Another cyclist dies in London
Discussion
Willy Nilly said:
Are tipper and skip lorries over represented in the number of deaths, or are there a higher percentage of tippers and skip lorries?
My gut feeling is that these types of lorries are in the main driven by apes.
I cant believe youve just posted that in this thread My gut feeling is that these types of lorries are in the main driven by apes.
There's a poor guy somewhere who's just had a cyclist end up under his wheels and there's a family of the cyclist too
Neither party set out for it to happen
Have a bit of remorse
See what Mr gear said about following a number of trucks and without anything too untoward or he might have mentioned it
Same for most cyclists too
shakotan said:
Mr Gear said:
If even good drivers cannot operate them safely, they shouldn't be on the road... right?
It's as logical to take the trucks off the road as it is to take the cyclists off the road.heebeegeetee said:
But you can't look in all of them at once, and 5 seconds is a hell of a long time to not be looking where you are going.
Some of them you don't need to look at whilst going along, the one looking over the front for example, it is safe to presume that you would have seen anyone approaching from in front whilst you are moving. The side ones which you need to look in regularly are the same as looking in your car, it takes 2 seconds maybe to look at those.zimzoom said:
Splitpin2008 said:
How many eyes does a truck driver have?
Answer; no more than two, like everyone else.
How many mirrors, can you look at, at anyone time, as well as looking out the windscreen?
What I'm saying is, no matter how many mirrors one has, you cannot be looking in all of them at once!
If they have the up to date standard number of mirrors, it takes over 5 seconds to look in all of them properly!Answer; no more than two, like everyone else.
How many mirrors, can you look at, at anyone time, as well as looking out the windscreen?
What I'm saying is, no matter how many mirrors one has, you cannot be looking in all of them at once!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzL0Kyk4m-8&fe...
zimzoom said:
Some of them you don't need to look at whilst going along, the one looking over the front for example, it is safe to presume that you would have seen anyone approaching from in front whilst you are moving. The side ones which you need to look in regularly are the same as looking in your car, it takes 2 seconds maybe to look at those.
I think you're wrong, but aside from that, how do you know all this?Whoever is to blame, the fact is that riding next to a lorry at a junction in particular is not a good place to be. A wise cyclist, who is more maneuverable would get the hell out of dodge, using either the pavement or more controversially the brakes.
Let's face facts. Would you prefer to be behind the lorry, or in the right and dead.
Let's face facts. Would you prefer to be behind the lorry, or in the right and dead.
Europa1 said:
zimzoom said:
Splitpin2008 said:
How many eyes does a truck driver have?
Answer; no more than two, like everyone else.
How many mirrors, can you look at, at anyone time, as well as looking out the windscreen?
What I'm saying is, no matter how many mirrors one has, you cannot be looking in all of them at once!
If they have the up to date standard number of mirrors, it takes over 5 seconds to look in all of them properly!Answer; no more than two, like everyone else.
How many mirrors, can you look at, at anyone time, as well as looking out the windscreen?
What I'm saying is, no matter how many mirrors one has, you cannot be looking in all of them at once!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzL0Kyk4m-8&fe...
JQ said:
shakotan said:
Mr Gear said:
If even good drivers cannot operate them safely, they shouldn't be on the road... right?
It's as logical to take the trucks off the road as it is to take the cyclists off the road.JQ said:
I'm not sure I follow the logic - how many truck drivers have been killed by cyclists?
How many Motorcyclists have been killed on London's roads in the last year? I don't see motorcyclists asking for other vehicles to be banned. The answer to the first question is 22 compared to 12 cyclists all lives are important but this has to be looked at logically not emotionally.It doesn't matter that more of one group has died than another, it's not the number that have been killed it's the fact that everyone has to use the road, & you can't ban any as they're all needed.
I feel all cycle lanes should be raised to pavement level that way the cyclist doesn't have to interact with all motor vehicles.
When reaching junctions cyclists should cross like pedestrians (this would be on the grounds of safety) that way lessening the chance of serious injury or death.
Cyclists commuting everyday should have insurance capped to a maximum of £80.00 per year, this gives the cyclist legal cover should he or she be injured, bike damaged or if they happen to damage a vehicle knock over a pedestrian etc they just give their details & everyone can be on their way.
These are just suggestions but I feel they are a logical way of improving road safety & more importantly these are things that can be done quickly & not at great cost to us the Tax Payer.
