can ride a push bike but riding one competently in the city is a completely different thing.
heebeegeetee said:
The thrice weekly threads on here about cyclists aren't because people care though, there's just plain, rank Daily Mail-type numptyism going on. *Most* of the threads exist because drivers who don't know the HC feel the need to berate the cyclists who don't know it either.
No not really.Most people just want the roads to be safe, and have a feeling they know what's making them unsafe
Anyway back to topic, what do you thinks leading to cycling deaths in London. I posted a video about half a page ago, which shows how a cyclist proved how to stay safe around a tipper truck, even though the driver and another cyclist thought theyd had their chips
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