Another cyclist dies in London

[anonymous-user]

Ahimoth said:

edgyedgy said:

you can clearly see signage on rear of truck saying not get too close.very sad still.

Why instinctively blame the cyclist? I've seen dozens of left hooks, or near left hooks. Occasionally you met a driver who assumes that anyone he's just overtaken instantly disassembles into their constituent atoms.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZCS3FLgYWM

Terrible driving but the guy stops straight away as he obviously realises he's made a mistake. However, what does militant video cameras on all angles cyclist do who had nothing to do with it? Go straight in and try to wind the situation up

[GC8]

Terrible. That isn't an HGV though. Its a class C1 van driven, usually, on a car entitlement. Possibly the most poorly driven vehicles on the road. Maybe not quite as bad as Transit/Sprinter type vans, but they weigh so much more...

[gazza285]

edgyedgy said:

you can clearly see signage on rear of truck saying not get too close.very sad still.

The wagon has turned left onto the main road, who's to say that the cyclist wasn't already on the main road and hit the wagon's off side?

[gazza285]

saaby93 said:

hat one's been posted before. If it wasnt for the cycle lane the cyclist looks as though they're going to follow the road around to the left until they start drifting to the right, no signals. Luckily the truck kept an eye on them or it could have been worse. The truck driver got fined. Someone said the junction's been changed now. There are usually 3 parties involved.

Are you seeing a different video to everyone else? The truck didn't pass the cyclist until after the cyclist had already passed the left turning cycle lane, so where does this drift to the right come from? And what indication should the cyclist have given to show that they were going straight on?

[anonymous-user]

St John Smythe said:

Ahimoth said:

edgyedgy said:

you can clearly see signage on rear of truck saying not get too close.very sad still.

Why instinctively blame the cyclist? I've seen dozens of left hooks, or near left hooks. Occasionally you met a driver who assumes that anyone he's just overtaken instantly disassembles into their constituent atoms.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZCS3FLgYWM

Terrible driving but the guy stops straight away as he obviously realises he's made a mistake. However, what does militant video cameras on all angles cyclist do who had nothing to do with it? Go straight in and try to wind the situation up

If the cyclist who was almost hit was turning left they would be in the filter lane like the guy who appears at 1:04 on the camera left, sure she is a bit wobbly but thats no excuse for driving like that. What good is stopping once he realises he has made a mistake? why not avoid making the "mistake" in the first place by driving with some degree of competence?

Why does every one want a dash cam fitted now? so they can record incidents like this and have proof it was the third partys fault in event of an incident. There is a 100 page thread on dashcams full of MOTORISTS posting footage of crap DRIVING here but cyclists dare wear cameras and post footage and are labelled militants....

[anonymous-user]

pablo said:

St John Smythe said:

Ahimoth said:

edgyedgy said:

you can clearly see signage on rear of truck saying not get too close.very sad still.

Why instinctively blame the cyclist? I've seen dozens of left hooks, or near left hooks. Occasionally you met a driver who assumes that anyone he's just overtaken instantly disassembles into their constituent atoms.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZCS3FLgYWM

Terrible driving but the guy stops straight away as he obviously realises he's made a mistake. However, what does militant video cameras on all angles cyclist do who had nothing to do with it? Go straight in and try to wind the situation up

If the cyclist who was almost hit was turning left they would be in the filter lane like the guy who appears at 1:04 on the camera left, sure she is a bit wobbly but thats no excuse for driving like that. What good is stopping once he realises he has made a mistake? why not avoid making the "mistake" in the first place by driving with some degree of competence?

Why does every one want a dash cam fitted now? so they can record incidents like this and have proof it was the third partys fault in event of an incident. There is a 100 page thread on dashcams full of MOTORISTS posting footage of crap DRIVING here but cyclists dare wear cameras and post footage and are labelled militants....

Everyone makes mistakes sometimes including yourself. Plus I never used the word 'militant' lol.

[croyde]

Ahimoth said:

Why instinctively blame the cyclist? I've seen dozens of left hooks, or near left hooks. Occasionally you met a driver who assumes that anyone he's just overtaken instantly disassembles into their constituent atoms.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZCS3FLgYWM

I have only crossed by bicycle, sorry continued on, past that turn off a few times in my many decades of living in London, and it's fekin' scary the amount of cars and lorries that do exactly what you see in that video. I say that as a bigger fan of motorised transport than of pedaled stuff.

