"Charlie" All for nothing?

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supersingle

3,205 posts

218 months

Sunday 1st February 2015
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It's worth noting that Robert Spencer along with Pamela Geller were banned from entering the UK on the grounds that their presence wouldn't be conducive to the public good or some such weasel words from the home office.

Apparently telling the truth about islam was made illegal some time ago in the UK. Didn't you get the memo?

pork911

7,087 posts

182 months

Monday 2nd February 2015
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Pesty said:
pork911 said:
All it meant was 'I like the idea of aiming for free speech (but I may or may not understand that slippery concept and that nowhere is there an absolute right to it wink) and I dislike terrorists acts (or rather smaller ones closer to home affecting people more like me)'.
Sorry I do not understand any of that but that should have been your first post.

Slippery concept?

That last bit is incredible

You dislike smaller terrorist acts closer to home affecting people like you
so you don't mind them further away? Or if the people are not like you that are affected? What do you mean by people like you!


"Dislike"




Edited by Pesty on Sunday 1st February 11:10
Whoosh.

'it' is 'je suis charlie' not what I meant by saying it was bks.


Freedom of speech is a very slippery concept. But apparently not for all the Charlies lauding 'our way of life' with such freedom in a way that clearly demonstrated they don't know the laws of their own country which restrict it.

4v6

1,098 posts

125 months

Monday 2nd February 2015
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Countdown said:
There was the slight issue of a 6 year war in which 6 million jews were killed but apart from that, you're right. Nothing to worry about.
Predictable, but I'll see your 6 year war and raise you the Cultural revolution, Stalins Communists and Phol Pots Khymer Rouge.
Lefties arent exactly lacking in the extremist genocidal murder popularity stakes.

TheAllSeeingPie

865 posts

134 months

Monday 2nd February 2015
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Dunc B said:
Mermaid said:
Only way to achieve fewer problems is for the billions of peaceful Muslims to stand up for the freedom so far enjoyed in the West. rolleyes
Absolutely, unfortunately I feel they are just going to sleepwalk into an "Islamified" society with the rest of us, not realising the long term consequences of it all to the population as a whole
Mermaid said:
Islam 1 - Rest of the Population 0
What an absolutely ridiculous comment. ISIS are representative to Islam in the same way the KKK are representivie to Christianity. I don't see the Archbishop of Canterbury or The Pope being forced to apologise for Richard Reid or Anders Brevik or any of the countless other atrocities comitted by Christians? So why would normal people, who happen to worship Islam, have to apologise for the utter nutcases?

Smiler.

11,752 posts

229 months

Monday 2nd February 2015
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4v6 said:
Countdown said:
There was the slight issue of a 6 year war in which 6 million jews were killed but apart from that, you're right. Nothing to worry about.
Predictable, but I'll see your 6 year war and raise you the Cultural revolution, Stalins Communists and Phol Pots Khymer Rouge.
Lefties arent exactly lacking in the extremist genocidal murder popularity stakes.
Indeed. Has anyone else made the somewhat ironic conclusion that Auschwitz was liberated by the Red Army, who rightly bought the atrocities to the attention of the world whilst hiding their own "holocaust" & vast network of Gulags.

Some say that Hitler & Stalin are interchangeable in the "pure evil" stakes. The legacy of Stalin might suggest otherwise.

Countdown

39,690 posts

195 months

Monday 2nd February 2015
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4v6 said:
Countdown said:
There was the slight issue of a 6 year war in which 6 million jews were killed but apart from that, you're right. Nothing to worry about.
Predictable, but I'll see your 6 year war and raise you the Cultural revolution, Stalins Communists and Phol Pots Khymer Rouge.
Lefties arent exactly lacking in the extremist genocidal murder popularity stakes.
And just as predictable. My comment was in response to you suggesting that it's only one set of nutters we need to worry about. It isn't.

