Apple announces MASSIVE profits

[RumbleOfThunder]

Boydie88 said:

chrispmartha said:

Do they 'all' work with an include account? (thats a serious question)

Not with an iCloud - they have their own accounts and their own accounts work across other devices and platforms unlike Apple who tie you to ste like iTunes. I guess that's where they've won. They set the bar in smartphones, others have surpassed their tech but Apple make it st for you to make your own choice.

And as for price per month, the 6 looks to be £15 a month more on a 2 year contract to the latest Lumia on the data package. £360 more for less build quality, a weaker camera and no office.

Edited by Boydie88 on Thursday 29th January 10:39

You don't really know what you're talking about do you?

"Weaker" camera. Genuine question but what are you basing this on? I hope it's more than a megapixel count because that's not really how it works. Any difference either way will be minuscule and people generally don't give 2 sts about the ultimate fidelity of their phone pics.

Build. Your Lumia is made from cheap moulded plastic. A plain blob that manages to be rounded yet has bizarre sharp corners. It's not a nice phone to handle and looks st. I'd fking hope it's takes a few knocks!

Office. IPhones have office.

Edited by RumbleOfThunder on Thursday 29th January 13:14

[Burwood]

all the haters can head here https://www.facebook.com/AppleIsst

[RichTT]

chrispmartha said:

Isn't Itunes DRM free now

Yes it is. Apple were nice enough to offer me the ability to buy all my old content again at a reduced price of several hundred pounds to get DRM free. How nice of them.

[Yazar]

chrispmartha said:

Yazar said:

For the greater good of their shareholders they should be utilising it.

Post Jobs there is a big question over there ability to continue to innovate internally. So their missing out/not bothering with so many strategic acquisitions despite all that cash is very questionable, they should have been snapping up companies to strengthen their proposition.

For example Waze was a company snapped up by Google as it was clearly better designed than Google maps navigation, huge missed opportunity by Apple.

I know they clearly don't know what they are doing ;-)

There maybe a question post Steve Jobs but they are so tight lipped about anything they develop I'm not sure if that question can ever be answered.

As for Maps, thats one area where they right royally balled up and google are streets ahead of them - pun intended.

The job of a company is to use funds to create value for their shareholders. Their job is not to build up a stockpile for the sake of it.

Apple has a cash pile of $178 Billion, and they have pledged to return $130 billion to shareholders by end of 2015 after its own investors demanded it, pointing out that it isn't a bank...

And as regards to knowing what they are doing, do you know why sales were so high? The larger iPhone 6 screen sizes were hugely popular.

Im sure you were there nodding along witb Apple when they stubbornly refused to release a larger screen phone for many years insisting no need...

[Burwood]

Yazar said:

chrispmartha said:

Yazar said:

For the greater good of their shareholders they should be utilising it.

Post Jobs there is a big question over there ability to continue to innovate internally. So their missing out/not bothering with so many strategic acquisitions despite all that cash is very questionable, they should have been snapping up companies to strengthen their proposition.

For example Waze was a company snapped up by Google as it was clearly better designed than Google maps navigation, huge missed opportunity by Apple.

I know they clearly don't know what they are doing ;-)

There maybe a question post Steve Jobs but they are so tight lipped about anything they develop I'm not sure if that question can ever be answered.

As for Maps, thats one area where they right royally balled up and google are streets ahead of them - pun intended.

The job of a company is to use funds to create value for their shareholders. Their job is not to build up a stockpile for the sake of it.

Apple has a cash pile of $178 Billion, and they have pledged to return $130 billion to shareholders by end of 2015 after its own investors demanded it, pointing out that it isn't a bank...

And as regards to knowing what they are doing, do you know why sales were so high? The larger iPhone 6 screen sizes were hugely popular.

Im sure you were there nodding along witb Apple when they stubbornly refused to release a larger screen phone for many years insisting no need...

hey Yaz- the figure is $140B actually and last time i checked 'the end of 2015' is almost a year away.........

secondly, who said 'apple refuse to bring out a big screen', some analyst or reporter spouting bks just like, ahem, you perhaps. If shareholders don't like the way the company is run and Icahn can do the same with his 1% -there is the door, fk off and sell the stock.

