Another cyclist dies in London
Discussion
Hopefully you mean it.
George111 said:
Negative Creep said:
WinstonWolf said:
Negative Creep said:
Wish we'd follow Holland's lead and ban flashing lights on bikes. Had some idiot behind me recently with what can only be described as a strobe light, and it's seriously distracting
Cyclists, get some lights.Cyclists fit lights.
Bloody cyclists and their lights...
George111 said:
You see, this is how sensible discussions go with cyclists . . . just utter nonsense.
If you think a LED light in a bicycle looks like a car headlight then you just need to get off your bicycle and stand at the side of the road until another cyclist goes past then look. You'll see.
But overall, this is a classic example of why cyclists die - you can't have a sensible discussion with them, they are always right and we (who are also cyclists) are always wrong, there's no accommodation of the others views or appreciation for fact.
Bye
You cycle, where exactly?If you think a LED light in a bicycle looks like a car headlight then you just need to get off your bicycle and stand at the side of the road until another cyclist goes past then look. You'll see.
But overall, this is a classic example of why cyclists die - you can't have a sensible discussion with them, they are always right and we (who are also cyclists) are always wrong, there's no accommodation of the others views or appreciation for fact.
Bye
My front light....
Next time debate with facts.
Digby said:
Have to say, that is amazing. The two led lamps on my bike look like candles compared to that! Do you have a link to that lamp per-chance?
I use these with similar resultshttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/T6-LED-CREE-XML-1800Lm-U...
Digby said:
Have to say, that is amazing. The two led lamps on my bike look like candles compared to that! Do you have a link to that lamp per-chance?
Have a look hereThere are cheap Cree lights on eBay and they work ok, the quality is a pure luck though. The Lumicycle is a chunk of change but it has a great battery life/bombproof/upgradeable etc.
yellowjack said:
But there is more traffic on the roads these days. And more 'background' artificial lighting too, from shop fronts and advertising. Add to that the increase in efficiency and performance of vehicle lighting, and the introduction of DRLs, and the common-or-garden urban cyclist has to worry far more about 'being seen', and his/her lights need to work that much harder to be seen above the rest of the "light noise" on the roads.
Except lots of them don't as a considerable number can be seen riding without any lights.yonex said:
You cycle, where exactly?
My front light....
Next time debate with facts.
The light is coming from the cycle light not the car headlamps? In that case lights like that should be a compulsory fitment to all cycles.My front light....
Next time debate with facts.
Jagmanv12 said:
The light is coming from the cycle light not the car headlamps? In that case lights like that should be a compulsory fitment to all cycles.
They are both on, it's showing the colour and power of the bike light. You have lots of control on the brightness so as not to dazzle anyone. Some of the front lights on bikes are getting ridiculous. They seem to be almost as bright as full beam headlights on cars - yet there seems to be no way to dip them (or if there is - cyclists aren't doing so) and there are no rules enforced and no checks to ensure that they are designed and aligned properly to avoid dazzling other road users.
George111 said:
80sMatchbox said:
George111 said:
The much lauded Dutch system means cyclists are legally required to use the cycle lanes on major roads, not the roads. They have a far more adult approach to cycling than we do - it's taken far more seriously. They Lycra clad brigade you see in London would soon find themselves on the sharp end of a ticket if they rode like that in Amsterdam.
Have a look here: http://www.holland-cycling.com/tips-and-info/safet...
If you drove on the left hand side of the road in Holland, you'd get a ticket too....Have a look here: http://www.holland-cycling.com/tips-and-info/safet...
Moonhawk said:
Some of the front lights on bikes are getting ridiculous. They seem to be almost as bright as full beam headlights on cars - yet there seems to be no way to dip them (or if there is - cyclists aren't doing so) and there are no rules enforced and no checks to ensure that they are designed and aligned properly to avoid dazzling other road users.
I've never been dazzled by car lights. Said nobody, ever. Get a grip. It's the individual setting the light up not 'cyclists', as I said were damned either way, too bright, not bright enough, blah, blah, blah
Thanks for all the nebulous stuff guys 
Here's what this threads about
Jury clears driver from October 2014 18 months ago - possibly for reasons in the item
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-359356...
Would have been in his mirrors for 3-5 seconds someone alleged
Anyone work out the location on googlemaps?
Here's what this threads about
Jury clears driver from October 2014 18 months ago - possibly for reasons in the item
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-359356...
