Another cyclist dies in London

[Munter]

Antony Moxey said:

Have a read back of what you've just written, and imagine it to be someone else writing it. Then have a go at seeing if you think they're a complete fking retard or not.

I'm not the one who thinks having a car licence means I understand riding a bike and driving a tipper truck in close proximity.

Only a high level fktard would think that...

[Albert Bridge]

DJFish said:

I had the chance to sit in a cab at the recent bike show, it's a real eye opener how little visibility there is in some cases, even though I've driven a (little) lorry I was surprised at how easy it is for a cyclist to disappear, add another 20 or so at a busy junction plus cars, scooters, signs, lights and other distractions, it’s surprising there aren’t more accidents.

Just five minutes in a cab but it’ll certainly change the way I ride my bike.

Me too at the Excel show. Whaen I was sitting in the cab and the police did the demonstration I actually got goose bumps. I couldn't believe how the cyclist could just disappear, it was completely bonkers, really really shocking.

[Mr Gear]

Albert Bridge said:

Me too at the Excel show. Whaen I was sitting in the cab and the police did the demonstration I actually got goose bumps. I couldn't believe how the cyclist could just disappear, it was completely bonkers, really really shocking.

They don't disappear, they are still very much there. The problem is, lorries are dangerously ill-equipped to see them.

[Antony Moxey]

Munter said:

Antony Moxey said:

Have a read back of what you've just written, and imagine it to be someone else writing it. Then have a go at seeing if you think they're a complete fking retard or not.

I'm not the one who thinks having a car licence means I understand riding a bike and driving a tipper truck in close proximity.

Only a high level fktard would think that...

Neither am I, if that's what you think I'm saying then I think I'm correct with what I've written above.

[ZX10R NIN]

Antony Moxey said:

Probably because most cyclists are also likely to be truckers/car drivers/motorcyclists etc as well. I would guess that the number of cyclists who are purely cyclists is a minority.

Yes but if you're a car driver & you want to ride a motorbike you have to take a test same if you want to drive a truck cab bus etc there are different hazards depending on what you drive/ride.

So that isn't a good enough reason to not have training, to look at it another would rider training have helped prevent some of these deaths? I believe so would it have stopped them all NO but being aware of you surroundings & therefore things that could be a danger to you as a cyclist that aren't a problem to you as the car driver.

[WinstonWolf]

ZX10R NIN said:

Antony Moxey said:

Probably because most cyclists are also likely to be truckers/car drivers/motorcyclists etc as well. I would guess that the number of cyclists who are purely cyclists is a minority.

Yes but if you're a car driver & you want to ride a motorbike you have to take a test same if you want to drive a truck cab bus etc there are different hazards depending on what you drive/ride.

So that isn't a good enough reason to not have training, to look at it another would rider training have helped prevent some of these deaths? I believe so would it have stopped them all NO but being aware of you surroundings & therefore things that could be a danger to you as a cyclist that aren't a problem to you as the car driver.

If taking a test is the answer why are motorcyclists known as organ donors?

[ZX10R NIN]

WinstonWolf said:

If taking a test is the answer why are motorcyclists known as organ donors?

I didn't say it was the only answer but could help also as the test has got harder, as much as I don't like the new system the number of deaths has fallen, yes more motorcyclists have died on London's roads than cyclists but at least they're trying to do something about it.

Does that mean Motorcyclists should have their own lane rather than cyclists because more are dying on London's Roads?

[gazza285]

ZX10R NIN said:

I didn't say it was the only answer but could help also as the test has got harder, as much as I don't like the new system the number of deaths has fallen, yes more motorcyclists have died on London's roads than cyclists but at least they're trying to do something about it.

Does that mean Motorcyclists should have their own lane rather than cyclists because more are dying on London's Roads?

Perhaps they should be made to get off and walk across junctions?

[anonymous-user]

Just spotted this over on Trucknet, it was spotted on a UK motorway, might help somewhat but sadly takes away any advantages a high seat gives you when it comes to spotting problems and forward planning needed when driving 44 tonnes, but why let that get in the way of things...........


http://www.voslogistics.com//viewdbimg.asp?id=192&...

[IroningMan]

NorfolkInClue1 said:

Just spotted this over on Trucknet, it was spotted on a UK motorway, might help somewhat but sadly takes away any advantages a high seat gives you when it comes to spotting problems and forward planning needed when driving 44 tonnes, but why let that get in the way of things...........


http://www.voslogistics.com//viewdbimg.asp?id=192&...

