Benedict Cumberbatch sorry for 'coloured' comment

[dudleybloke]

They should stop being so precious.

[Digga]

dudleybloke said:

Theyeveryone should stop being so precious.

EFA

Agree that we should just get on with being humans, it's a lot better that way.

[McWigglebum4th]

anonymous said:

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It is deeply unacceptable in lefty world to insult anyone who isn't white who went to a crap school because they aren't white or because they went to a crap school

however in lefty world

Anyone who is white and went to a fee paying school are complete scum and you can say anything you want about them

[Asterix]

I heard earlier the newly formed "Women's Offended Group" have still to agree on a logo before releasing a comment on how upset they are.

[FredClogs]

anonymous said:

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Errr... I'm just demonstrating how his dislocation from reality and awareness of the acceptable vernacular came from - his closeted and extremely privileged upbringing, he has an excuse for his ignorance - I'm being kind to him.

[Hugo a Gogo]

Digga said:

Hugo a Gogo said:

Digga said:

FredClogs said:

"People of colour" is acceptable and a plural term, identifying someone as "coloured" is not, spelling colour "color" is never acceptable.

Sorry, but that is bonkers, Machiavellian. If you are talking about mixed races - Asian, African, Afro Caribbean etc. - then surely "coloured" is grammatically and therefore factually, rationally correct.

not really, the idea of race itself isn't based on facts, or rationality

we're all coloured

bks.

Yes, it is fairly well proven that the cradle of humanity was Africa, and that all human life is descended from a very small number of original, individual humans, but nonetheless, for various reasons, we are visually different colours. Race has nothing to do with colour.

so tell me how you define each of theses races

[Digga]

Hugo a Gogo said:

Digga said:

Hugo a Gogo said:

Digga said:

FredClogs said:

"People of colour" is acceptable and a plural term, identifying someone as "coloured" is not, spelling colour "color" is never acceptable.

Sorry, but that is bonkers, Machiavellian. If you are talking about mixed racesskin colours - Asian, African, Afro Caribbean etc. - then surely "coloured" is grammatically and therefore factually, rationally correct.

not really, the idea of race itself isn't based on facts, or rationality

we're all coloured

bks.

Yes, it is fairly well proven that the cradle of humanity was Africa, and that all human life is descended from a very small number of original, individual humans, but nonetheless, for various reasons, we are visually different colours. Race has nothing to do with colour.

so tell me how you define each of theses races

ISWYM - fixed my original post, in bold.

[FredClogs]

Hugo a Gogo said:

Digga said:

Hugo a Gogo said:

Digga said:

FredClogs said:

"People of colour" is acceptable and a plural term, identifying someone as "coloured" is not, spelling colour "color" is never acceptable.

Sorry, but that is bonkers, Machiavellian. If you are talking about mixed races - Asian, African, Afro Caribbean etc. - then surely "coloured" is grammatically and therefore factually, rationally correct.

not really, the idea of race itself isn't based on facts, or rationality

we're all coloured

bks.

Yes, it is fairly well proven that the cradle of humanity was Africa, and that all human life is descended from a very small number of original, individual humans, but nonetheless, for various reasons, we are visually different colours. Race has nothing to do with colour.

so tell me how you define each of theses races

He's going to quote some Victorian eugenics scientist and claim the 5 races of man or some such other 19th century nonsense, he'll probably use the term Mongoloid and hope no one notices that the year is 2015. These conversations and internet forum stock in trade, they rarely differ much, the only interest here is Cumberbatch being young(ish) and privileged and how it makes the "British" look in global terms, because like it or not he is "Britain" to the Americans, quaint, privileged, entitled and arrogant. Shame on him. Vinnie Jones managed to crack Hollywood without offending anyone.

Edited by FredClogs on Tuesday 27th January 10:39

[Digga]

FredClogs said:

Errr... I'm just demonstrating how his dislocation from reality and awareness of the acceptable vernacular came from - his closeted and extremely privileged upbringing, he has an excuse for his ignorance - I'm being kind to him.

Did your school canteen serve a lot of chips?

[zygalski]

Fartomatic5000 said:

Anyone know the history of the word? I thought it started being used because some found "black" offensive. Hard to keep up with the serially offended PC crowd.

