Another cyclist dies in London

[saaby93]

Ghibli said:

http://youtu.be/vmAVycQX1lE

That's what I was thinking of.



Like in a previous video the cyclist has followed other cyclists in front who may think they know what they're doing, but this one may not. Is one type of cyclist misleading others?
You can see afterwards the cyclist turns right while the truck indicates and turns left, both this time coming to no harm.

However compare it to the camera guy and the quiet guy above, both waiting in turn, the type of cylist we dont hear much about.

Edited by saaby93 on Thursday 16th July 12:17

[Cotty]

Nearly got hit by a cyclist this morning crossing the road, just stepping across the traffic island and a bike rode the wrong side of the island nearly colecting me.

[Mr Will]

I'd rather be collected by a cyclist than by the Addison Lee driver who forced me off the road yesterday. There are idiots using all forms of transport, but some are significantly more dangerous than others.

[heebeegeetee]

Cotty said:

Nearly got hit by a cyclist this morning crossing the road, just stepping across the traffic island and a bike rode the wrong side of the island nearly colecting me.

I have to say that under my dictatorship we'd probably have strict liability, but that would also cover collisions between cyclists and pedestrians where fault would automatically be apportioned to the cyclist if the bike had no bell.

[Digby]

saaby93 said:

Ghibli said:

http://youtu.be/vmAVycQX1lE

That's what I was thinking of.



Like in a previous video the cyclist has followed other cyclists in front who may think they know what they're doing, but this one may not. Is one type of cyclist misleading others?
You can see afterwards the cyclist turns right while the truck indicates and turns left, both this time coming to no harm.

However compare it to the camera guy and the quiet guy above, both waiting in turn, the type of cylist we dont hear much about.

Edited by saaby93 on Thursday 16th July 12:17

Welcome to my world.

That's almost the exact same situation I found myself in a while ago but the gap was more narrow.The cyclist tried to have a go anyway and managed to jam her tyre between my rear axle tyre and the kerb.I then had to wait for her to yank the tyre free before I could move off.

I wouldn't attempt a move like that if I were a five year old on my first bike; quite why adults attempt it every single day is beyond me.Maybe they should start making cycles the same width as cars.I rarely have issues with with motor vehicles despite them being sat in a rigid tin box with air bags and belts etc, yet exposed riders put themselves in danger every time I visit city streets.

[Mr Will]

Digby said:

I wouldn't attempt a move like that if I were a five year old on my first bike; quite why adults attempt it every single day is beyond me.Maybe they should start making cycles the same width as cars.I rarely have issues with with motor vehicles despite them being sat in a rigid tin box with air bags and belts etc, yet exposed riders put themselves in danger every time I visit city streets.

Familiarity breeds contempt.

The road design regularly funnels cycles down the left hand side of large vehicles, to the point where it stops being scary and just becomes normal. Once it's normal they'll take bigger and bigger risks without realising and get away with it time and time again until one day it goes wrong in spectacular fashion.

There is nothing specific to cyclists in that though, it's just human nature. The majority of poor behaviour on our roads stems from the same cause.

[Digby]

I think it's more a question of gaps and a desire to keep moving, myself.It happens to me on my right side as much as it does on the left.

[BJG1]

Cotty said:

Nearly got hit by a cyclist this morning crossing the road, just stepping across the traffic island and a bike rode the wrong side of the island nearly colecting me.

People that do this really wind me up - happens all the time crossing from Bank station to Old Jewry. People just lack common sense, it should be obvious that going the wrong side of an island for pedestrians is dangerous but apparently not.

[saaby93]

Mr Will said:

Familiarity breeds contempt.

The road design regularly funnels cycles down the left hand side of large vehicles, to the point where it stops being scary and just becomes normal. Once it's normal they'll take bigger and bigger risks without realising and get away with it time and time again until one day it goes wrong in spectacular fashion.

There is nothing specific to cyclists in that though, it's just human nature. The majority of poor behaviour on our roads stems from the same cause.

Another posted a while back
Do you think this cyclist has no idea of the danger of being alongside the left indicating truck, just followed the others who must know what they're doing, except they've ended up in front.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leW8Mx1GciE

Nothing happened again so all ok

Edited by saaby93 on Thursday 16th July 20:55

[Digby]

saaby93 said:

Another posted a while back
Do you think this cyclist has no idea of the danger of being alongside the left indicating truck, just followed the others who must know what they're doing, except they've ended up in front.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leW8Mx1GciE

Nothing happened again so all ok

Edited by saaby93 on Thursday 16th July 20:55

A good example here of why those who suggest you shouldn't be driving if you can't keep track of cyclists, or suggest that they don't just appear out of nowhere, are completely wrong.

That's a relatively quiet junction, but still the driver has nine cycles to keep track of (possibly more in front) in half a dozen or more mirrors.All those mirrors need to be checked and the situation observed in any of them can and will change in the blink of an eye.

The cyclists here are idiots, plain and simple.