[anonymous-user]

edgyedgy said:

you can clearly see signage on rear of truck saying not get too close.very sad still.

Ah yes the "dont get too close to me because I may be reading a text, talking on my phone, dicking about with my sat nav or generally be paying so little attention to my driving that I need this warning to further absolve responsibility in the event of an incident and I can pin the blame on an innocent cyclist" sticker...

I'm going to stick one on my car then if I have a crash say to the other driver involved "look, its not my fault, I have a sticker that says dont get too close"...

[GC8]

pablo said:

edgyedgy said:

you can clearly see signage on rear of truck saying not get too close.very sad still.

Ah yes the "dont get too close to me because I may be reading a text, talking on my phone, dicking about with my sat nav or generally be paying so little attention to my driving that I need this warning to further absolve responsibility in the event of an incident and I can pin the blame on an innocent cyclist" sticker...

I'm going to stick one on my car then if I have a crash say to the other driver involved "look, its not my fault, I have a sticker that says dont get too close"...

You don't come across well. Only a fool rides down the nearside of an HGV. I suspect that cyclists have enough to contend with in London without this ridiculous suicidal behaviour.

[anonymous-user]

St John Smythe said:

pablo said:

St John Smythe said:

Ahimoth said:

edgyedgy said:

you can clearly see signage on rear of truck saying not get too close.very sad still.

Why instinctively blame the cyclist? I've seen dozens of left hooks, or near left hooks. Occasionally you met a driver who assumes that anyone he's just overtaken instantly disassembles into their constituent atoms.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZCS3FLgYWM

Terrible driving but the guy stops straight away as he obviously realises he's made a mistake. However, what does militant video cameras on all angles cyclist do who had nothing to do with it? Go straight in and try to wind the situation up

If the cyclist who was almost hit was turning left they would be in the filter lane like the guy who appears at 1:04 on the camera left, sure she is a bit wobbly but thats no excuse for driving like that. What good is stopping once he realises he has made a mistake? why not avoid making the "mistake" in the first place by driving with some degree of competence?

Why does every one want a dash cam fitted now? so they can record incidents like this and have proof it was the third partys fault in event of an incident. There is a 100 page thread on dashcams full of MOTORISTS posting footage of crap DRIVING here but cyclists dare wear cameras and post footage and are labelled militants....

Everyone makes mistakes sometimes including yourself. Plus I never used the word 'militant' lol.

Except for that one occasion at 20:40

And yeah I make mistakes too of course but they tend not to be the sort of mistakes which could result in a serious injury/fatality... Cycling on the road can be emotive, I appreciate it is dangerous but almost watching someone get crushed can raise the blood pressure a bit and I think on this occasion, the guy with the camera realised that the woman wasnt going to do or say anything though clearly shaken so he confronts the van driver himself. It might not be the right thing to do but I think he was somewhat emotionally charged and not just an angry militant video cameras on all angles cyclist...

[anonymous-user]

GC8 said:

You don't come across well. Only a fool rides down the nearside of an HGV. I suspect that cyclists have enough to contend with in London without this ridiculous suicidal behaviour.

Apologies if I dont come across well but its because of the your very reasoning, only a fool rides down the nearside of a HGV. Many, many cyclists now know, through the number of accidents and fatalities that cycling alongside a HGV is a dangerous situation to be in. Therefore you assume that fewer and fewer cyclists are doing it and the accidents and fatalities are now no longer a result of cyclists riding up and alongside HGVs, buses etc but because, as shown in the videos, the vehicle driver is impatient, overtakes the cyclist then hooks left and causes the crash.

So when people immediately assume the cyclist is at fault, of course people will come back and say hang on a minute, if we all know its dangerous and have stopped riding up and alongside HGVs, why are we still getting the blame in the incidents involving HGVs?

And yes I know some still do it, and I know they will get hurt or die but, well, Darwin... I have little sympathy for them if they choose not to ride with the appropriate level of self preservation.

Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 3rd February 21:26

[GC8]

GC8 said:

Terrible. That isn't an HGV though. Its a class C1 van driven, usually, on a car entitlement. Possibly the most poorly driven vehicles on the road. Maybe not quite as bad as Transit/Sprinter type vans, but they weigh so much more...

You should read the whole thread to see what I think, rather than assuming / making it up.

[anonymous-user]

pablo said:

St John Smythe said:

pablo said:

St John Smythe said:

Ahimoth said:

edgyedgy said:

you can clearly see signage on rear of truck saying not get too close.very sad still.

