Lewis Carroll - repressed paedo?
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Rude-boy said:
To be honest I'm not sure what good, or ill, will come of this.
Whilst I am very happy to be in the camp of those who have no interest in women (or man) who are not fully developed I do have a great deal of difficulty in imposing our social mores, rules and laws in retrospect.
The linked article states that the photo is of a teenager, yet also that the age of consent back then was 12. We are talking about a period in time when it was perfectly possible to collect a prostitute who was well under 18 openly. Sickening to me and by the standards we live by today, but if not normal then, accepted.
Was he a wrongun? Who knows, I strongly suspect that by our standards in 2015 he was. To judge him by those standards though is as wrong, especially as we don't even know if he definitely did do anything that is not in keeping with today's laws, let alone those of 150 years ago.
But he is a male, he had an unusual relationship with a young girl, and so his works must be stricken from the record and his name placed with those of Paul Gadd, Rolf Harris and Jimmy Saville...
Absolutetely correct.Whilst I am very happy to be in the camp of those who have no interest in women (or man) who are not fully developed I do have a great deal of difficulty in imposing our social mores, rules and laws in retrospect.
The linked article states that the photo is of a teenager, yet also that the age of consent back then was 12. We are talking about a period in time when it was perfectly possible to collect a prostitute who was well under 18 openly. Sickening to me and by the standards we live by today, but if not normal then, accepted.
Was he a wrongun? Who knows, I strongly suspect that by our standards in 2015 he was. To judge him by those standards though is as wrong, especially as we don't even know if he definitely did do anything that is not in keeping with today's laws, let alone those of 150 years ago.
But he is a male, he had an unusual relationship with a young girl, and so his works must be stricken from the record and his name placed with those of Paul Gadd, Rolf Harris and Jimmy Saville...
It's a "right on" bandwagon, nothing less.
Edited by TheJimi on Tuesday 27th January 09:15
So what is everyone's view after watching the program?
What struck me was the assumption at the time was that while an adult male sniffing around a 13 year old might be regarded as a bit off. Any such affection for a girl significantly younger was seen as by definition innocent.
'It's OK, he was only affectionate with 8 year old Alice not her pubescent/over the age of consent sister.'
The reverse of the current view.
What struck me was the assumption at the time was that while an adult male sniffing around a 13 year old might be regarded as a bit off. Any such affection for a girl significantly younger was seen as by definition innocent.
'It's OK, he was only affectionate with 8 year old Alice not her pubescent/over the age of consent sister.'
The reverse of the current view.
Eric Mc said:
All I learned from this was that Will Self always thinks the worst of everyone.
He's a permanent streak of misery.
There are few people who I can not stand and Will Self is one of them. Miserable sod that he is.He's a permanent streak of misery.
Him and Shappi Khorsandi, who begins every appearance across all forms of media by immediately reminding any and everybody that she is both female and from Iran.
I actually don't mind Self in some contexts. He's always good value for money on "Question Time" and his "Points of View" on Radio 4 are worth listening to. But he does tend to see the blackness in everything.
He recently did a walk around the Large Hadron Collider for Radio 4 and he spent the whole series rubbishing the enterprise.
He recently did a walk around the Large Hadron Collider for Radio 4 and he spent the whole series rubbishing the enterprise.
Eric Mc said:
He recently did a walk around the Large Hadron Collider for Radio 4 and he spent the whole series rubbishing the enterprise.
Perhaps he was unable to fathom which side is the "left" side of a circle? 
Yes, he should stick to what he's good at. Dry humour rather than a role as witchfinder general.
Quite ironic, considering the self same idiot didn't like it when he was 'suspected'.
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/aug/18/will-...
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/aug/18/will-...
Eric Mc said:
All I learned from this was that Will Self always thinks the worst of everyone.
He's a permanent streak of misery.
Maybe it is Will Self, himself, who has the dark thoughts, which he thenHe's a permanent streak of misery.
projects onto another man, because he believes another man must naturally
also think the same way as he does.
One thing's for sure, Self's literary oeuvre won't be the subject of an
hour-long documentary by a national broadcaster in a hundred years time.
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