[chrispmartha]

RichTT said:

Yes it is. Apple were nice enough to offer me the ability to buy all my old content again at a reduced price of several hundred pounds to get DRM free. How nice of them.

Several hundred pounds? iTunes match is £21.99 this replaces all DRM music with iTunes plus higher quality DRM free files.

Not a bad price especially if you have low quality mp3's not bought from iTunes in your library as they get replaced with 256k AAC files.

Nasty Apple ;-)

[twinturboz]

Yazar said:

For the greater good of their shareholders they should be utilising it.

Post Jobs there is a big question over there ability to continue to innovate internally. So their missing out/not bothering with so many strategic acquisitions despite all that cash is very questionable, they should have been snapping up companies to strengthen their proposition.

For example Waze was a company snapped up by Google as it was clearly better designed than Google maps navigation, huge missed opportunity by Apple.

I think the issue of can they continue to innovate will be answered shortly with the watch. Secondly Apple seems very bullish on what they have in the pipeline.

With buying companies, Apple likes to buy things that help their product overcome barriers to entry and that have a lasting affect. Is there anything compelling out there to buy? The one company that I think they missed out on was Nest, but one they got very right was Authentec. There is little point them buying companies that need cross platform support and don't help improve the Apple ecosystem.

Apple's whole basis is giving their customers a user experience that provides an ease of use you can't get elsewhere.
Applepay, Homekit, HealthKit they all fit that role so I hope they continue to ignore the advice of just buy anything.

[nikaiyo2]

Boydie88 said:

I really don't give a fk. In this day and age, I almost have respect for companies and people that make a success out of saying say fk the system and have absolutely no grudge against "the one percent". I don't buy their stuff because it costs more and does less of what I need.

It does not cost more, the cost to own an iPhone 6 is almost identical to a Samsung or HTC of similar spec, but I know which will still be working in 3 years time...

Iphone 6 128GB £699
Samsung Galaxy S4 32 GB £599
HTC M8 64 GB £599

In 3 years time your iPhone will get you £108 at the local Cex, Samsung £27

My old iPhone 4 was 5 years old (almost) when I dropped it from a 3rd floor window. Our Samsung Company phones die without fail before the contract is up.

So lets assume the Samsung lasts 2 years and the iPhone 3, the cost of the "cheaper" Samsung is £286 per year, or the expensive iPhone £197.

I am sort of the opposite to you, the actual cost of buying a high end Android is more than the apple equivalent, and there is NOTHING an Android does that an iPhone does not do equally as well.

[Yazar]

Burwood said:

Yazar said:

chrispmartha said:

Yazar said:

For the greater good of their shareholders they should be utilising it.

Post Jobs there is a big question over there ability to continue to innovate internally. So their missing out/not bothering with so many strategic acquisitions despite all that cash is very questionable, they should have been snapping up companies to strengthen their proposition.

For example Waze was a company snapped up by Google as it was clearly better designed than Google maps navigation, huge missed opportunity by Apple.

I know they clearly don't know what they are doing ;-)

There maybe a question post Steve Jobs but they are so tight lipped about anything they develop I'm not sure if that question can ever be answered.

As for Maps, thats one area where they right royally balled up and google are streets ahead of them - pun intended.

The job of a company is to use funds to create value for their shareholders. Their job is not to build up a stockpile for the sake of it.

Apple has a cash pile of $178 Billion, and they have pledged to return $130 billion to shareholders by end of 2015 after its own investors demanded it, pointing out that it isn't a bank...

And as regards to knowing what they are doing, do you know why sales were so high? The larger iPhone 6 screen sizes were hugely popular.

Im sure you were there nodding along witb Apple when they stubbornly refused to release a larger screen phone for many years insisting no need...

hey Yaz- the figure is $140B actually and last time i checked 'the end of 2015' is almost a year away.........

secondly, who said 'apple refuse to bring out a big screen', some analyst or reporter spouting bks just like, ahem, you perhaps. If shareholders don't like the way the company is run and Icahn can do the same with his 1% -there is the door, fk off and sell the stock.

