Benedict Cumberbatch sorry for 'coloured' comment
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scorp said:
FredClogs said:
Eton educated ponce can't converse with people in the real world - not news, no surprise.
I don't think he attended Eton? And why such prejudice ?wiki said:
Cumberbatch was born 19 July 1976 in London, England,[2] to actors Timothy Carlton (né Timothy Carlton Congdon Cumberbatch)[3] and Wanda Ventham.[4] He grew up in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea. He has a half-sister, Tracy Peacock, from his mother's first marriage.[5] His grandfather, Henry Carlton Cumberbatch, was a decorated submarine officer of both World Wars, and a prominent figure of London high society. His great-grandfather, Henry Arnold Cumberbatch CMG, was Queen Victoria's consul general in Turkey and Lebanon.[6][7]
Cumberbatch attended boarding schools from the age of eight,[8] was educated at Brambletye School in West Sussex, and was an arts scholar at Harrow School.[9][10][11] He was a member of The Rattigan Society, Harrow's principal club for the dramatic arts, which was named after Old Harrovian and playwright Terence Rattigan.[12] He was involved in numerous Shakespearean works at school and made his acting debut as Titania, Queen of the Fairies, in A Midsummer Night's Dream when he was 12.[13] Cumberbatch's drama teacher, Martin Tyrell, called him "the best schoolboy actor" he had ever worked with.
Cumberbatch attended boarding schools from the age of eight,[8] was educated at Brambletye School in West Sussex, and was an arts scholar at Harrow School.[9][10][11] He was a member of The Rattigan Society, Harrow's principal club for the dramatic arts, which was named after Old Harrovian and playwright Terence Rattigan.[12] He was involved in numerous Shakespearean works at school and made his acting debut as Titania, Queen of the Fairies, in A Midsummer Night's Dream when he was 12.[13] Cumberbatch's drama teacher, Martin Tyrell, called him "the best schoolboy actor" he had ever worked with.
Digga said:
FredClogs said:
"People of colour" is acceptable and a plural term, identifying someone as "coloured" is not, spelling colour "color" is never acceptable.
Sorry, but that is bonkers, Machiavellian. If you are talking about mixed races - Asian, African, Afro Caribbean etc. - then surely "coloured" is grammatically and therefore factually, rationally correct.I understand that we now live in a world where, for sensible reasons, no one's dog is named after Wing.Co Guy Gibson's, but I do think there is too much made of specific wording, rather than intent.
Digga said:
FredClogs said:
"People of colour" is acceptable and a plural term, identifying someone as "coloured" is not, spelling colour "color" is never acceptable.
Sorry, but that is bonkers, Machiavellian. If you are talking about mixed races - Asian, African, Afro Caribbean etc. - then surely "coloured" is grammatically and therefore factually, rationally correct.we're all coloured
while his apology was far too longwinded and the fuss, over the top......I'm surprised that in 2015 there are grownups on here saying "I thought coloured was fine".
No surprise for dragging out the "I dont care if you say pale", "guys dog was called
" etc stuff though.....surprised no one has mentioned the MOBOs yet???
No surprise for dragging out the "I dont care if you say pale", "guys dog was called
" etc stuff though.....surprised no one has mentioned the MOBOs yet???Tiggsy said:
while his apology was far too longwinded and the fuss, over the top......I'm surprised that in 2015 there are grownups on here saying "I thought coloured was fine".
No surprise for dragging out the "I dont care if you say pale", "guys dog was called" etc stuff though.....surprised no one has mentioned the MOBOs yet???
For me, the issue is there doesn't seem to be any way to refer to a subset of a population without somebody within that subset taking offence. Yet it's entirely appropriate that terms are available with which to refer to identifiably different groups, whether that identification is the colour of their skin, their race, their religion or even what type of school they went to. No surprise for dragging out the "I dont care if you say pale", "guys dog was called
" etc stuff though.....surprised no one has mentioned the MOBOs yet???There is no 'approved' terminology when it comes to race or religion. Stephen Fry had it right - 'you have the choice to be offended or not, I have the choice to use words you may find offensive'. Context is everything, as is consistency. Considering the point he was making, there should be no reasonable rationale for taking offence (especially when the largest single issue group in the States on this uses that exact term in their name)...
McWigglebum4th said:
FredClogs said:
Eton educated ponce can't converse with people in the real world - not news, no surprise.
