Another cyclist dies in London

[swisstoni]

Digby said:

Ghibli said:

swisstoni said:

I'll say it again - while in central London, there needs to be another person in that cab responsible for the nearside safety.

Redesigned trucks would be ideal but until then, you have to go the simple way.

The safer lorry scheme, 1st Sept 2015

Many are equipped with all that is required anyway.The first time I had an external speaker fitted which suggests loudly that my vehicle is turning left (because numerous orange lights flashing and road positioning are not enough) - a cyclist stopped right beside it and spent the next twenty seconds trying to see where it was coming from.Fortunately I spotted him in my downward facing door mirror, but after checking all the other mirrors before moving off, I was unsure where he went.

More mirrors are not the answer, although they help to a degree.I would like to see more of the large mirrors placed on poles at certain junctions, however.They are the type you see outside rural driveways etc and offer a superb view of all that is going on alongside the truck.I think I have seen approx four so far :/

Did you read what I wrote? I said ANOTHER PERSON. Not more mirrors and speakers.

[Digby]

swisstoni said:

Did you read what I wrote? I said ANOTHER PERSON. Not more mirrors and speakers.

Did you read what the safer lorry scheme is suggesting?

[swisstoni]

Digby said:

swisstoni said:

Did you read what I wrote? I said ANOTHER PERSON. Not more mirrors and speakers.

Did you read what the safer lorry scheme is suggesting?

Well I have now and it says Jack about having another person in the cab in central London. So what exactly is your point?

[Digby]

I was responding to that.

EDIT:

I did reply to your second man suggestion earlier in the thread.

Edited by Digby on Tuesday 21st July 19:50

[SystemParanoia]

i live leaked <--- you know what s on live leak, so im not linking to that festering corner of the internet on here

"Truck overruns woman and 8 year old son at crossing"

and i definitely agree that this design of lorry is completely unfit for purpose and every single one of them should be removed from service worldwide

[swisstoni]

Digby said:

I was responding to that.

My apologies. My rant should have been aimed at Ghibli who's point about the Safer Lorry Scheme 2015 had absolutely no relevance.

[Digby]

SystemParanoia said:

i live leaked <--- you know what s on live leak, so im not linking to that festering corner of the internet on here

"Truck overruns woman and 8 year old son at crossing"

and i definitely agree that this design of lorry is completely unfit for purpose and every single one of them should be removed from service worldwide

Left hand drive truck, dodgy crossing, someone who crosses without looking.Recipe for disaster there

[anonymous-user]

swisstoni said:

My apologies. My rant should have been aimed at Ghibli who's point about the Safer Lorry Scheme 2015 had absolutely no relevance.

Are the trucks being fitted with side guards to prevent cyclists from being dragged under the wheels ?

[swisstoni]

Ghibli said:

swisstoni said:

My apologies. My rant should have been aimed at Ghibli who's point about the Safer Lorry Scheme 2015 had absolutely no relevance.

Are the trucks being fitted with side guards to prevent cyclists from being dragged under the wheels ?

I don't know. Absolutely nothing to do with my point of having another person in the cab.

[anonymous-user]

swisstoni said:

I don't know. Absolutely nothing to do with my point of having another person in the cab.

Does it have anything to do with re-designing the trucks ?

[Deadlift]

swisstoni said:

I don't know. Absolutely nothing to do with my point of having another person in the cab.

Having another person in the cab will change absolutely nothing.

[swisstoni]

Deadlift said:

swisstoni said:

I don't know. Absolutely nothing to do with my point of having another person in the cab.

Having another person in the cab will change absolutely nothing.

I disagree.

[swisstoni]

Ghibli said:

swisstoni said:

I don't know. Absolutely nothing to do with my point of having another person in the cab.

Does it have anything to do with re-designing the trucks ?

Do you just write cryptic questions or do you ever spit out what you mean?

[anonymous-user]

Ghibli said:

swisstoni said:

Redesigned trucks would be ideal but until then, you have to go the simple way.

The safer lorry scheme, 1st Sept 2015

If you read the safer lorry scheme you can see what changes are necessary for trucks being driven in central London.

As Digby has pointed out most trucks already have these changes, my guess is that not all of them have or else there would be no need for the changes.

[heebeegeetee]

Does the lorry in the motorbike flattening episode have his full complement of Safer London mirrors?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1aSvoIpVss&fe...