Typical faux ignorance.
Clearly you have access to the internet. You may watch tv, listen to the radio & read newspapers too. When was the last time in any media that you saw or heard a black person being described as "coloured" when used as the description of race?
Some people talk utter bks in these forums. Your post being a prime example.

[Claudia Skies]

FredClogs said:

"People of colour" is acceptable and a plural term, identifying someone as "coloured" is not.

Which highlights how incredibly stupid the whole thing has become. How can someone be part of the group "people of colour" unless he/she is "coloured"?

Using the word "black" for light brown people seems very odd to me.
Mediterranean people are very similar in skin colour to some of those we are now apparently supposed to call "black". A light skin-toned Asian for instance. And what PC category are Arabs? And then you move further East to Orientals, what PC word is appropriate there?

If you need to identify someone whose name you do not know, for instance describing one shop assistant to another, no-one would be surprised to hear you say "I was served by a blond girl". In similar circumstances what is the correct way to describe a person with brown skin?

[FredClogs]

Digga said:

FredClogs said:

Errr... I'm just demonstrating how his dislocation from reality and awareness of the acceptable vernacular came from - his closeted and extremely privileged upbringing, he has an excuse for his ignorance - I'm being kind to him.

Did your school canteen serve a lot of chips?

Yeah that's right, chips and gravy.

[Digga]

FredClogs said:

Digga said:

FredClogs said:

Errr... I'm just demonstrating how his dislocation from reality and awareness of the acceptable vernacular came from - his closeted and extremely privileged upbringing, he has an excuse for his ignorance - I'm being kind to him.

Did your school canteen serve a lot of chips?

Yeah that's right, chips and gravy.

On your shoulder?

[tom2019]

Who actually took offence, are they black?

If not then they should stfu

[Agoogy]

I've never seen a black person before...or a white one.
Seen absolutely loads and loads in varying shades of brown and or creamy/beigey/peach....I mean the tones in one's skin vary from head toe. To collectively brand any race/continent/area with one single word offends me.
What do the cops use for the varying 'groups' we all seem happy to described within? Caucasian and...?

As said regardless of what kind of person said it, and who they were referring to, or what kind of apology cme aftwerwards.... those offended aren't really.....just seeking some airtime.

Only context has any real impact...

[Claudia Skies]

zygalski said:

Typical faux ignorance.
Clearly you have access to the internet. You may watch tv, listen to the radio & read newspapers too. When was the last time in any media that you saw or heard a black person being described as "coloured" when used as the description of race?
Some people talk utter bks in these forums. Your post being a prime example.

I have been around for many years and have NEVER been aware until today that the word "coloured" had any unfortunate connotations.

My recollection of being in South Africa many years ago is that there was a distinct ethnic group known as Cape Coloureds, being of mixed black/white ancestry.

In fact I've just googled the term and this is what Wikipedia has to say,

"The term "coloured" is treated as a neutral description in Southern Africa, classifying people of mixed race ancestry. In western countries, such as the USA the term is regarded as a derogatory term: the preferred usage is "person of color". It should be noted, however, that this term tends to mean any non-white person, as opposed to a mixed-race person, where the term "multiracial" is used. "Coloured" may also be seen as offensive in some other western countries, such as Britain."

You live and learn.

[B17NNS]

You can't keep up with appropriate terminology these days. Black used to be offensive and coloured was acceptable. Now it's the other way round. Strangely, 'people of colour' is fine. If people had listened to the sentiment rather than taken one word out of context they'd have not been offended at all.

[Digga]

Agoogy said:

I've never seen a black person before...or a white one.

If you've never seen flourescent white skin, you have never been on a beach holiday in the UK. (Away strip is bright pink, FWIW.)

[TTwiggy]

B17NNS said:

You can't keep up with appropriate terminology these days.

You really can you know. I'm 43 and I've known that 'coloured' hasn't been acceptable for quite a long time.

[Gerradi]

My wife of 20yrs is Black, I remember my dear old dad talking with my wife & I commenting how,iho, coloured people look so much better than us white in flamboyant colured clothing. My wife laughed & said "Les I am basically one colour its you who are coloured , look your face & hands are brown your body is pink & your legs a light brown with white feet" Dad was stunned & did not stop laughing with her for about a full 2 minutes ,then said " I'm offended" Lol.

I am sure most Black/Brown people could not care less.
The people that do should breathe & relax...
Fred you do coma across a bit like Wolfy at times ...POWER to the PEOPLE
Relax