Edited by ZX10R NIN on Friday 23 January 15:14
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms/documents/cas...
65 pedestrians
12 cycles
22 motorbikes
26 car (inc taxi)
5 others bus truck etc
Does that help show which is safer?
ZX10R NIN said:
How many Motorcyclists have been killed on London's roads in the last year? I don't see motorcyclists asking for other vehicles to be banned. The answer to the first question is 27 compared to 17 cyclists all lives are important but this has to be looked at logically not emotionally.
It doesn't matter, it's not the number that have been killed it's the fact that both have to use the road, & you can't ban either as they're both needed.
I feel all cycle lanes should be raised to pavement level that way the cyclist doesn't have to interact with all motor vehicles.
When reaching junctions cyclists should cross like pedestrians (this would be on the grounds of safety) that way lessening the chance of serious injury or death.
Cyclists commuting everyday should have insurance capped to a maximum of £80.00 per year, this gives the cyclist legal cover should he or she be injured, bike damaged or if they happen to damage a vehicle knock over a pedestrian etc they just give their details & everyone can be on their way.
These are just suggestions but I feel they are a logical way of improving road safety & more importantly these are things that can be done quickly & not at great cost to us the Tax Payer.
You want us to stop at every junction, get off, and wheel the bike across on the pedestrian phase?It doesn't matter, it's not the number that have been killed it's the fact that both have to use the road, & you can't ban either as they're both needed.
I feel all cycle lanes should be raised to pavement level that way the cyclist doesn't have to interact with all motor vehicles.
When reaching junctions cyclists should cross like pedestrians (this would be on the grounds of safety) that way lessening the chance of serious injury or death.
Cyclists commuting everyday should have insurance capped to a maximum of £80.00 per year, this gives the cyclist legal cover should he or she be injured, bike damaged or if they happen to damage a vehicle knock over a pedestrian etc they just give their details & everyone can be on their way.
These are just suggestions but I feel they are a logical way of improving road safety & more importantly these are things that can be done quickly & not at great cost to us the Tax Payer.
p
s off.v12Legs said:
ZX10R NIN said:
How many Motorcyclists have been killed on London's roads in the last year? I don't see motorcyclists asking for other vehicles to be banned. The answer to the first question is 27 compared to 17 cyclists all lives are important but this has to be looked at logically not emotionally.
It doesn't matter, it's not the number that have been killed it's the fact that both have to use the road, & you can't ban either as they're both needed.
I feel all cycle lanes should be raised to pavement level that way the cyclist doesn't have to interact with all motor vehicles.
When reaching junctions cyclists should cross like pedestrians (this would be on the grounds of safety) that way lessening the chance of serious injury or death.
Cyclists commuting everyday should have insurance capped to a maximum of £80.00 per year, this gives the cyclist legal cover should he or she be injured, bike damaged or if they happen to damage a vehicle knock over a pedestrian etc they just give their details & everyone can be on their way.
These are just suggestions but I feel they are a logical way of improving road safety & more importantly these are things that can be done quickly & not at great cost to us the Tax Payer.
You want us to stop at every junction, get off, and wheel the bike across on the pedestrian phase?It doesn't matter, it's not the number that have been killed it's the fact that both have to use the road, & you can't ban either as they're both needed.
I feel all cycle lanes should be raised to pavement level that way the cyclist doesn't have to interact with all motor vehicles.
When reaching junctions cyclists should cross like pedestrians (this would be on the grounds of safety) that way lessening the chance of serious injury or death.
Cyclists commuting everyday should have insurance capped to a maximum of £80.00 per year, this gives the cyclist legal cover should he or she be injured, bike damaged or if they happen to damage a vehicle knock over a pedestrian etc they just give their details & everyone can be on their way.
These are just suggestions but I feel they are a logical way of improving road safety & more importantly these are things that can be done quickly & not at great cost to us the Tax Payer.
p
s off.By the way no need to swear, state an opinion by all means but why be abusive it gives the impression you have nothing constructive to say which I'm sure isn't the case.
v12Legs said:
You want us to stop at every junction, get off, and wheel the bike across on the pedestrian phase?
ps off.
You want to play the game of the red light being optional?p
s off.Probably not, me neither. There is NO good reason for deliberately jumping a red light.
I await the whataboutery.
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