It's now 178, type $178 and apple into Google news and will come up, and thanks for explain how the calender works

iPhone screen size is same as when Jobs dismissed 7" tablets. Apple take mane 'we know best' stances. And sometimes they get it massively wrong. Tim refused to bring out a larger iPhone in 2012 citing screen?battery life may not be as good. Little realising that consumer demand was crying out for it regardless.

You have to remember that a lot of what Apple has makes a success is not in house, and it takes a Jobs to make the right decision, otherwise you piss about for years on I iwatch. For example iPhone was only possible because some professor perfectrd multitouch and Jobs et Al saw the potential. Siri was also third party I think.

I would rather a technology company be like Google and snap up any new startup that may have synergy and also experiment on high profile and high risk projects like Google does with glasses and driverless cars than keep piling up the cash and eventually just give it back.

As per Tesco, it is easy for management to look good when times are good. Tim Cook has an easy ride for now so difficult to judge him.

[Yazar]

nikaiyo2 said:

It does not cost more, the cost to own an iPhone 6 is almost identical to a Samsung or HTC of similar spec, but I know which will still be working in 3 years time...

Iphone 6 128GB £699
Samsung Galaxy S4 32 GB £599
HTC M8 64 GB £599

In 3 years time your iPhone will get you £108 at the local Cex, Samsung £27

My old iPhone 4 was 5 years old (almost) when I dropped it from a 3rd floor window. Our Samsung Company phones die without fail before the contract is up.

So lets assume the Samsung lasts 2 years and the iPhone 3, the cost of the "cheaper" Samsung is £286 per year, or the expensive iPhone £197.

I am sort of the opposite to you, the actual cost of buying a high end Android is more than the apple equivalent, and there is NOTHING an Android does that an iPhone does not do equally as well.

Not a good example.

Most don't buy phones cash, they buy contracts. Does apple contracts come out the same still (I know they used to be more, dunno about now).

And Samsung prices will fluctuates a lot more than apple as they compete with the other androids too, so price drops after launch and the against any new launches by rivals and number of retailers mean more likely to be below rrp in first place.

Edited by Yazar on Thursday 29th January 17:20

[Esseesse]

Yazar said:

iPhone screen size is same as when Jobs dismissed 7" tablets. Apple take mane 'we know best' stances. And sometimes they get it massively wrong.

Didn't Jobs dismiss current 7" tablets?

Yazar said:

Tim refused to bring out a larger iPhone in 2012 citing screen?battery life may not be as good. Little realising that consumer demand was crying out for it regardless.

Maybe a larger iPhone was not ready? If there's one thing Apple will not do and that is release a product before it's ready (ok, apart from maps).

[jmorgan]

Be interesting when the watch comes out.

[SPS]

mattmurdock said:

Big difference between profits and market share though. They are clearly not a monopoly, as during Q3 2014 they only had 11.7% of the global market share for smartphones (in comparison Samsung had over twice as much, 23.7%).

The reason they are making so much money is the profit they make per unit is nearly 40%. So they are happily selling to their niche of people who are willing to pay more for an Apple phone than they are for an equivalent Samsung phone.

Great margins may have a little to do with the near "slave labour" format that was exposed re the Chinese work force and the high rate of attempted suicides on TV a few weeks ago!!!!

[Burwood]

Yazar said:

Burwood said:

Yazar said:

chrispmartha said:

Yazar said:

For the greater good of their shareholders they should be utilising it.

Post Jobs there is a big question over there ability to continue to innovate internally. So their missing out/not bothering with so many strategic acquisitions despite all that cash is very questionable, they should have been snapping up companies to strengthen their proposition.

For example Waze was a company snapped up by Google as it was clearly better designed than Google maps navigation, huge missed opportunity by Apple.

I know they clearly don't know what they are doing ;-)

There maybe a question post Steve Jobs but they are so tight lipped about anything they develop I'm not sure if that question can ever be answered.

As for Maps, thats one area where they right royally balled up and google are streets ahead of them - pun intended.

