Another cyclist dies in London

[saaby93]

funinhounslow said:

I don't think I'm misreading Digby's posts; they seem pretty clear to me...

Yes they are clear and its obvious he's said one thing and you're trying to claim he's said another
It's no benefit to anyone doing that. He's said enough for you to keep to what he has said rather than making stuff up
Same for anyone else. Fiction writers that way >>>>
Right back to topic

[funinhounslow]

saaby93 said:

Yes they are clear and its obvious he's said one thing and you're trying to claim he's said another

On rereading my post yes you're quite right and I take it back. Apologies. I was a bit "het up" earlier.

[fangio]

I've kept up with this thread and the main reason quoted for all the law/rule-breaking by cyclists is "Because it's quicker."

FFS, set off sooner!

[okgo]

What are the excuses car drivers have for doing the same?

[George111]

okgo said:

What are the excuses car drivers have for doing the same?

It may have escaped your notice but cars can't undertake lorries because there's no space for them . . . they wait in line like bicycles ought to.

But feel free to search the interweb for a picture of a car being crushed by a lorry in 1979 and claim it was last week and happens every day on your 49
mile commute into Londinium

[okgo]

I was more interested in all the other laws they break when they could just leave earlier, you know, speeding, jumping red lights, going through crossings etc.

[Shakermaker]

anonymous said:

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They'd get hit anytime a car was making a right turn across traffic though, or be in the way then?

[Mr Will]

George111 said:

It may have escaped your notice but cars can't undertake lorries because there's no space for them . . . they wait in line like bicycles ought to.

So drivers wait patiently behind cyclists do they? And never perform dodgy overtakes where there isn't space, or come screaming past then swing left in to a turning?

Give me a break.

[George111]

Mr Will said:

George111 said:

It may have escaped your notice but cars can't undertake lorries because there's no space for them . . . they wait in line like bicycles ought to.

So drivers wait patiently behind cyclists do they? And never perform dodgy overtakes where there isn't space, or come screaming past then swing left in to a turning?

Give me a break.

You see, you've done it again, take a comment and apply your twisted logic to apply it to something else. I've never seen a car push a bicycle out of the way, no, neither have I seen a car push a HGV out of the way.

I suggest you learn to read the thread and context before answering or you'll continually make foolish statements like that.

[Digby]

saaby93 said:

Jeez what's happened there poor guy

Edited by saaby93 on Friday 3rd June 11:20

From that report..

"The truck was across on the wrong side of the road, which can happen unless you're very careful as it's a narrowish turning"

It's a one way street as someone mentions. There is no wrong side of the road. It's designed so only one vehicle can enter at a time.

Hope the guy is ok. It will be interesting to see what happened there.

[FrankAbagnale]

Digby said:

saaby93 said:

Jeez what's happened there poor guy

Edited by saaby93 on Friday 3rd June 11:20

From that report..

"The truck was across on the wrong side of the road, which can happen unless you're very careful as it's a narrowish turning"

It's a one way street as someone mentions. There is no wrong side of the road. It's designed so only one vehicle can enter at a time.

Hope the guy is ok. It will be interesting to see what happened there.

One of the comments below from readers -

It's amazing how many people have laid the blame about this accident based on their own personal prejudices and with no knowledge of the accident.
I work in the area and must have only missed seeing the accident by a few moments.

Anyway, in response to a couple of the comments.

1) Chapel Street is a single Lane one-way street, so it's not possible for the lorry to have been on the wrong side of the road because there isn't a wrong side! In fact the entrance (where the accident happened) is narrowed so that only one car/lorry can enter it at a time. The lorry was facing the right way too.

2) The turning onto Chapel Street is not particularly tight. It is roughly at a right angle to Edgware Road. If you are turning left onto Chapel Street the pavement has been rounded to make the angle less acute, meaning it is easy for large vehicles to make the turn without having to either go wide or mount the pavement.

[saaby93]

funinhounslow said:

saaby93 said:

Yes they are clear and its obvious he's said one thing and you're trying to claim he's said another

On rereading my post yes you're quite right and I take it back. Apologies. I was a bit "het up" earlier.

Happens to me too

[saaby93]

Someone explain the strange lane markings.
Is there an offside bus stop just in front of the tipper?

[Digby]

Digby said:

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Mr Will said:

Digby said:

Mr Will said:

Finlandia said:

Run ads about the dangers of cycling irresponsibly on TV, newspapers and online, that would be a good start.

Have you been to London recently? They are all over the place. TV, Radio, Papers, Billboards, Bus-stops, Tube-lines. We've ticked that one off the list already.

Really? I am there a lot listening to BBC Radio London and other stations and can't say I have seen or heard anything.

You seem to have a lot of problems with observation. Perhaps you should get that checked out...

List where you see and hear them all and I will take a look.

Genuinely curious as to where this is happening because it's a massive step in the right direction. I seem to have missed almost all of it (not that I watch a lot of TV though but would still like to know)

Still nothing? Is it actually happening at all?

[Vipers]

Digby said:

Digby said:

Digby said:

Mr Will said:

Digby said:

Mr Will said:

Finlandia said:

Run ads about the dangers of cycling irresponsibly on TV, newspapers and online, that would be a good start.

Have you been to London recently? They are all over the place. TV, Radio, Papers, Billboards, Bus-stops, Tube-lines. We've ticked that one off the list already.

Really? I am there a lot listening to BBC Radio London and other stations and can't say I have seen or heard anything.

You seem to have a lot of problems with observation. Perhaps you should get that checked out...

List where you see and hear them all and I will take a look.

Genuinely curious as to where this is happening because it's a massive step in the right direction. I seem to have missed almost all of it (not that I watch a lot of TV though but would still like to know)

When we used to watch Ulster ITV as it was in HD, (at that time Aberdeen didn't have it in HD and for some reason we couldn't get London either which I had manually programmed into my sky box and it worked for some time), Ulster had some very good ads about car drivers and motorcyclists every evening.

Having said that, trying to educate some cyclists AND some vehicle drivers is like pulling hens teeth.






Still nothing? Is it actually happening at all?

[Blakewater]

Digby said:

From that report..

"The truck was across on the wrong side of the road, which can happen unless you're very careful as it's a narrowish turning"

It's a one way street as someone mentions. There is no wrong side of the road. It's designed so only one vehicle can enter at a time.

Hope the guy is ok. It will be interesting to see what happened there.

Someone in the comments has suggested the cyclist went across the crossroads from the opposite side at speed with traffic queuing across the junction at right angles to his direction and leaving the box junction clear. The lorry has then gone up the turning left lane from the cyclist's left side to turn left down the road the cyclist is going straight on into and they've impacted with each other just at the top of that road as the cyclist has gone across the crossroads.

[fangio]

okgo said:

What are the excuses car drivers have for doing the same?

Haven't heard any car drivers say "I risked my life 'cuz it were quicker"?

[Mandat]

Blakewater said:

Someone in the comments has suggested the cyclist went across the crossroads from the opposite side at speed with traffic queuing across the junction at right angles to his direction and leaving the box junction clear. The lorry has then gone up the turning left lane from the cyclist's left side to turn left down the road the cyclist is going straight on into and they've impacted with each other just at the top of that road as the cyclist has gone across the crossroads.

The photos do seem to support the above scenario.

If this is how it happened, then it seems to me that the driver might have been paying particular attention to his left side mirror to check for cyclists coming up his inside whilst he is turning left, while in the meantime the cyclist came up alongside the offside, ending up with them both colliding.

[speedking31]

saaby93 said:

Someone explain the strange lane markings.
Is there an offside bus stop just in front of the tipper?

Google map

[anonymous-user]

3rd London cyclist killed within the last a month, following collision with bus at Aldwych on Saturday.



Google map reference https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5126603,-0.11509... - it's a nasty junction I always approach very carefully. ften see timid drivers, or those unfamiliar with the layout, being very hesitant and moving lanes late or abruptly.

Edited by djstevec on Monday 6th June 14:40