Benedict Cumberbatch sorry for 'coloured' comment

[Ali G]

dudleybloke said:

Not if your Spanish.

Spanish have a lot to be thankful for 'though - or not.

The Moors...

http://www.andalucia.com/history/spainsmoorishhist...

It's not that black and white.

[anonymous-user]

Triumph Man said:

Honkey

You can't use that word.

That's OUR word.

[Thorodin]

With regard to the remark credited to Fry, ("You have the right to be offended or not...")it's the usual semi-intellectual ordure regularly issuing from that source. All very glib and spouted to take advantage of a gullible audience. To take offence at what someone deliberately throws out with the intention of offending or as an agent provocateur is a perfectly natural and predictable reaction to what amounts as a taunt. However, in the case of the OP, this just doesn't apply. For a start, 'black' people aren't. They are generally brown. A complete and utter load of cobblers, designed to project an issue of predictable contention and an attempt to consolidate a mini empire in the Racial Insult industry.

[Fantic SuperT]

longblackcoat said:

Fantic SuperT said:

longblackcoat said:

And white men have been in power for a very long time.....

In the geographical regions settled by their ancestors, using the political and legal processes, industrial, technical and economic tools they invented, and in the societies they established which have attracted migrants from around the world.

Struggling to understand, but I think you're saying that whitey invented it, so he should stay in power. Feel free to correct me if I misread your post.

I'm saying the UK is closer to a meritocracy than you'd probably like to give it credit. That doesn't mean there are never exceptions or that old money doesn't have influence, but most of what surrounds us in the fabric of British society was built by white men over a long period of time. That is the primary reason they have been in power for a very long time in this country. It doesn't tie the future to the past and the young will inherit it all in any case, but the most successful route to success is usually merit, not quotas as I think you were suggesting.

[WinstonWolf]

unrepentant said:

B17NNS said:

You can't keep up with appropriate terminology these days. Black used to be offensive and coloured was acceptable. Now it's the other way round. Strangely, 'people of colour' is fine. If people had listened to the sentiment rather than taken one word out of context they'd have not been offended at all.

Coloured has never been acceptable, nor has people of colour.

It certainly used to be the PC term... It is hard to keep up though.
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[anonymous-user]

unrepentant said:

B17NNS said:

You can't keep up with appropriate terminology these days. Black used to be offensive and coloured was acceptable. Now it's the other way round. Strangely, 'people of colour' is fine. If people had listened to the sentiment rather than taken one word out of context they'd have not been offended at all.

Coloured has never been acceptable, nor has people of colour.

st. Better tell Rev Jesse Jackson.

[zygalski]

WinstonWolf said:

unrepentant said:

B17NNS said:

You can't keep up with appropriate terminology these days. Black used to be offensive and coloured was acceptable. Now it's the other way round. Strangely, 'people of colour' is fine. If people had listened to the sentiment rather than taken one word out of context they'd have not been offended at all.

Coloured has never been acceptable, nor has people of colour.

It certainly used to be the PC term... It is hard to keep up though.
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Well you see nothing wrong with calling black folk n*****s so I think we can pretty much take your stance in this matter for granted.

[Troubleatmill]

OpulentBob said:

unrepentant said:

B17NNS said:

You can't keep up with appropriate terminology these days. Black used to be offensive and coloured was acceptable. Now it's the other way round. Strangely, 'people of colour' is fine. If people had listened to the sentiment rather than taken one word out of context they'd have not been offended at all.

Coloured has never been acceptable, nor has people of colour.

st. Better tell Rev Jesse Jackson.

Or Martin Luther King. - Although I think his was "citizens of color"


ATEOTD - This is a non story.

[zygalski]

People are feigning ignorance or telling outright lies when they say they thought the term coloured was in use as a normal reference to race.
Can't remember the last time I heard the term, other than in a film or documentary.
If you hear the word black used as a commonplace reference to race then I would think it stands to reason that it's an acceptable word. The norm, if you like.
Like I said earlier, lots of pretend troll bullst going on in threads like these in this forum....

