Ongoing bungling of child sex abuse case

[Digga]

Not too much about this on here, but I saw a short clip on one news channel about this last night and it is, frankly, disgusting and very alarming that names of the child sex abuse victims were leaked. Some have since received death threats.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jan/29/ch...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-ord...

There were also stories running last night that investigations into further cases of abuse are ongoing in Rotherham.

http://news.sky.com/story/1416946/rotherham-victim...

Keith Vaz has been rightly criticised for making these details public. (Surely he has to go now? How many disgraces can a public official hope or expect to survive?)

[55palfers]

I can't get my head round the Rotherham case / allegations and the complete lack of any action by Plod and the authorities.

A dodgy, ill-judged Tweet and they are down on you like a ton of bricks....

[carinaman]

Was it on Channel 4 News?

Vaz to go?

I am not sure that I am in his fanclub, but isn't it par for the course?

Some of these people in the public sector shouldn't be allowed out on their own. How does it compare to the MoJ 'losing' a disk covering three judge led inquiries? They must be copies and not the sole source of that data?

I'm not sure how death threats made against named victims compare to what's going on in Nottingham with Operation Daybreak whistle blower Melanie Shaw?

Are the police all over her like a rash as they're 'safeguarding' her or hassling her?

How does the treatment Melanie Shaw is getting compare to the way the police went after Joanne Mjadzelics? Oddly, the 'As it happened' stream on that case was the No. 4 most read news story on the BBC News website lastnight. I guess the Mjadzelics case was mentioned in the coverage of bungled paedophile investigations you mention?

Edited by carinaman on Friday 30th January 09:55

[Digga]

55palfers said:

I can't get my head round the Rotherham case / allegations and the complete lack of any action by Plod and the authorities.

I can't, but then I'm starting to join the dots. People like Vaz might have more influence and interest in the case than we know and the police are very possibly not without blame:

http://news.sky.com/story/1417606/police-officers-...

[wc98]

Digga said:

can't, but then I'm starting to join the dots. People like Vaz might have more influence and interest in the case than we know and the police are very possibly not without blame:

http://news.sky.com/story/1417606/police-officers-...

agreed ,there is no bungling going on, only deliberate stalling and can kicking .

[rover 623gsi]

Ketih Vaz should not have been allowed near this investigation.

The whole thing is a very sad state of affairs.

[carinaman]

Rather than going after Vaz personally, turn it around and tell them to open up the records on childrens homes that are secret until 205X on the grounds of 'national security'?

'Mr Vaz as you've released those names of victims of childhood sexual abuse, perhaps you'd now be so kind to take those records about sexual abuse in childrens care homes and open them up to the public'?

[Foliage]

This is all bullst isn't it, there is more to this than meets the eye, I was reading recently that this is still going on (the child abuse) by the same gangs in the same places, that 1500 cases had been reported and pretty much ignored and that a support group for the victims had been shut down in 2011 iirc for rocking the boat.

In any case were the police are possibly involved in a cover up, or some other such confusion exists a unit of service police should be formed and should be brought in to investigate (if they can be guaranteed to be independent)

[Digga]

Foliage said:

This is all bullst isn't it, there is more to this than meets the eye...

Quite. At present, it's very difficult to know what is and what is not 'connected', but it does seem clear that, as with the Chilcot enquiry;
a.) those in authority are very possibly abusing their power
b.) they are also using their influence to cover up

[AKA PABS]

It's the controlling people that are doing the abusing, that's why it's been propagated for so long.
Quite frankly sickening abuse of power that has been going on for decades that has to stop.

[joe_90]

Vaz should get charged for this, others have been before for accidentally releasing names. Data Protection and all that.. However based on the fact they are currently getting no justice for a far worse crime, I suspect nothing will happen.

Edited by joe_90 on Friday 30th January 12:25

[carinaman]

We should all Email the PCC for Leics. and ask if Vaz is going to get done under the DPA?

[Digga]

joe_90 said:

Vaz should get charged for this, others have been before for accidentally releasing names.

Personally I loather the bloke. I'll list a few reasons why, just to keep them fresh on the search engines.

Keith Vaz, a list of misdemeanours in no particular order and not exhaustive:

• His part in the threats (let's not dignify them with any pseudo religious description) against Salman Rushdie
• His implication and obstruction of the Filkin investigation
• Hinduja brothers scandal
• Suspension from the House of Commons for making false allegations against a former WPC

There can be no doubt about his character, but it's not clear (to me at least) that he's directly responsible or that he might not be being used as a convenient fall guy to hide the identity (and thereby motivations and connections) of the actual person responsible.

[carinaman]

Waterboard him?

[Jasandjules]

Is it Bungling or deliberate to prevent senior people avoiding justice? A cover up of a cover up??

[carinaman]

Where does Vaz releasing these names fit with the social media abuse hurled at the woman that Ched Evans was convicted of raping?

[Thorodin]

I don't suppose the 'accidental' release of highly confidential material which may render any future prosecutions impossible on grounds of inability to get a fair trial, and therefore not in the public interest, would have any bearing? It could of course be one of those convoluted dirty tricks that never happen.

[Timmy40]

55palfers said:

I can't get my head round the Rotherham case / allegations and the complete lack of any action by Plod and the authorities.

A dodgy, ill-judged Tweet and they are down on you like a ton of bricks....

Provinicial town, some sort of overriding connection/society between the various authorities. Perhaps a propensity for evening gatherings wearing aprons and popping to the Lodge?

[carinaman]

Timmy40 said:

55palfers said:

I can't get my head round the Rotherham case / allegations and the complete lack of any action by Plod and the authorities.

A dodgy, ill-judged Tweet and they are down on you like a ton of bricks....

Provinicial town, some sort of overriding connection/society between the various authorities. Perhaps a propensity for evening gatherings wearing aprons and popping to the Lodge?

I think we are going over old ground here. There's a lot of information about what was going on in Rotherham already in the public domain:

https://rotherhampolitics.wordpress.com/2013/11/22...

There's a lot of other information on that website.

Rotherham child sex abuse scandal: Labour Home Office to be probed over what Tony Blairs government knew and when The Independent newspaper website 31 August 2014 said:

The Independent on Sunday can reveal that a House of Commons committee is to investigate what Tony Blair's Home Office knew about the Rotherham scandal as far back as 2001 after more evidence emerged about his government's efforts to pacify Muslim communities.

from: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/roth...

I don't think it's apron wearing frequenters of lodges, though I wouldn't rule out any involvement of such people.


This week was a good one for Vaz to sabotage it, what with Winston's funeral 50th, Leon Brittan, lost in the post MoJ disks and Russian bombers in the Channel and there being an election in 3 months time?

Sabotage it now so it wont explode nearer ballot day?

The BBC only reported the MoJ disks lost in the post yesterday after chancing upon an announcement on the MoJ website? But other news outlets were reporting it four days ago? Maybe.

Edited by carinaman on Friday 30th January 15:03

[Digga]

carinaman said:

The BBC only reported the MoJ disks lost in the post yesterday after chancing upon an announcement on the MoJ website? But other news outlets were reporting it four days ago? Maybe.

IIRC, it was Sky News where I heard of the story last night and, from what I saw of it last night, the BBC news channel had nothing about the matter. I really have suspicions about all this.