Oh look our lefty pet is outraged at someone might be prejudiced against someoneWhile insulting someone because they went to Eton
Anyway, for those who are still wondering quite what all the fuss is about, here's a sign that people of my fathers generation had to obey on a daily basis in general public in the US. It really is very relevant today and if your someone with a £six figure education you are expected to know this stuff. Some of the folk on these forums can be excused on grounds of ignorance I suppose, if that's what they want.
PC gone mad.
I'm white.
Sonny Liston was coloured..
(Well he wasn't white was he?)
Man runs out of a jewellers shop with a bag of watches carrying a machete...
Police come.
Witness who was passing by thinks "I'd better not tell the police he was 6ft tall, wore a red jacket, had a beard and was WHITE, otherwise I'll be on a charge".....
ffs!
I'm white.
Sonny Liston was coloured..
(Well he wasn't white was he?)
Man runs out of a jewellers shop with a bag of watches carrying a machete...
Police come.
Witness who was passing by thinks "I'd better not tell the police he was 6ft tall, wore a red jacket, had a beard and was WHITE, otherwise I'll be on a charge".....
ffs!
I joined a shift at work where there was someone called Black Fred and another called Fred. There was a black bloke called Fred and a white bloke called Fred and I decided which was which. I asked the black bloke if he minded being called Black Fred and he said he wasn't. It seemed Black Fred was the white one and he serviced his own car and left most of the oil in and around his fingernails.
It was confusing to those outside the group, probably deliberately so due to the shift, and one of the other supervisors got a pull from the all knowing great and good above us about using the term black to differentiate between the two Freds. Fred, the black one, was called and asked if he minded the other Fred, the white one, being called black. He admitted that he found it funny but his opinion, that of the black bloke whose feelings were being protected, was of no account. After all, he was just a black bloke, so what did he know.
So we, as a shift, were ordered not to call a white bloke black because it was, one assumes, racist.
If I'd had the bottle I would have asked if it was now alright to call the black Fred Black Fred and the white Fred, the old Black Fred, White Fred. I think I've put that correctly.
The point was that having a nickname, and in the case of Fred, the black Fred, the absence of the term black when referring to him, was to show he was accepted in the shift. The thing is we all liked Fred, the black one. He was an intelligent, well educated lad and personable. He was also quite a grafter.
He would put on an accent he called his biddly-bong (it had a walk that went with it) when he felt it an advantage in questioning people. So he'd ask some white lad in a clapped out Escort: 'He man, me saw you got no disc thing. Don you need dat?' That sort of stuff. If he arrested said lad, he'd bring him into the nick and then put on a 'cut glass' accent, real posh like. The prisoners sometimes complained but when it came to wording the complaint they'd struggle.
We had one solicitor suggest that it was racist.
It was confusing to those outside the group, probably deliberately so due to the shift, and one of the other supervisors got a pull from the all knowing great and good above us about using the term black to differentiate between the two Freds. Fred, the black one, was called and asked if he minded the other Fred, the white one, being called black. He admitted that he found it funny but his opinion, that of the black bloke whose feelings were being protected, was of no account. After all, he was just a black bloke, so what did he know.
So we, as a shift, were ordered not to call a white bloke black because it was, one assumes, racist.
If I'd had the bottle I would have asked if it was now alright to call the black Fred Black Fred and the white Fred, the old Black Fred, White Fred. I think I've put that correctly.
The point was that having a nickname, and in the case of Fred, the black Fred, the absence of the term black when referring to him, was to show he was accepted in the shift. The thing is we all liked Fred, the black one. He was an intelligent, well educated lad and personable. He was also quite a grafter.
He would put on an accent he called his biddly-bong (it had a walk that went with it) when he felt it an advantage in questioning people. So he'd ask some white lad in a clapped out Escort: 'He man, me saw you got no disc thing. Don you need dat?' That sort of stuff. If he arrested said lad, he'd bring him into the nick and then put on a 'cut glass' accent, real posh like. The prisoners sometimes complained but when it came to wording the complaint they'd struggle.
We had one solicitor suggest that it was racist.
Hugo a Gogo said:
Digga said:
FredClogs said:
"People of colour" is acceptable and a plural term, identifying someone as "coloured" is not, spelling colour "color" is never acceptable.
Sorry, but that is bonkers, Machiavellian. If you are talking about mixed races - Asian, African, Afro Caribbean etc. - then surely "coloured" is grammatically and therefore factually, rationally correct.we're all coloured
ks.Yes, it is fairly well proven that the cradle of humanity was Africa, and that all human life is descended from a very small number of original, individual humans, but nonetheless, for various reasons, we are visually different colours. Race has nothing to do with colour.
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