Would have been in his mirrors for 3-5 seconds someone alleged
beeb said:
Vincent Doyle, 45, failed to spot the German postgraduate in the cycle lane, despite overtaking her 200 metres before the junction, where he waited for 23 seconds at a red light.
Had his mirrors been correctly positioned, he would have had her in his sights for three to five seconds before his wheels clipped hers, sending her underneath the vehicle, the court heard.
Mr Doyle said he always made safety checks and had looked in his mirrors "five or six times" before the green light.
He told jurors that he never saw Mrs Gehlau waving her arms or heard her shouting before she fell under the lorry. He felt a "bump" and looked in his mirror to see her head sticking out, he said.
Mr Doyle described how he held her hand and pleaded with her to "hold on".
"I was taking her pulse, chatting to her all the time. I was holding her hand telling her 'Please hang on'. We were chatting away. And then she died. She died just as the ambulance got there."
On how the accident had affected him, he said: "I had a nervous breakdown last year. I was in psychiatric hospital for eight months."
Not much about what to doHad his mirrors been correctly positioned, he would have had her in his sights for three to five seconds before his wheels clipped hers, sending her underneath the vehicle, the court heard.
Mr Doyle said he always made safety checks and had looked in his mirrors "five or six times" before the green light.
He told jurors that he never saw Mrs Gehlau waving her arms or heard her shouting before she fell under the lorry. He felt a "bump" and looked in his mirror to see her head sticking out, he said.
Mr Doyle described how he held her hand and pleaded with her to "hold on".
"I was taking her pulse, chatting to her all the time. I was holding her hand telling her 'Please hang on'. We were chatting away. And then she died. She died just as the ambulance got there."
On how the accident had affected him, he said: "I had a nervous breakdown last year. I was in psychiatric hospital for eight months."
Anyone work out the location on googlemaps?
beeb said:
Vincent Doyle, 45, failed to spot the German postgraduate in the cycle lane, despite overtaking her 200 metres before the junction, where he waited for 23 seconds at a red light.
Just sounds like a tragic accident IMO. The wording of the article is deliberately misleading IMO, but it sounds very much like he overtook her a long way before the junction and then stopped at a red light whereby she rode down the inside of the lorry...! If she was really the experienced cyclist her mum says she was, she would have known that that's a dangerous thing to do. The incorrectly adjusted mirrors can't really be excused but it sounds to me like the driver has suffered a lot already and will continue to do so.saaby93 said:
Thanks for all the nebulous stuff guys
Here's what this threads about
Jury clears driver from October 2014 18 months ago - possibly for reasons in the item
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-359356...
Would have been in his mirrors for 3-5 seconds someone alleged
Anyone work out the location on googlemaps?
Ludgate Circus. A junction miserable enough as a driver or pedestrian - due to narrow lanes, two busy roads merging and being part of a major bus route - before you throw lorries and cyclists into the mix.Here's what this threads about
Jury clears driver from October 2014 18 months ago - possibly for reasons in the item
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-359356...
Would have been in his mirrors for 3-5 seconds someone alleged
beeb said:
Vincent Doyle, 45, failed to spot the German postgraduate in the cycle lane, despite overtaking her 200 metres before the junction, where he waited for 23 seconds at a red light.
Had his mirrors been correctly positioned, he would have had her in his sights for three to five seconds before his wheels clipped hers, sending her underneath the vehicle, the court heard.
Mr Doyle said he always made safety checks and had looked in his mirrors "five or six times" before the green light.
He told jurors that he never saw Mrs Gehlau waving her arms or heard her shouting before she fell under the lorry. He felt a "bump" and looked in his mirror to see her head sticking out, he said.
Mr Doyle described how he held her hand and pleaded with her to "hold on".
"I was taking her pulse, chatting to her all the time. I was holding her hand telling her 'Please hang on'. We were chatting away. And then she died. She died just as the ambulance got there."
On how the accident had affected him, he said: "I had a nervous breakdown last year. I was in psychiatric hospital for eight months."
Not much about what to doHad his mirrors been correctly positioned, he would have had her in his sights for three to five seconds before his wheels clipped hers, sending her underneath the vehicle, the court heard.
Mr Doyle said he always made safety checks and had looked in his mirrors "five or six times" before the green light.
He told jurors that he never saw Mrs Gehlau waving her arms or heard her shouting before she fell under the lorry. He felt a "bump" and looked in his mirror to see her head sticking out, he said.
Mr Doyle described how he held her hand and pleaded with her to "hold on".
"I was taking her pulse, chatting to her all the time. I was holding her hand telling her 'Please hang on'. We were chatting away. And then she died. She died just as the ambulance got there."
On how the accident had affected him, he said: "I had a nervous breakdown last year. I was in psychiatric hospital for eight months."
Anyone work out the location on googlemaps?
https://goo.gl/maps/NiTVFtgvCjy
As tragic as it obviously is, I just can't understand what would compel a sensible person to place themselves between a large vehicle and a kerb/railing at a junction where there's any chance of it making a left turn.
It's not even a matter of 'roadcraft' or training - it should be blatant common sense. Patience and self-preservation instincts were in short supply, it seems.
The previous articles before the judgement were a lot more damning, he lied saying he hadn't stopped at the lights only changing his story when cctv showed he was stationary for nearly half a minute, didn't bother/know how to use the trixie mirror on the lights and then ontop of that started insulting the girl as she lay dying!
I wonder if he is the same Vincent Doyle that did this?
"Danny" Reidar Farr, killed October 1, 1999, junction of Westbourne Grove and Hereford Road, by a left turning skip lorry, driven by Vincent Doyle, operated by PowerDay. Despite witness evidence that driver failed to signal, court acquitted driver.
If so then the fact that the defence stated to the jury that he had an exemplary driving record for twenty years is unacceptable even if it's technically correct.
I wonder if he is the same Vincent Doyle that did this?
"Danny" Reidar Farr, killed October 1, 1999, junction of Westbourne Grove and Hereford Road, by a left turning skip lorry, driven by Vincent Doyle, operated by PowerDay. Despite witness evidence that driver failed to signal, court acquitted driver.
If so then the fact that the defence stated to the jury that he had an exemplary driving record for twenty years is unacceptable even if it's technically correct.
Edited by untakenname on Friday 1st April 10:32
untakenname said:
The previous articles before the judgement were a lot more damning, he lied saying he hadn't stopped at the lights only changing his story when cctv showed he was stationary for nearly half a minute, didn't bother/know how to use the trixie mirror on the lights and then ontop of that started insulting the girl as she lay dying!
I wonder if he is the same Vincent Doyle that did this?
"Danny" Reidar Farr, killed October 1, 1999, junction of Westbourne Grove and Hereford Road, by a left turning skip lorry, driven by Vincent Doyle, operated by PowerDay. Despite witness evidence that driver failed to signal, court acquitted driver.
If so then the fact that the defence stated to the jury that he had an exemplary driving record for twenty years is unacceptable even if it's technically correct.
unless you're about to set up your own court I wonder if he is the same Vincent Doyle that did this?
"Danny" Reidar Farr, killed October 1, 1999, junction of Westbourne Grove and Hereford Road, by a left turning skip lorry, driven by Vincent Doyle, operated by PowerDay. Despite witness evidence that driver failed to signal, court acquitted driver.
If so then the fact that the defence stated to the jury that he had an exemplary driving record for twenty years is unacceptable even if it's technically correct.
It's technically correct and legally correct that the driver was acquitted and that he has an exemplary driving record
Your 'did this' goes against what the court said 'involved in this' maybe
Jeez can we get the simple things right if we're going to progress this
untakenname said:
The previous articles before the judgement were a lot more damning, he lied saying he hadn't stopped at the lights only changing his story when cctv showed he was stationary for nearly half a minute, didn't bother/know how to use the trixie mirror on the lights and then ontop of that started insulting the girl as she lay dying!
I wonder if he is the same Vincent Doyle that did this?
"Danny" Reidar Farr, killed October 1, 1999, junction of Westbourne Grove and Hereford Road, by a left turning skip lorry, driven by Vincent Doyle, operated by PowerDay. Despite witness evidence that driver failed to signal, court acquitted driver.
If so then the fact that the defence stated to the jury that he had an exemplary driving record for twenty years is unacceptable even if it's technically correct.
Wow, if it's the same guy. Twice in one lifetime is very alarming.I wonder if he is the same Vincent Doyle that did this?
"Danny" Reidar Farr, killed October 1, 1999, junction of Westbourne Grove and Hereford Road, by a left turning skip lorry, driven by Vincent Doyle, operated by PowerDay. Despite witness evidence that driver failed to signal, court acquitted driver.
If so then the fact that the defence stated to the jury that he had an exemplary driving record for twenty years is unacceptable even if it's technically correct.
Edited by untakenname on Friday 1st April 10:32
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