Apple announces MASSIVE profits
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DrDoofenshmirtz said:
My comparison was more about the device. No Android device is as 'nice' as an Apple device.
Clearly...it MUST matter. How else do you explain their massive success?
There are many high end Android based devices that have equal or superior build quality at a cheaper price point. You say 'nice' which is basically your appreciation of the design philosophy of the device alongside the material quality. They're success comes from a combination of selling the aspiration of owning a sleek white device. The tech is not new, the hardware isn't ground breaking, they seem to run about 2 years behind on the most up to date features that Android phones have. Clearly...it MUST matter. How else do you explain their massive success?
Edited by DrDoofenshmirtz on Thursday 29th January 07:21
I moved away from Apple after the 3G. I hated being stuck in a single framework. In fact I still have countless hours of music and tv essentially stuck due to DRM on the iTunes system that I have paid for and no longer have access to.
chrispmartha said:
Apple IMO has never been about innovation (apart from in industrial/product design) . What they have always been good at is taking existing ideas and technology and making them work properly for the end user. Look at the iPod, it wasn't the first portable digital music player but it was the best looking and the easiest to use, same with the iphone, it wasn't the first touch screen mobile phone/internet browser but they Mae it look good and simple to use.
^ This. The killer point of the iPhone wasn't (IMO) innovation: it was drawing a lot of existing tech together into a single item and then making the whole package very easy to use. By way of comparison, does no one remember the joy of setting up an email account or configure wap settings on a phone pre-iPhone? I remember my first iphone - type in the email address and password and bingo: it's all done - and being pleased and every so slightly disappointed that I wouldn't have to delve into the settings sub menus to make it work.
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I think iPhones generally get by on much smaller battery capacities than the competition. Part of the move to bigger phones by Apple's competitors years ago was to be able to achieve a reasonable battery life IMO.anonymous said:
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You are correct that they certainly are not a majority, however I believe that they're the largest minority.Apple for me have many parallels to VW.
They are offering a product that in reality is like all others only they dress it up in some false pretence.
With VW its legendary build quality and class status, with Apple its sleek and a hip and cool. Peel back the bulls
t and you have cars, no better than a Ford and a phone no better than any android device.
What they really have in common is amazing marketing. Fair play to them but dony delude yourself either product is 'better' thats purely personal.
They are offering a product that in reality is like all others only they dress it up in some false pretence.
With VW its legendary build quality and class status, with Apple its sleek and a hip and cool. Peel back the bulls
t and you have cars, no better than a Ford and a phone no better than any android device. What they really have in common is amazing marketing. Fair play to them but dony delude yourself either product is 'better' thats purely personal.
RichTT said:
There are many high end Android based devices that have equal or superior build quality at a cheaper price point. You say 'nice' which is basically your appreciation of the design philosophy of the device alongside the material quality. They're success comes from a combination of selling the aspiration of owning a sleek white device. The tech is not new, the hardware isn't ground breaking, they seem to run about 2 years behind on the most up to date features that Android phones have.
I moved away from Apple after the 3G. I hated being stuck in a single framework. In fact I still have countless hours of music and tv essentially stuck due to DRM on the iTunes system that I have paid for and no longer have access to.
Isn't Itunes DRM free nowI moved away from Apple after the 3G. I hated being stuck in a single framework. In fact I still have countless hours of music and tv essentially stuck due to DRM on the iTunes system that I have paid for and no longer have access to.
RemyMartin said:
Apple for me have many parallels to VW.
They are offering a product that in reality is like all others only they dress it up in some false pretence.
With VW its legendary build quality and class status, with Apple its sleek and a hip and cool. Peel back the bullst and you have cars, no better than a Ford and a phone no better than any android device.
What they really have in common is amazing marketing. Fair play to them but dony delude yourself either product is 'better' thats purely personal.
No the tech may not be different but you cannot deny the build quality and design is vastly superior to most other tech devices on the market. take the iMac Ive not seen a more elegant, well design all in one home/professional computer they are simply an amazing piece of product design and that matters to some, Apple don't just make phones.They are offering a product that in reality is like all others only they dress it up in some false pretence.
With VW its legendary build quality and class status, with Apple its sleek and a hip and cool. Peel back the bulls
t and you have cars, no better than a Ford and a phone no better than any android device. What they really have in common is amazing marketing. Fair play to them but dony delude yourself either product is 'better' thats purely personal.
RemyMartin said:
Apple for me have many parallels to VW.
They are offering a product that in reality is like all others only they dress it up in some false pretence.
With VW its legendary build quality and class status, with Apple its sleek and a hip and cool. Peel back the bullst and you have cars, no better than a Ford and a phone no better than any android device.
What they really have in common is amazing marketing. Fair play to them but dony delude yourself either product is 'better' thats purely personal.