The job of a company is to use funds to create value for their shareholders. Their job is not to build up a stockpile for the sake of it.

Apple has a cash pile of $178 Billion, and they have pledged to return $130 billion to shareholders by end of 2015 after its own investors demanded it, pointing out that it isn't a bank...

And as regards to knowing what they are doing, do you know why sales were so high? The larger iPhone 6 screen sizes were hugely popular.

Im sure you were there nodding along witb Apple when they stubbornly refused to release a larger screen phone for many years insisting no need...

hey Yaz- the figure is $140B actually and last time i checked 'the end of 2015' is almost a year away.........

secondly, who said 'apple refuse to bring out a big screen', some analyst or reporter spouting bks just like, ahem, you perhaps. If shareholders don't like the way the company is run and Icahn can do the same with his 1% -there is the door, fk off and sell the stock.

It's now 178, type $178 and apple into Google news and will come up, and thanks for explain how the calender works

iPhone screen size is same as when Jobs dismissed 7" tablets. Apple take mane 'we know best' stances. And sometimes they get it massively wrong. Tim refused to bring out a larger iPhone in 2012 citing screen?battery life may not be as good. Little realising that consumer demand was crying out for it regardless.

You have to remember that a lot of what Apple has makes a success is not in house, and it takes a Jobs to make the right decision, otherwise you piss about for years on I iwatch. For example iPhone was only possible because some professor perfectrd multitouch and Jobs et Al saw the potential. Siri was also third party I think.

I would rather a technology company be like Google and snap up any new startup that may have synergy and also experiment on high profile and high risk projects like Google does with glasses and driverless cars than keep piling up the cash and eventually just give it back.

As per Tesco, it is easy for management to look good when times are good. Tim Cook has an easy ride for now so difficult to judge him.

Your missing the 35 odd in debt

Tim Cook has an easy ride does he? Running the biggest, most profitable company in the world after it's founder genius died. You are talking drivel

[Burwood]

Esseesse said:

Yazar said:

iPhone screen size is same as when Jobs dismissed 7" tablets. Apple take mane 'we know best' stances. And sometimes they get it massively wrong.

Didn't Jobs dismiss current 7" tablets?

Yazar said:

Tim refused to bring out a larger iPhone in 2012 citing screen?battery life may not be as good. Little realising that consumer demand was crying out for it regardless.

Maybe a larger iPhone was not ready? If there's one thing Apple will not do and that is release a product before it's ready (ok, apart from maps).

Indeed- they may have been caught napping with the large screen. So! The company isn't perfect and can't please everyone. The bottom line is they have created a 700B company from almost insolvency in 15 years. And it is still cheap with a fwd PE of 12.

[RichTT]

chrispmartha said:

Several hundred pounds? iTunes match is £21.99 this replaces all DRM music with iTunes plus higher quality DRM free files.

Not a bad price especially if you have low quality mp3's not bought from iTunes in your library as they get replaced with 256k AAC files.

Nasty Apple ;-)

This might be the case now, but when they first transitioned to non-DRM content they asked for well over £200 to buy my own content again. I severed all ties at that point.

[Yazar]

Burwood said:

Your missing the 35 odd in debt

Tim Cook has an easy ride does he? Running the biggest, most profitable company in the world after it's founder genius died. You are talking drivel

As the saying goes, it's only when the tide comes in that you see who is swimming naked. Tim maybe an amazing CEO, he may not. How can you tell right now?

[vescaegg]

Yazar said:

Burwood said:

Your missing the 35 odd in debt

Tim Cook has an easy ride does he? Running the biggest, most profitable company in the world after it's founder genius died. You are talking drivel

As the saying goes, it's only when the tide comes in that you see who is swimming naked. Tim maybe an amazing CEO, he may not. How can you tell right now?

Because he took over 4 years ago now and the company has done nothing but outperform its previous years with its share price more than doubling?

[Eric Mc]

Kind of like what the figures for Enron showed for a while.

[vescaegg]

Eric Mc said:

Kind of like what the figures for Enron showed for a while.

Ok well lets assume for the time being that Apple isnt using the Enron example as how to run their business....