Mermaid

21,492 posts

170 months

Monday 2nd February 2015
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Countdown said:
And just as predictable. My comment was in response to you suggesting that it's only one set of nutters we need to worry about. It isn't.
So who are the current nutters i.e clear and present danger?

Smiler.

11,752 posts

229 months

Sunday 8th February 2015
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Protest in London earlier today warning everyone to be careful when mentioning the prophet Muhammad (peas be upon him), or else.



Link

Well fortunately, it is still a right for the Muslim Action Forum to protest.

Does it help anything in anyway though?

RedTrident

8,290 posts

234 months

Sunday 8th February 2015
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The government really needs to take a stance and make the position clear. If its OK for people as expression of free speech to potentially insult followers of a certain religious group then it should step up and say it is.

I don't really care what the French decide to do or not do. I'd like some clarity here and our leaders should make clear where we stand as a country.




WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

238 months

Monday 9th February 2015
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There are a great many countries that would be more suitable for the protesters if the UK doesn't fit with their beliefs.

hairyben

8,516 posts

182 months

Monday 9th February 2015
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The noisiest were all those sheep who fancy themselves as liberal but don't really understand what that is or care to and are in fact just weak and permissive bought their copies of the comic but didn't understand it so found a different bandwagon.

4v6

1,098 posts

125 months

Monday 9th February 2015
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WinstonWolf said:
There are a great many countries that would be more suitable for the protesters if the UK doesn't fit with their beliefs.
I agree, however they dont, it appears they want this country and all its benefits to do with as they wish, without us "kuffars" spoiling their islamic atmos.
We westerners are unfortunately a surface nusiance to them, to be removed and bred out of if not simply murdered out of existence unless we capitulate.


supersingle

3,205 posts

218 months

Monday 9th February 2015
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RedTrident said:
The government really needs to take a stance and make the position clear. If its OK for people as expression of free speech to potentially insult followers of a certain religious group then it should step up and say it is.

I don't really care what the French decide to do or not do. I'd like some clarity here and our leaders should make clear where we stand as a country.
It's not for our 'leaders' to give us liberty. The government don't give us rights, we have them as a birthright. That means having the right to blaspheme whatever god we choose, no matter how unreasonable and violent its followers.

RedTrident

8,290 posts

234 months

Monday 9th February 2015
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I don't think rights are birthrights. Very telling that in the UK the cartoons are not being printed in the mainstream press. Is there an actual law here?

Which makes me think, what are these guys actually protesting about? Which I suppose is also their right to do.

I find all of this rather strange really, I'm a Muslim, I find the cartoons offensive but I'd just not buy the magazine and get on with my life....pretty much what the vast majority of UK Muslims do I suppose.

pork911

7,087 posts

182 months

Tuesday 10th February 2015
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4v6 said:
I agree, however they dont, it appears they want this country and all its benefits to do with as they wish, without us "kuffars" spoiling their islamic atmos.
We westerners are unfortunately a surface nusiance to them, to be removed and bred out of if not simply murdered out of existence unless we capitulate.
i have a lot of painting to do could i borrow your brush please

Dunc B

Original Poster:

196 posts

272 months

Tuesday 10th February 2015
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Who had ever even heard of Charlie Hebdo before those cowardly murderers shot the staff? "There's no such thing as bad publicity" as the saying goes, so well done to the killers for promoting the idea of free speech and how they don't want anyone in the West to have it!
And of course, as our good friend Choudary is happy to point out, because UK is such a free and open country, that is why given a little time,it will be easy to take over.
I'll be long dead by that time, but I don't relish the prospect for the country.
The Pope is barely any better either, with his inciting violence for any disrespect of religion. I would have liked to see the Pope interviewed by the late, great Dave Allen and seen how the audience reacted when it all kicked off!
My money would be on the audience kicking seven shades of holiness out of the Popesmile

Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

169 months

Tuesday 10th February 2015
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So at least some UK police have been demanding the names from retailers of Charlie Hebdo subscribers. PC idiots.