Just wondering, 'cos they're definitely blocking his view.

[ZX10R NIN]

heebeegeetee said:

Does the lorry in the motorbike flattening episode have his full complement of Safer London mirrors?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1aSvoIpVss&fe...

Just wondering, 'cos they're definitely blocking his view.

Have to say as a biker I'd have moved over to the wrong side of the road he had enough time to do so, at the same time I understand that he thought the truck would stop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fampUhpLy6I

People will be people & that means mistakes will be made as the clip above shows, as has been said on here before you can't legislate against human error.

More motorcyclists (22 in 2014 90% non fault) commuting into work have died on London's roads than cyclists both are sad & in most cases it won't have been the riders fault, but in some cases they will have contributed to by poor decision making or they'll have just got it wrong, as I said people will make mistakes.

Segregating the road network adds to congestion it doesn't solve the problem neither does putting traffic lights everywhere better road planning will be a big factor.

Or do you think motorcyclists should have their own lanes to?

As that seems to be the way we're heading.

[Type R Tom]

ZX10R NIN said:

Have to say as a biker I'd have moved over to the wrong side of the road he had enough time to do so, at the same time I understand that he thought the truck would stop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fampUhpLy6I

People will be people & that means mistakes will be made as the clip above shows, as has been said on here before you can't legislate against human error.

More motorcyclists (22 in 2014 90% non fault) commuting into work have died on London's roads than cyclists both are sad & in most cases it won't have been the riders fault, but in some cases they will have contributed to by poor decision making or they'll have just got it wrong, as I said people will make mistakes.

Segregating the road network adds to congestion it doesn't solve the problem neither does putting traffic lights everywhere better road planning will be a big factor.

Or do you think motorcyclists should have their own lanes to?

As that seems to be the way we're heading.

For me motorbikes can suffer the same bad PR as cyclists do, particularly when you see them speeding / accelerating inappropriately or filtering inconsiderately or wrong siding traffic islands in traffic for example. In the same way that people moan about cyclist jumping red lights, for example, the same “ASB” type accusations can be aimed at motorbikes.

The number of KSI’s for P2W is too high and I’m not sure what the solution is but I think to keep London moving priority has to be given to cyclists, particularly for short to medium journeys as public transport can’t cope. You say “better road planning will be a big factor” but no one can say exactly what that is. The City is getting busier and the roads aren’t getting any wider!

[jbsportstech]

saaby93 said:

Weird . Is e a cycling instructor or not?

What about this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9pU_vvwl3Y
The weaving about through traffic?

I think the issue comes with a mindset when on two wheels be it push bike or motorcycle that progress becomes the most important factor and this is to the detriment of the riders safety in many cases. Alot of what I see is risk taking in order to maintain progress as some two wheeled road users see this as part of the reason for being on two wheels. This is why they are quick to move into situation that put them at unnecessary risk.

[heebeegeetee]

ZX10R NIN said:

Segregating the road network adds to congestion it doesn't solve the problem neither does putting traffic lights everywhere better road planning will be a big factor.

I don't know why you keep saying this when clearly the exact opposite has been *proven* in European countries not very far from here. Are you *seriously* saying that congestion in these countries would be less if the millions that cycled stopped doing so and got into their cars instead? It's a ridiculous notion.

There is no developed country anywhere in the world that has taken up motorcycling en masse, so it's not something worth discussing. People aren't going to ride motorbikes unless they have to (such as in less developed nations) so it's not worth talking about.

What you say can't happen does happen, and not very faraway - indeed most European countries including Switzerland have higher rates of cycling than us, and quite simply, everyone in those countries benefits as a result.

Building more infrastructure for motorised vehicles, as you wish, has been *proven* to not work, it just results in more building, more congestion, more pollution and nothing else. This has been proven here in the UK and we have decades of evidence.

Cyclists should be segregated as pedestrians are, motorised vehicles can then get on with together.

[oyster]

swerni said:

Yesterday London looked like a scene from a Die Hard movie.
They weren't hanging around either

I have no problem with them being in London, they are just doing their job.

But what really makes me angry is that despite all the publicity about the danger they cause to cyclists, they still act as if they own the road, steam up at full speed to red lights, swing from lane to lane without looking properly. I just don't understand it - when is that industry going to wake up to its responsibilities?