Might be progress, indeed. Won't compromise the driver's ability to forward plan when he adopts the traditional position 10ft behind the wagon in front of him.

[WinstonWolf]

ZX10R NIN said:

WinstonWolf said:

If taking a test is the answer why are motorcyclists known as organ donors?

I didn't say it was the only answer but could help also as the test has got harder, as much as I don't like the new system the number of deaths has fallen, yes more motorcyclists have died on London's roads than cyclists but at least they're trying to do something about it.

Does that mean Motorcyclists should have their own lane rather than cyclists because more are dying on London's Roads?

No.

[ZX10R NIN]

gazza285 said:

Perhaps they should be made to get off and walk across junctions?

Yes that to once we get our own lane

Edited by ZX10R NIN on Saturday 28th February 15:35

[ZX10R NIN]

WinstonWolf said:

ZX10R NIN said:

WinstonWolf said:

If taking a test is the answer why are motorcyclists known as organ donors?

I didn't say it was the only answer but could help also as the test has got harder, as much as I don't like the new system the number of deaths has fallen, yes more motorcyclists have died on London's roads than cyclists but at least they're trying to do something about it.

Does that mean Motorcyclists should have their own lane rather than cyclists because more are dying on London's Roads?

No.

Why not? Wasn't that the reasoning behind the cycle super highway?

[GEARJAMMER]

lol, this thread really is amusing.

You only have to read this thread to see why nobody respects cyclists.

The best bit is thinking that landfill sites will have to change their ways.... to accommodate third party vehicles whos design has had to change to accommodate cyclists.

I bet 99% of cyclists/Londoners have never even seen a landfill site, let alone been on one.

[Antony Moxey]

ZX10R NIN said:

Antony Moxey said:

Probably because most cyclists are also likely to be truckers/car drivers/motorcyclists etc as well. I would guess that the number of cyclists who are purely cyclists is a minority.

Yes but if you're a car driver & you want to ride a motorbike you have to take a test same if you want to drive a truck cab bus etc there are different hazards depending on what you drive/ride.

So that isn't a good enough reason to not have training, to look at it another would rider training have helped prevent some of these deaths? I believe so would it have stopped them all NO but being aware of you surroundings & therefore things that could be a danger to you as a cyclist that aren't a problem to you as the car driver.

I'm not so sure. There have been many deaths where it has been proven the cyclist was not to blame. That being the case it means that a car driver, bus driver, truck driver or motor cyclist was to blame, all of whom have had some form of training. If they are still responsible for cyclists' deaths after training then what good will training cyclists do?

I also wonder what's to be learned. I've never driven a truck or bus or other large vehicle and only drive cars and ride bikes, yet I've never been involved in anything like a potentially fatal situation either as a car driver or cyclist. I'm not a stupid person, I can see the dangers large vehicles pose when I'm on my bike as well as being aware of he dangers I pose to cyclists when I'm driving - what's the point of training for me, what will I learn? Plus I suspect it'll be a nightmare to police and administer too.

And before someone with limited reading skills chips in, I'm not saying that cyclists are never the responsible party in fatal incidents.

[Finlandia]

Mr Gear said:

Albert Bridge said:

Me too at the Excel show. Whaen I was sitting in the cab and the police did the demonstration I actually got goose bumps. I couldn't believe how the cyclist could just disappear, it was completely bonkers, really really shocking.

They don't disappear, they are still very much there. The problem is, lorries are dangerously ill-equipped to see them.

It doesn't really matter if you have mirrors covering every inch and angle of the truck, the driver can't look at all of them at the same time. What is needed is information of what to do or not to do when you are close to a big vehicle. One easy rule to remember, if you cannot see the driver in the mirrors, he cannot see you.

[Mr Gear]

Handy to know that when a lorry cuts you up.

[Finlandia]

Mr Gear said:

Handy to know that when a lorry cuts you up.

Maybe more so when sitting in the blind spot.

[Devil2575]

Finlandia said:

It doesn't really matter if you have mirrors covering every inch and angle of the truck, the driver can't look at all of them at the same time. What is needed is information of what to do or not to do when you are close to a big vehicle. One easy rule to remember, if you cannot see the driver in the mirrors, he cannot see you.

Another easy rule, you cannot control the actions of others but you can control your own. Rather than expecting other people to change their behavior in order to prevent a situation consider how you might change your behaviour. By altering your behaviour you put yourself in control of your situation. This applies to all road users.

[Diderot]

Mr Gear said:

Handy to know that when a lorry cuts you up.

Define being cut up.