Apple announces MASSIVE profits
Discussion
qube_TA said:
There is no point trying to explain as it's not true. If you're going purely on specification then there's no difference between a BMW and a Kia (although neither manufacture every component in their cars they both certainly pick which ones to use and which suppliers they come from, something Microsoft can't really do).
Yes an Apple computer will have the same type of Intel chipset, the same RAM, storage etc as a Sony or Dell machine, so in that regard they're the same thing, if that's all they are to you. All TV's are the same, the only difference is their size, all furniture is the same, why pay more for a chair, you can sit on any of them?
From a productivity POV I much prefer using OSX over Windows or Linux, there is no point explaining to someone that I prefer to use OSX and its associated software to someone who views a computer purely as a CPU/RAM/Storage device.
From a hardware POV I prefer how their computers are screwed together, they look much nicer, they're solid, don't give me any hassle and when I sell the old one to upgrade I get a decent price for it. If you see any advert for anything where the person in it has a laptop, they'll always use a Macbook, this is purely because they're nicer to look at. How many people would pay extra for a car or an item of clothing or anything simply because it's in their view nicer?
As for the phones, there's little between them, sure Androids have some features the Apple doesn't, however an iPhone will play with a Macbook much better than an Android would, or for that matter an Android with a Windows machine. I used PC's from Windows 3.11 onwards, I got frustrated with the way Windows was changing and chanced a Mac (was about 2007), I preferred them and haven't gone back (although I have to use Windows machines often at work).
Yes Apple are making a crazy amount of money, why they're sitting on it is a bit of a mystery, yes this means they could reduce their prices a bit, however as they keep selling more Macbooks then this is unlikely to happen soon, and yes in recent years some of their software offerings have been prone to more glitches than they used to be, but you can put any machine or operating system in front of me that you like I'm not going to be able to use it as well or as hassle free as I can with an Apple box.
Soz.
I had to read that twice, and I have came to same conclusion both times, that you have written nothing but a load of dribble.Yes an Apple computer will have the same type of Intel chipset, the same RAM, storage etc as a Sony or Dell machine, so in that regard they're the same thing, if that's all they are to you. All TV's are the same, the only difference is their size, all furniture is the same, why pay more for a chair, you can sit on any of them?
From a productivity POV I much prefer using OSX over Windows or Linux, there is no point explaining to someone that I prefer to use OSX and its associated software to someone who views a computer purely as a CPU/RAM/Storage device.
From a hardware POV I prefer how their computers are screwed together, they look much nicer, they're solid, don't give me any hassle and when I sell the old one to upgrade I get a decent price for it. If you see any advert for anything where the person in it has a laptop, they'll always use a Macbook, this is purely because they're nicer to look at. How many people would pay extra for a car or an item of clothing or anything simply because it's in their view nicer?
As for the phones, there's little between them, sure Androids have some features the Apple doesn't, however an iPhone will play with a Macbook much better than an Android would, or for that matter an Android with a Windows machine. I used PC's from Windows 3.11 onwards, I got frustrated with the way Windows was changing and chanced a Mac (was about 2007), I preferred them and haven't gone back (although I have to use Windows machines often at work).
Yes Apple are making a crazy amount of money, why they're sitting on it is a bit of a mystery, yes this means they could reduce their prices a bit, however as they keep selling more Macbooks then this is unlikely to happen soon, and yes in recent years some of their software offerings have been prone to more glitches than they used to be, but you can put any machine or operating system in front of me that you like I'm not going to be able to use it as well or as hassle free as I can with an Apple box.
Soz.
TheD said:
qube_TA said:
There is no point trying to explain as it's not true. If you're going purely on specification then there's no difference between a BMW and a Kia (although neither manufacture every component in their cars they both certainly pick which ones to use and which suppliers they come from, something Microsoft can't really do).
Yes an Apple computer will have the same type of Intel chipset, the same RAM, storage etc as a Sony or Dell machine, so in that regard they're the same thing, if that's all they are to you. All TV's are the same, the only difference is their size, all furniture is the same, why pay more for a chair, you can sit on any of them?
From a productivity POV I much prefer using OSX over Windows or Linux, there is no point explaining to someone that I prefer to use OSX and its associated software to someone who views a computer purely as a CPU/RAM/Storage device.
From a hardware POV I prefer how their computers are screwed together, they look much nicer, they're solid, don't give me any hassle and when I sell the old one to upgrade I get a decent price for it. If you see any advert for anything where the person in it has a laptop, they'll always use a Macbook, this is purely because they're nicer to look at. How many people would pay extra for a car or an item of clothing or anything simply because it's in their view nicer?
As for the phones, there's little between them, sure Androids have some features the Apple doesn't, however an iPhone will play with a Macbook much better than an Android would, or for that matter an Android with a Windows machine. I used PC's from Windows 3.11 onwards, I got frustrated with the way Windows was changing and chanced a Mac (was about 2007), I preferred them and haven't gone back (although I have to use Windows machines often at work).