No the tech may not be different but you cannot deny the build quality and design is vastly superior to most other tech devices on the market. take the iMac Ive not seen a more elegant, well design all in one home/professional computer they are simply an amazing piece of product design and that matters to some, Apple don't just make phones.They are offering a product that in reality is like all others only they dress it up in some false pretence.
With VW its legendary build quality and class status, with Apple its sleek and a hip and cool. Peel back the bulls
t and you have cars, no better than a Ford and a phone no better than any android device. What they really have in common is amazing marketing. Fair play to them but dony delude yourself either product is 'better' thats purely personal.
chrispmartha said:
RemyMartin said:
Apple for me have many parallels to VW.
They are offering a product that in reality is like all others only they dress it up in some false pretence.
With VW its legendary build quality and class status, with Apple its sleek and a hip and cool. Peel back the bullst and you have cars, no better than a Ford and a phone no better than any android device.
What they really have in common is amazing marketing. Fair play to them but dony delude yourself either product is 'better' thats purely personal.
No the tech may not be different but you cannot deny the build quality and design is vastly superior to most other tech devices on the market. take the iMac Ive not seen a more elegant, well design all in one home/professional computer they are simply an amazing piece of product design and that matters to some, Apple don't just make phones.They are offering a product that in reality is like all others only they dress it up in some false pretence.
With VW its legendary build quality and class status, with Apple its sleek and a hip and cool. Peel back the bulls
t and you have cars, no better than a Ford and a phone no better than any android device. What they really have in common is amazing marketing. Fair play to them but dony delude yourself either product is 'better' thats purely personal.
Plenty of high end Android or windows phones. Plenty of high end PCs.
Conpare like with like. Not a £2500 iMac vs a £400 PC.
You like Apple. Thats fair enough but vastly superior is such a laughably fanboy comment, its hard to take the post seriously.
RichTT said:
DrDoofenshmirtz said:
My comparison was more about the device. No Android device is as 'nice' as an Apple device.
Clearly...it MUST matter. How else do you explain their massive success?
There are many high end Android based devices that have equal or superior build quality at a cheaper price point. You say 'nice' which is basically your appreciation of the design philosophy of the device alongside the material quality. They're success comes from a combination of selling the aspiration of owning a sleek white device. The tech is not new, the hardware isn't ground breaking, they seem to run about 2 years behind on the most up to date features that Android phones have. Clearly...it MUST matter. How else do you explain their massive success?
Edited by DrDoofenshmirtz on Thursday 29th January 07:21
I moved away from Apple after the 3G. I hated being stuck in a single framework. In fact I still have countless hours of music and tv essentially stuck due to DRM on the iTunes system that I have paid for and no longer have access to.
The point is, why do people lust after Jaguar E-types (For example. Other nice cars are available). Let's be honest, they are old and rubbish and a Hyundai i30 is a much better car functionality wise. But the Jag is a lovely object and makes you feel good. just like an apple device is a lovely object (which people like it or not, really want).
Technically speaking. Android suffers because it works on so many different devices, and with that comes issues with compatibility. While it might work fantastically well on one device, it might run like a dog on another. And then you get the likes of Samsung bundling it with their crap. All this combined means that it's difficult for the average Joe to decide which Android device is best. And when they've signed up to a 24 month contract, they might find they don't like it, and tell all their mates.
With Apple, it's all propitiatory. You know exactly what you're getting and it does (most of the time) 'just work'.
(I have an Android phone and tab. Not that it matters)
chrispmartha said:
RemyMartin said:
Apple for me have many parallels to VW.
They are offering a product that in reality is like all others only they dress it up in some false pretence.
With VW its legendary build quality and class status, with Apple its sleek and a hip and cool. Peel back the bullst and you have cars, no better than a Ford and a phone no better than any android device.
What they really have in common is amazing marketing. Fair play to them but dony delude yourself either product is 'better' thats purely personal.
No the tech may not be different but you cannot deny the build quality and design is vastly superior to most other tech devices on the market. take the iMac Ive not seen a more elegant, well design all in one home/professional computer they are simply an amazing piece of product design and that matters to some, Apple don't just make phones.They are offering a product that in reality is like all others only they dress it up in some false pretence.
With VW its legendary build quality and class status, with Apple its sleek and a hip and cool. Peel back the bulls
t and you have cars, no better than a Ford and a phone no better than any android device. What they really have in common is amazing marketing. Fair play to them but dony delude yourself either product is 'better' thats purely personal.
Plenty of high end Android or windows phones. Plenty of high end PCs.
Conpare like with like. Not a £2500 iMac vs a £400 PC.
You like Apple. Thats fair enough but vastly superior is such a laughably fanboy comment, its hard to take the post seriously.