Why instinctively blame the cyclist? I've seen dozens of left hooks, or near left hooks. Occasionally you met a driver who assumes that anyone he's just overtaken instantly disassembles into their constituent atoms.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZCS3FLgYWM

Terrible driving but the guy stops straight away as he obviously realises he's made a mistake. However, what does militant video cameras on all angles cyclist do who had nothing to do with it? Go straight in and try to wind the situation up

If the cyclist who was almost hit was turning left they would be in the filter lane like the guy who appears at 1:04 on the camera left, sure she is a bit wobbly but thats no excuse for driving like that. What good is stopping once he realises he has made a mistake? why not avoid making the "mistake" in the first place by driving with some degree of competence?

Why does every one want a dash cam fitted now? so they can record incidents like this and have proof it was the third partys fault in event of an incident. There is a 100 page thread on dashcams full of MOTORISTS posting footage of crap DRIVING here but cyclists dare wear cameras and post footage and are labelled militants....

Everyone makes mistakes sometimes including yourself. Plus I never used the word 'militant' lol.

Except for that one occasion at 20:40

And yeah I make mistakes too of course but they tend not to be the sort of mistakes which could result in a serious injury/fatality... Cycling on the road can be emotive, I appreciate it is dangerous but almost watching someone get crushed can raise the blood pressure a bit and I think on this occasion, the guy with the camera realised that the woman wasnt going to do or say anything though clearly shaken so he confronts the van driver himself. It might not be the right thing to do but I think he was somewhat emotionally charged and not just an angry militant video cameras on all angles cyclist...

Ironically you come across a bit militant yourself with this post.

[HannsG]

Meanwhile in third world countries......

[okgo]

Regards the latest fatality, he was a fairly experienced club rider and racer I find it very difficult to believe he would be I putting himself into a situation like he has ALREADY been accused of on here.

As for that video how anyone can stick up for the truck driver there is literally just beyond any kind of basic logic.

Edited by okgo on Tuesday 3rd February 22:45

[daytona365]

London's roads are not compatible with cyclists in any way, shape or form. They can't even cope with vehicles, seeing as most of London's road network was basically designed in Victorian times and even before, for a handful of horse drawn carriages and later on for the 'horseless carriage' !!

[rambo19]

saaby93 said:

Ahimoth said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZCS3FLgYWM

That one's been posted before. If it wasnt for the cycle lane the cyclist looks as though they're going to follow the road around to the left until they start drifting to the right, no signals. Luckily the truck kept an eye on them or it could have been worse. The truck driver got fined. Someone said the junction's been changed now. There are usually 3 parties involved.

Don't take this the wrong way, but are you blind? FFS, the lorry driver was a pr*ck.
I'm not a fan of cyclists, but in this instance, the cyclist did nothing wrong.

[okgo]

rambo19 said:

Don't take this the wrong way, but are you blind? FFS, the lorry driver was a pr*ck.
I'm not a fan of cyclists, but in this instance, the cyclist did nothing wrong.

Sabby93, lord trumpton and jimboplob1 must be the same poster, surely

[saaby93]

rambo19 said:

saaby93 said:

Ahimoth said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZCS3FLgYWM

That one's been posted before. If it wasnt for the cycle lane the cyclist looks as though they're going to follow the road around to the left until they start drifting to the right, no signals. Luckily the truck kept an eye on them or it could have been worse. The truck driver got fined. Someone said the junction's been changed now. There are usually 3 parties involved.

Don't take this the wrong way, but are you blind? FFS, the lorry driver was a pr*ck.
I'm not a fan of cyclists, but in this instance, the cyclist did nothing wrong.

It was described previously.
It's a Y fork in the road and there've been quite a few accidents there. The truck doesnt have the luxury of a nice lane going left, so heads off left while the cyclist tries to go right. Luckily the truck was alert to what was happening. The cyclist less so but there was no coming together this time so all physically ok. The driver was fined.
Apparantly the junctions been changed. We've seen before the road layout can be just as much of an issue as the other two parties. You have to look at all 3 for overall improvement

[Mave]

saaby93 said:

. Luckily the truck was alert to what was happening. The cyclist less so..

Yeah, that's right, the truck driver made a poor decision to overtake immediately before turning left and was luckily alert enough to realise he was about to run over the person he was in the process of overtaking. What a hero.