Yes Apple are making a crazy amount of money, why they're sitting on it is a bit of a mystery, yes this means they could reduce their prices a bit, however as they keep selling more Macbooks then this is unlikely to happen soon, and yes in recent years some of their software offerings have been prone to more glitches than they used to be, but you can put any machine or operating system in front of me that you like I'm not going to be able to use it as well or as hassle free as I can with an Apple box.
Soz.
I had to read that twice, and I have came to same conclusion both times, that you have written nothing but a load of dribble.Yes an Apple computer will have the same type of Intel chipset, the same RAM, storage etc as a Sony or Dell machine, so in that regard they're the same thing, if that's all they are to you. All TV's are the same, the only difference is their size, all furniture is the same, why pay more for a chair, you can sit on any of them?
From a productivity POV I much prefer using OSX over Windows or Linux, there is no point explaining to someone that I prefer to use OSX and its associated software to someone who views a computer purely as a CPU/RAM/Storage device.
From a hardware POV I prefer how their computers are screwed together, they look much nicer, they're solid, don't give me any hassle and when I sell the old one to upgrade I get a decent price for it. If you see any advert for anything where the person in it has a laptop, they'll always use a Macbook, this is purely because they're nicer to look at. How many people would pay extra for a car or an item of clothing or anything simply because it's in their view nicer?
As for the phones, there's little between them, sure Androids have some features the Apple doesn't, however an iPhone will play with a Macbook much better than an Android would, or for that matter an Android with a Windows machine. I used PC's from Windows 3.11 onwards, I got frustrated with the way Windows was changing and chanced a Mac (was about 2007), I preferred them and haven't gone back (although I have to use Windows machines often at work).
Yes Apple are making a crazy amount of money, why they're sitting on it is a bit of a mystery, yes this means they could reduce their prices a bit, however as they keep selling more Macbooks then this is unlikely to happen soon, and yes in recent years some of their software offerings have been prone to more glitches than they used to be, but you can put any machine or operating system in front of me that you like I'm not going to be able to use it as well or as hassle free as I can with an Apple box.
Soz.
The apple watch is shipping in April, will this be a rip roaring success as well? I'm not sure about the wearable hype, so far all the other manufacturers have come up with devices that just don't or won't appeal to the masses - either they are too ugly, too big or just lack a decent USP that actually makes people want them on their wrists.
TheD said:
qube_TA said:
There is no point trying to explain as it's not true. If you're going purely on specification then there's no difference between a BMW and a Kia (although neither manufacture every component in their cars they both certainly pick which ones to use and which suppliers they come from, something Microsoft can't really do).
Yes an Apple computer will have the same type of Intel chipset, the same RAM, storage etc as a Sony or Dell machine, so in that regard they're the same thing, if that's all they are to you. All TV's are the same, the only difference is their size, all furniture is the same, why pay more for a chair, you can sit on any of them?
From a productivity POV I much prefer using OSX over Windows or Linux, there is no point explaining to someone that I prefer to use OSX and its associated software to someone who views a computer purely as a CPU/RAM/Storage device.
From a hardware POV I prefer how their computers are screwed together, they look much nicer, they're solid, don't give me any hassle and when I sell the old one to upgrade I get a decent price for it. If you see any advert for anything where the person in it has a laptop, they'll always use a Macbook, this is purely because they're nicer to look at. How many people would pay extra for a car or an item of clothing or anything simply because it's in their view nicer?
As for the phones, there's little between them, sure Androids have some features the Apple doesn't, however an iPhone will play with a Macbook much better than an Android would, or for that matter an Android with a Windows machine. I used PC's from Windows 3.11 onwards, I got frustrated with the way Windows was changing and chanced a Mac (was about 2007), I preferred them and haven't gone back (although I have to use Windows machines often at work).
Yes Apple are making a crazy amount of money, why they're sitting on it is a bit of a mystery, yes this means they could reduce their prices a bit, however as they keep selling more Macbooks then this is unlikely to happen soon, and yes in recent years some of their software offerings have been prone to more glitches than they used to be, but you can put any machine or operating system in front of me that you like I'm not going to be able to use it as well or as hassle free as I can with an Apple box.
Soz.
I had to read that twice, and I have came to same conclusion both times, that you have written nothing but a load of dribble.Yes an Apple computer will have the same type of Intel chipset, the same RAM, storage etc as a Sony or Dell machine, so in that regard they're the same thing, if that's all they are to you. All TV's are the same, the only difference is their size, all furniture is the same, why pay more for a chair, you can sit on any of them?
From a productivity POV I much prefer using OSX over Windows or Linux, there is no point explaining to someone that I prefer to use OSX and its associated software to someone who views a computer purely as a CPU/RAM/Storage device.
From a hardware POV I prefer how their computers are screwed together, they look much nicer, they're solid, don't give me any hassle and when I sell the old one to upgrade I get a decent price for it. If you see any advert for anything where the person in it has a laptop, they'll always use a Macbook, this is purely because they're nicer to look at. How many people would pay extra for a car or an item of clothing or anything simply because it's in their view nicer?