[Claudia Skies]

zygalski said:

People are feigning ignorance or telling outright lies when they say they thought the term coloured was in use as a normal reference to race.....

You, Sir, are carrying a very substantial chip on your shoulder.

At least those of us who you describe as "ignorant" have learnt something today.

What have you learnt?

[MrHorsepower]

Personally, I find Cumberbatch's comments to be highly inappropriate and he has lowered himself greatly in my estimation.










I refer specifically to the comments where he says he's sorry for effectively doing nothing wrong.

[zygalski]

Claudia Skies said:

You, Sir, are carrying a very substantial chip on your shoulder.

At least those of us who you describe as "ignorant" have learnt something today.

What have you learnt?

Trolls are here to stay

[J4CKO]

Its all so confusing,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Negro_College_...




"People of Colour", sounds like a decorating shop, why the fk would that be different that "Coloured" though, I don't even feel comfortable saying Black in case I cause some race hate incident, I prefer just saying Him or Her.

[Ali G]

zygalski said:

People are feigning ignorance or telling outright lies when they say they thought the term coloured was in use as a normal reference to race.

An Assertion

zygalski said:

Can't remember the last time I heard the term, other than in a film or documentary.

Without evidence to the contrary - a Fact

zigalski said:

If you hear the word black used as a commonplace reference to race then I would think it stands to reason that it's an acceptable word. The norm, if you like.

Another assertion

zygalski said:

Like I said earlier, lots of pretend troll bullst going on in threads like these in this forum....

Non sequitur

Your logic is flawed.

[zygalski]

Ali G said:

Non sequitur

Your logic is flawed.

Ok Mr Justswallowedadictionary.
When was the last time you heard someone refer to a coloured person as opposed to a black person in any media prior to Cumberbatch's self-admitted gaffe?

[andy_s]

Calm down you big drama queen.

[Troubleatmill]

@zygalski

I think it was 2002.

"Oh my God. Oh my God. I'm sorry. This moment is so much bigger than me. This moment is for Dorothy Dandridge, Lena Horne, Diahann Carroll. It's for the women that stand beside me, Jada Pinkett, Angela Bassett, Vivica Fox. And it's for every nameless, faceless woman of color that now has a chance because this door tonight has been opened. Thank you. I'm so honored. I'm so honored. And I thank the Academy for choosing me to be the vessel for which His blessing might flow." - Halle Berry.

This is the speech she gave when picking up her Oscar.


Maybe, just maybe - a little latitude is needed when someone gets it wrong; especially in both Halle and Benedict's examples - they are trying to promote Black artists.


Edit: Watch it here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llgL7mGYVTI
Start playing in around 1:45

Edited by Troubleatmill on Tuesday 27th January 18:25

[LucreLout]

sampsan said:

Was always told that using 'black' was racist, and the word coloured was acceptable.
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Yes, me too.

I'm about cumberbatch's age, and back when we were school age the lefty nonsense brigade were very much pushing that the word black was racist, and coloured was the only acceptable term.

If they've messed about with terminology so much that they now find their own newspeak offensive, then the best solution is for them to STFU and stop looking to be offended.

[Grandfondo]

zygalski said:

Ali G said:

Non sequitur

Your logic is flawed.

Ok Mr Justswallowedadictionary.
When was the last time you heard someone refer to a coloured person as opposed to a black person in any media prior to Cumberbatch's self-admitted gaffe?

Radio 5 live Dave Basset used the term on numerous occasions only a few weeks ago!

[Troubleatmill]

LucreLout said:

sampsan said:

Was always told that using 'black' was racist, and the word coloured was acceptable.
]

Yes, me too.

I'm about cumberbatch's age, and back when we were school age the lefty nonsense brigade were very much pushing that the word black was racist, and coloured was the only acceptable term.

If they've messed about with terminology so much that they now find their own newspeak offensive, then the best solution is for them to STFU and stop looking to be offended.

And me.
I left like st when I was introduced to a work colleague who later took me to one side and politely explained that he preferred the term black.
I have made that faux pas about 6 times in 50 years. Purely down to it being an acceptable and non-offensive word when I was young.