[IroningMan]

Digby said:

saaby93 said:

Another posted a while back
Do you think this cyclist has no idea of the danger of being alongside the left indicating truck, just followed the others who must know what they're doing, except they've ended up in front.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leW8Mx1GciE

Nothing happened again so all ok

Edited by saaby93 on Thursday 16th July 20:55

A good example here of why those who suggest you shouldn't be driving if you can't keep track of cyclists, or suggest that they don't just appear out of nowhere, are completely wrong.

That's a relatively quiet junction, but still the driver has nine cycles to keep track of (possibly more in front) in half a dozen or more mirrors.All those mirrors need to be checked and the situation observed in any of them can and will change in the blink of an eye.

The cyclists here are idiots, plain and simple.

What's the dotted white line for - and is it helping?

[saaby93]

IroningMan said:

What's the dotted white line for - and is it helping?

It's a sort of give way line so that any traffic where the truck is has to give way to cyclists coming up the inside to the front.

[walm]

saaby93 said:

That dotted line marks the access FOR BICYCLES to the ASL "bike box".
The cyclists are idiots for going up the inside of the left-turning truck but he shouldn't have been there in the first place.
He has run a red light and is sitting slap bang in the middle of the space the cyclists need in order to filter to safety in front of him.

But again, let's blame the cyclists.

Of course they could hang back but CS8 is asking the ridiculous.
The cyclist filming for example might have wanted to go straight on and you can see how the structure of CS8 has LEFT ONLY for cars/trucks but is straight on for bikes (look at the blue paint right in front of the lane in the middle of the junction).
So the option for cyclists going straight on is to stay mixed up with a bunch of vehicles ALL TURNING LEFT.... or to filter through to the front EXACTLY WHERE THE ASL BOX IS... but wait... nope.. there is some dipst truck driver stuck in the middle of it. Thanks buddy.

Here is where the guy was parked up...
https://goo.gl/maps/ZmcNd

[walm]

saaby93 said:

IroningMan said:

What's the dotted white line for - and is it helping?

It's a sort of give way line so that any traffic where the truck is has to give way to cyclists coming up the inside to the front.

No - it is very specifically a break in the white line that VEHICLES MUST NOT CROSS until the light is green.
The break is for bicycles to access the ASL box.
This truck driver has (most likely) run a red light.

[saaby93]

Crazy layout Walm
Would that sort of layout happen with motorised traffic or elsewhere. Where would anyone be forced into lane 2 to turn left while lane 1 is for straight on?
Wouldn't they be best off ending the cycle lane back from the junction so it becomes mixed use at the junction so everyone knows ehat theyre doing.

Do ASLs have a positive effect on collision rates?

[Cotty]

BJG1 said:

Cotty said:

Nearly got hit by a cyclist this morning crossing the road, just stepping across the traffic island and a bike rode the wrong side of the island nearly colecting me.

People that do this really wind me up - happens all the time crossing from Bank station to Old Jewry. People just lack common sense, it should be obvious that going the wrong side of an island for pedestrians is dangerous but apparently not.

Close, Monument station to Eastcheap

[walm]

saaby93 said:

Crazy layout Walm
Would that sort of layout happen with motorised traffic or elsewhere. Where would anyone be forced into lane 2 to turn left while lane 1 is for straight on?
Wouldn't they be best off ending the cycle lane back from the junction so it becomes mixed use at the junction so everyone knows ehat theyre doing.

Do ASLs have a positive effect on collision rates?

It isn't really two lanes.
It's one lane.
Bikes in it can go straight on or left.
Everything else has to go left.

And at the risk of repetition - there shouldn't be any conflict because bicycles should be able to get to the refuge of the box at the front.
Once in there they should ONLY have bikes around them - so the potential for drama is limited.

And it is very common pretty much every time you have a cycle lane with an ASL at the front.

If I were going straight on but couldn't get to the ASL, I would be sitting slap bang in the middle of the lane because you KNOW 100% that the cars and trucks are going left so there is no way you want to be on their left.
Frankly if I was a good distance back the only filtering I would do would be between L1 and L2, NOT on the inside of vehicles in L1.

[saaby93]

walm said:

This truck driver has (most likely) run a red light.

Looking at the layout the stop line is in advance of the traffic light (shouldnt it be in line with) and the ASL is advance of the advance line.
Someone post up the HC but I thought was if the light changes to red after youve passed the ASL line you must stop at the stop line (in line with the light?)

[walm]

saaby93 said:

walm said:

This truck driver has (most likely) run a red light.

Looking at the layout the stop line is in advance of the traffic light (shouldnt it be in line with) and the ASL is advance of the advance line.
Someone post up the HC but I thought was if the light changes to red after youve passed the ASL line you must stop at the stop line (in line with the light?)

Yeah - that's my understanding (hence "most likely").

[anonymous-user]

Looks like the lay out has been changed since 2011, Walm's 2015 image shows a new cycle lane for left.