As for the phones, there's little between them, sure Androids have some features the Apple doesn't, however an iPhone will play with a Macbook much better than an Android would, or for that matter an Android with a Windows machine. I used PC's from Windows 3.11 onwards, I got frustrated with the way Windows was changing and chanced a Mac (was about 2007), I preferred them and haven't gone back (although I have to use Windows machines often at work).
Yes Apple are making a crazy amount of money, why they're sitting on it is a bit of a mystery, yes this means they could reduce their prices a bit, however as they keep selling more Macbooks then this is unlikely to happen soon, and yes in recent years some of their software offerings have been prone to more glitches than they used to be, but you can put any machine or operating system in front of me that you like I'm not going to be able to use it as well or as hassle free as I can with an Apple box.
Soz.
Eric Mc said:
At the moment, the only way shareholders are getting any sort of return on the investment they have made in Apple is for the company to BORROW money so they can buy back some of the shares from the shareholders. This keeps the profits "safe" in the tax haven company whilst the US company is amassing debt.
Watch this space to see how this all eventually pans out. You could have the US company collapse under a debt burden in its efforts to NOT pay tax.
As an Apple share holder, the returns on investment have been outstanding depending on when you bought in, but for argument sake 73% increase in the last 12 months alone. Watch this space to see how this all eventually pans out. You could have the US company collapse under a debt burden in its efforts to NOT pay tax.
Yes you can argue the capital the share holders are getting back is limited by repatriation of the overseas funds but again $130billion returned to shareholders through the end of 2015 isn't exactly a small amount.
Am I concerned about debt not in the slightest. Apple's debt is currently around $30 billion to put that into perspective net profit from the last quarter was $18billion so the only time as a shareholder I would even start to be concerned is if Apples business slows down extremely and they can no longer generate cash.
The US want 35% of that cash one of the highest corporation tax rates in the world. Lets not make this an Apple issue there is roughly $1.7 trillion held in overseas accounts by US companies. Apple pays its fair share of US taxes most likely the largest corporate tax payer in the US, any profit made in the US they pay tax, they aren't funnelling that overseas to avoid tax.
Also they haven't said they don't want to bring that cash back to the US, if they can negotiate a lower tax rate I'm sure they would bring it back and as the cash pile grows maybe they'll have a better negotiating position.
Sickening levels of profit and I am assuming huge tax avoidance to get them.
Yes they employ a lto of skilled people in the US but their gear is made in nasty sweatshops the other side of the planet in terrible conditions (yes mostly the same as their competition too).
Has to be a rebalancing of wealth and living conditions one day soon.
This is (corporate)greed in the extreme.
Yes they employ a lto of skilled people in the US but their gear is made in nasty sweatshops the other side of the planet in terrible conditions (yes mostly the same as their competition too).
Has to be a rebalancing of wealth and living conditions one day soon.
This is (corporate)greed in the extreme.
briang9 said:
Asterix said:
It's quite amazing given the size of their product portfolio.
easy really when your target market is the gullible who care more about style than substanceA company without morals or a social concience?
They have $100bn in the bank yet the people who make the shinney little baubles live in a nightmare.
'A 2014 BBC investigation found excessive hours and other problems persisted, despite Apple's promise to reform factory practice after the 2010 Foxconn suicides. The Pegatron factory was once again the subject of review, as reporters gained access to the working conditions inside through recruitment as employees. While the BBC maintained that the experiences of its reporters showed that labor violations were continuing since 2010, Apple publicly disagreed with the BBC and stated: “We are aware of no other company doing as much as Apple to ensure fair and safe working conditions".[58]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Apple_In...
They continue to dodge taxes too, in 2011 they paid just 0.05%
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Apple_In...
http://money.cnn.com/2013/05/22/news/economy/apple...
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-05-23/...
Corporates are runing USA with no care or thought to support for the country or their manufacturing employees. This is the american dream.
They have $100bn in the bank yet the people who make the shinney little baubles live in a nightmare.
'A 2014 BBC investigation found excessive hours and other problems persisted, despite Apple's promise to reform factory practice after the 2010 Foxconn suicides. The Pegatron factory was once again the subject of review, as reporters gained access to the working conditions inside through recruitment as employees. While the BBC maintained that the experiences of its reporters showed that labor violations were continuing since 2010, Apple publicly disagreed with the BBC and stated: “We are aware of no other company doing as much as Apple to ensure fair and safe working conditions".[58]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Apple_In...
They continue to dodge taxes too, in 2011 they paid just 0.05%
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Apple_In...
http://money.cnn.com/2013/05/22/news/economy/apple...
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-05-23/...
Corporates are runing USA with no care or thought to support for the country or their manufacturing employees. This is the american dream.
Just take the time to read this internal Samsung document.
It basically says - "Steal everything"
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/126253497/44_iPhone_Ga...
It basically says - "Steal everything"
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/126253497/44_iPhone_Ga...
RobDickinson said:
A company without morals or a social concience?
They have $100bn in the bank yet the people who make the shinney little baubles live in a nightmare.
The working conditions in the factories in China (which aren't even owned by Apple) are probably a million miles better than they were under communism which you appear to be advocating.They have $100bn in the bank yet the people who make the shinney little baubles live in a nightmare.
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