I just don't get it. I thought the 6 would be the start of the downfall - releasing a £700+ bit of kit that bends in your pocket is just inexcusable yet it's resulted in this - yet there is so much bullst about build quality being spouted?! Nearly every one that has an iPhone has a ridiculous brick of a case for the case! Wtf?! My Lumia 920 has never had a case, been dropped 50+ times and as it's the end of my contract I drunkenly let my mates kick the phone home from the pub, it has no extra case or protection. Result, the polycarb case dented corners, that's it.
I don't see the point of the iPad too. What can it do? Why would you buy one when you could spend a bit more and buy a Surface instead and have a tablet that runs everything.
It's even fully documented that they break no end of worker's rights http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23486638. Horrible immoral sts that somehow have conned people into thinking they're getting value for their extortionate fees when Android and Windows Phone wipes the floor with it.
t about build quality being spouted?! Nearly every one that has an iPhone has a ridiculous brick of a case for the case! Wtf?! My Lumia 920 has never had a case, been dropped 50+ times and as it's the end of my contract I drunkenly let my mates kick the phone home from the pub, it has no extra case or protection. Result, the polycarb case dented corners, that's it.I don't see the point of the iPad too. What can it do? Why would you buy one when you could spend a bit more and buy a Surface instead and have a tablet that runs everything.
It's even fully documented that they break no end of worker's rights http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23486638. Horrible immoral s
ts that somehow have conned people into thinking they're getting value for their extortionate fees when Android and Windows Phone wipes the floor with it.Edited by Boydie88 on Thursday 29th January 09:37
RemyMartin said:
I can deny it. Other computers are available.
Plenty of high end Android or windows phones. Plenty of high end PCs.
Conpare like with like. Not a £2500 iMac vs a £400 PC.
You like Apple. Thats fair enough but vastly superior is such a laughably fanboy comment, its hard to take the post seriously.
You can get an iMac for £899, I have not seen an all in one PC that is as well built or as well designed as the iMac.Plenty of high end Android or windows phones. Plenty of high end PCs.
Conpare like with like. Not a £2500 iMac vs a £400 PC.
You like Apple. Thats fair enough but vastly superior is such a laughably fanboy comment, its hard to take the post seriously.
It may not be important to you as you may see it just as a box but to deny Apple is the leader in industrial and product design just shows some kind of bias on your behalf.
Of course other computers are available (although non that run my preferred OS and all the software I own.) that is a good thing, but it doesn't automatically mean that apple products are crap.
As for the fanboy comment, seriously - how old are you?
Boydie88 said:
I don't see the point of the iPad too. What can it do? Why would you buy one when you could spend a bit more and buy a Surface instead and have a tablet that runs everything.
Surface does not know what it is. The highlight of the product that Microsoft's adverts centred around was the 'click' the kickstand makes when you pop it out.Boydie88 said:
It's even fully documented that they break no end of worker's rights http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23486638. Horrible immoral sts that somehow have conned people into thinking they're getting value for their extortionate fees when Android and Windows Phone wipes the floor with it.
Do you really believe that the employee's that Apple's subcontractors use are treated worse than any other manufacturer? Apple seems like one of the few companies that makes some effort to address working conditions.ts that somehow have conned people into thinking they're getting value for their extortionate fees when Android and Windows Phone wipes the floor with it.Let me know when Windows Phone wipes the floor with anything.
Boydie88 said:
I don't see the point of the iPad too. What can it do? Why would you buy one when you could spend a bit more and buy a Surface instead and have a tablet that runs everything.
You may not see the point but obviously others do, why does it bother you?Edited by Boydie88 on Thursday 29th January 09:37
As it happens I have an iPad and I don't use it conventionally, I use it in my recording studio where its great for using as a controller for Logic X and Ive got a great Moog synth on it.
If they have nearly 1 billion devices in circulation how can they be all bought by fanbois, that's nearly 1 in 7 on the planet.
Its pathetic that people cannot accept that some people like the products. I literally couldn't give a fk who invented what, its about who brings it all together, markets it properly and gets a decent product out there.
Its pathetic that people cannot accept that some people like the products. I literally couldn't give a f
k who invented what, its about who brings it all together, markets it properly and gets a decent product out there. Boydie88 said:
It's even fully documented that they break no end of worker's rights http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23486638. Horrible immoral sts that somehow have conned people into thinking they're getting value for their extortionate fees when Android and Windows Phone wipes the floor with it.
They subcontract device manufacture to China. Most of the electronics you own are made there. Have you checked out everybody else's employment practices, or is it just Pegatron's practices are news because Apple?ts that somehow have conned people into thinking they're getting value for their extortionate fees when Android and Windows Phone wipes the floor with it.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff