Another cyclist dies in London

[frisbee]

What's this special new magic training that car drivers have had?

Being taught how to do a three point turn and mirror-signal-manoeuvre to pass your test doesn't make you a safe or aware driver, it's training to pass the driving test.

[saaby93]

saaby93 said:

Another posted a while back
Do you think this cyclist has no idea of the danger of being alongside the left indicating truck, just followed the others who must know what they're doing, except they've ended up in front.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leW8Mx1GciE

Nothing happened again so all ok

When youre talking of training, I guess youre not meaning of the truck driver as hes allowed to be there if the light changed to red at that point, and he may not believe hes allowed further left like the photo of the bus so leaves a gap for cyclists
Some of those cyclists are blisfully unaware of the trap theyre going into
Do you mean training for the road painters so they dont leave such a trap?

[Digby]

heebeegeetee said:

Fact is, by the time people are making their way in the big bad world be it on foot or bike, they've had road safety drummed into them for years.

Which again makes me wonder why so many cyclists seem to forget that self-preservation is a priority.

They can't all be that stupid, so I can only assume they are blissfully unaware of the dangers, or simply don't care.

[vikingaero]

Digby said:

heebeegeetee said:

Fact is, by the time people are making their way in the big bad world be it on foot or bike, they've had road safety drummed into them for years.

Which again makes me wonder why so many cyclists seem to forget that self-preservation is a priority.

They can't all be that stupid, so I can only assume they are blissfully unaware of the dangers, or simply don't care.

I'm thinking that there is an exponential growth in Society of rights and entitlement. You may have rights and are entitled but that doesn't stop someone making a mistake and hitting you.

[heebeegeetee]

vikingaero said:

Digby said:

heebeegeetee said:

Fact is, by the time people are making their way in the big bad world be it on foot or bike, they've had road safety drummed into them for years.

Which again makes me wonder why so many cyclists seem to forget that self-preservation is a priority.

They can't all be that stupid, so I can only assume they are blissfully unaware of the dangers, or simply don't care.

I'm thinking that there is an exponential growth in Society of rights and entitlement. You may have rights and are entitled but that doesn't stop someone making a mistake and hitting you.

I don't think they feature unduly in accident stats.

Indeed the more there is of them the safer they are, because car drivers are more used to them. Their safety lies primarily in the hands of drivers, who clearly don't do a good enough job despite their training and licences and insurance etc.

Certainly from what I see here in Brum, drivers abilities to overtake a bicycle are absolutely woeful.

[Digby]

heebeegeetee said:

Their safety lies primarily in the hands of drivers, who clearly don't do a good enough job despite their training and licences and insurance etc.

All drivers are rubbish and the supposedly perfect bike riders should rely on drivers for their safety?

Wow.Just........wow.

[gazza285]

Digby said:

heebeegeetee said:

Their safety lies primarily in the hands of drivers, who clearly don't do a good enough job despite their training and licences and insurance etc.

All drivers are rubbish and the supposedly perfect bike riders should rely on drivers for their safety?

Wow.Just........wow.

That's not what he said, neither is it what he implied, you 'tard.

[Digby]

I was asking a question because it would appear Mr Heebee is rather pro-cycle these days.

PS.

You .

[heebeegeetee]

Digby said:

I was asking a question because it would appear Mr Heebee is rather pro-cycle these days.

PS.

You .

Well I'll say the same a Gazza then,. That's not what I said.

It's not so much that I'm pro cyclist, it's more that I dislike being part of the biggest group of numpties on the the roads, the group that can't seem to be able to deal with anything, including overtaking a cyclist safely. I strongly dislike seeing the muppity comments on PH so respond accordingly.

[saaby93]

heebeegeetee said:

Their safety lies primarily in the hands of drivers,

Well no
Their safety as in most things is primarily in their own hands.
The biggest factor in their safety might be the actions of other road users
And the biggest one of those is not looking properly, by all parties.

But I think you know that and are just stirring

[heebeegeetee]

saaby93 said:

Well no
Their safety as in most things is primarily in their own hands.
The biggest factor in their safety might be the actions of other road users
And the biggest one of those is not looking properly, by all parties.

But I think you know that and are just stirring

Not really, it was in direct response to two posts, which seem to me to be typical of people who are part of the type of road user that kills and harms thousands a year.

Cyclists are emphatically not in this group. Sure, they make tragic mistakes and are responsible for a couple deaths a year, but they do not kill or seriously injure thousands a year.

I realise that this is a car forum, but do we have to be so tribal that we cast common sense clean aside? The comments made by countless drivers on sites like this are sheer nonsense, so forgive me if I don't join in.

[Digby]

heebeegeetee said:

I realise that this is a car forum, but do we have to be so tribal that we cast common sense clean aside? The comments made by countless drivers on sites like this are sheer nonsense, so forgive me if I don't join in.

I hope I'm not being tarred with that brush? It's not hard to find comments by myself praising cyclists, having no issue if I have to wait behind them for long distances and finding myself being thanked by them regularly etc.

My views are based on what I see and not, as yours appear to be, based on a a dislike of any other form of transport.You appear to be indenial regarding the regular & near suicidal movements of certain cyclists.I'm simply wondering why they do it and how can they be stopped from doing so.As I said before, they are either unaware of the dangers, or simply don't care.

[Laurel Green]

Share The Road

[dxg]

Motorbikes aren't safe either:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1aSvoIpVss

[Mandat]

dxg said:

Motorbikes aren't safe either:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1aSvoIpVss

The driver was probably looking in the nearside mirror, to check for any cyclist coming up the inside whilst he was turning left.

[CoolHands]

biker shouldv'e leant on his horn, and swerved right. Bit slow to react imo. Still drivers fault, obviously.

[Killboy]

dxg said:

Motorbikes aren't safe either:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1aSvoIpVss

Must be one of those amazing HGV drivers talked about so much in this thread, the ones that would never balls up enough to kill a cyclist.

[anonymous-user]

anonymous said:

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Yep, it clearly shows how big these blind spots can be, unless the lorry driver could see him at any point ? It looked like the mirrors would have been blocking his view of the biker.

Still no excuse, 100% lorry drivers fault IMO

[heebeegeetee]

Digby said:

You appear to be indenial regarding the regular & near suicidal movements of certain cyclists.I'm simply wondering why they do it and how can they be stopped from doing so.As I said before, they are either unaware of the dangers, or simply don't care.

I may well be in denial, because where I live conditions are so poor for cyclists to ride on the road that I rarely see any - possibly 2 each way on my commute. So what I see regularly is suicidal and or dangerous driving from motorists in a regular basis.

I don't think the problem can be anywhere near as bad as you state though, because if it was it would reflect in the accident stats, so it might be time to reflect that the accident rates of cyclists is roughly the same as pedestrians, (and we are all pedestrians at times), so I'm not totally sure what dangers it is that they are unaware of. And of course, unlike us motorists, they tend to hurt themselves whereas we tend to hurt others - indeed in the UK the SUV is very popular, possibly amongst drivers who are damn sure they're only going to hurt someone else.

[heebeegeetee]

dxg said:

Motorbikes aren't safe either:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1aSvoIpVss

fk me that is terrible, isn't it?

I'm going to say, as a former hgv driver myself, it is time to take this design of vehicle off city streets and use the type of design shown elsewhere in this thread where the driver is sitting down nearer the ground, as bus drivers are. Clearly, the drivers can't see out of them. The mirrors, which some seem to think are the be-all answer to blind spots, cause blind spots themselves, as this video shows only too clearly.

The truck in the vid is delivering construction materials but the side guards show how much it goes off road. The *only* reason this truck is of this design is money - nothing else. Well, imo it is time to set a date from which it will be fking expensive to use a vehicle of this design on city street. As soon as it becomes expensive to use, the design will change.

Clearly, running people over simply hasn't been made expensive enough yet.

Yes this is the drivers fault, but he has been tasked to drive a vehicle of shockingly bad design, so it's only ever going to end up like this if we continue with this long out-dated design.