should us smokers really be taxed so much

should us smokers really be taxed so much

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Sir Humphrey

387 posts

123 months

Thursday 12th February 2015
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Cotty said:
Not as easy as that. After one of the F1 races at Silverstone I was sitting in one of the huge marquee watching a tennis match on the big screens. I thought it would be ok to smoke as most of the sides were open and therefore good airflow/dissipation of smoke. The wind changed and someone 20 foot away asked if I would not smoke as it was drifting over to them. I didn't expect them to move so I finished the cig outside, checking the wind was not blowing the smoke back inside the marquee.

They didn't complain when a friend brought in a big pot of risotto and the smell drifted over to them. hehe
That was courteous of you but if they don't want to smell cigarettes then they should be the ones who move IMO.

cardigankid

8,849 posts

212 months

Sunday 22nd February 2015
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Their risotto is not going to give you a sore throat. A very large number of people do not like cigarette smoke, which is also proven to be harmful.

The problem here was demonstrated by the couple I described in my first post. You will recall that they were in a car, the wife lit a cigarette, gave it to her husband and then lit another for herself. There were two small children in the back seat. The reason they did that was that they don't think that there is anything wrong with cigarette smoke, and that with the passenger side window down two inches there is plenty of 'ventilation to dissipate the smoke' . That is because their need to feed their addiction is warping their judgement. Exactly the same way as yours is, though your failure to accept reality is on a much less serious level. Do you see nothing wrong with their behaviour?

Edited by cardigankid on Sunday 22 February 11:00

cardigankid

8,849 posts

212 months

Sunday 22nd February 2015
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bodhi said:
Not entirely sure how you get places would be forced to provide facilities for people to have a smoke indoors, however I see no issue with allowing people to provide those facilities if they so wish. Forcing is just a sign of intolerance imo, like forcing people to go out in the rain and cold to have a smoke, or not employing smokers.
I don't see employers queuing up to provide smoking areas. If someone wants to do it, I'm sure they can. The reason they don't is that they dont want claims from the same people when they find that they have emphysema or lung cancer.

AKA PABS

316 posts

122 months

Sunday 22nd February 2015
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In response to the OP, Yes.

Cotty

39,553 posts

284 months

Sunday 22nd February 2015
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cardigankid said:
Their risotto is not going to give you a sore throat.
Neither will cigarette smoke. Smoked them for years (not any more) me and people around me did not develop sore throats. Maybe that's an underlying issue that you might want to get checked out.
cardigankid said:
A very large number of people do not like cigarette smoke, which is also proven to be harmful.
Agreed

mygoldfishbowl

3,703 posts

143 months

Sunday 22nd February 2015
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cardigankid said:
Their risotto is not going to give you a sore throat. A very large number of people do not like cigarette smoke, which is also proven to be harmful.

The problem here was demonstrated by the couple I described in my first post. You will recall that they were in a car, the wife lit a cigarette, gave it to her husband and then lit another for herself. There were two small children in the back seat. The reason they did that was that they don't think that there is anything wrong with cigarette smoke, and that with the passenger side window down two inches there is plenty of 'ventilation to dissipate the smoke' . That is because their need to feed their addiction is warping their judgement. Exactly the same way as yours is, though your failure to accept reality is on a much less serious level. Do you see nothing wrong with their behaviour?
hehe

mygoldfishbowl

3,703 posts

143 months

Sunday 22nd February 2015
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Cotty said:
Agreed
So ban smoking all together? What political party would cut it's own throat by doing that at the moment? I don't smoke but I like a drink, what happens next when the smokers have been outlawed after the liberals like cardigankid have had their way?

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Edited by mygoldfishbowl on Sunday 22 February 19:08

Cotty

39,553 posts

284 months

Sunday 22nd February 2015
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mygoldfishbowl said:
So ban smoking all together? What political party would cut it's own throat by doing that at the moment? I don't smoke but I like a drink, what happens next when the smokers have been outlawed after the liberals like cardigankid have had their way?
WOW who said that? cardigankid said the following no one said anything about banning smoking
cardigankid said:
A very large number of people do not like cigarette smoke, which is also proven to be harmful.

Cotty

39,553 posts

284 months

Sunday 22nd February 2015
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mygoldfishbowl said:
what happens next when the smokers have been outlawed after the liberals have had their way?
Then they come after you. Seeking to take any happiness you might find in life and taking it away.

Rovinghawk

13,300 posts

158 months

Sunday 22nd February 2015
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bodhi said:
Forcing is just a sign of intolerance imo, like forcing people to go out in the rain and cold to have a smoke
I've never seen an employer force anyone to smoke, much less make them go outside to do so.

Do you have an example of that ever happening?

heebeegeetee

28,759 posts

248 months

Monday 23rd February 2015
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I think this thread is showing that the time has to come when no smoking can take place in any public area at all. It should be confined to the smokers home, and that's it, imo.

bad company

18,601 posts

266 months

Monday 23rd February 2015
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heebeegeetee said:
I think this thread is showing that the time has to come when no smoking can take place in any public area at all. It should be confined to the smokers home, and that's it, imo.
Heil HItler.

RobinOakapple

2,802 posts

112 months

Monday 23rd February 2015
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bad company said:
heebeegeetee said:
I think this thread is showing that the time has to come when no smoking can take place in any public area at all. It should be confined to the smokers home, and that's it, imo.
Heil HItler.
If I ever saw an argument winner, that was it.





Not.

spadriver

1,488 posts

171 months

Monday 23rd February 2015
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Does smoking cause as much anti social behavior as alcohol?
Just as much of a health risk if taken to extremes-as is often the case in the yUK.

Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

244 months

Monday 23rd February 2015
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spadriver said:
Does smoking cause as much anti social behavior as alcohol?
Just as much of a health risk if taken to extremes-as is often the case in the yUK.
And when nanny has eradicated smoking, drinking will be next.

bad company

18,601 posts

266 months

Monday 23rd February 2015
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RobinOakapple said:
bad company said:
heebeegeetee said:
I think this thread is showing that the time has to come when no smoking can take place in any public area at all. It should be confined to the smokers home, and that's it, imo.
Heil HItler.
If I ever saw an argument winner, that was it.

Not.
OK so lets ban the most polluting cars and while we're at it we should ban all cars capable of travelling over 70 mph as that is the national speed limit.

Then lets ban loud stereo systems, the wearing of hoodies and . . . . . . . . .

Heil Hitler

RobinOakapple

2,802 posts

112 months

Monday 23rd February 2015
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bad company said:
RobinOakapple said:
bad company said:
heebeegeetee said:
I think this thread is showing that the time has to come when no smoking can take place in any public area at all. It should be confined to the smokers home, and that's it, imo.
Heil HItler.
If I ever saw an argument winner, that was it.

Not.
OK so lets ban the most polluting cars and while we're at it we should ban all cars capable of travelling over 70 mph as that is the national speed limit.

Then lets ban loud stereo systems, the wearing of hoodies and . . . . . . . . .

Heil Hitler
If I ever saw an argument winner, that was it.

Not.

crankedup

25,764 posts

243 months

Monday 23rd February 2015
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Less people smoke apparently so the deterrent could be working. Its clear that health issues are well proven even with the secondary smoke.
Additionally I object to my clothing being ruined with the foul stench of fags, one only has to walk past a smoker for one's clothes to be contaminated.

oyster

12,599 posts

248 months

Monday 23rd February 2015
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Einion Yrth said:
spadriver said:
Does smoking cause as much anti social behavior as alcohol?
Just as much of a health risk if taken to extremes-as is often the case in the yUK.
And when nanny has eradicated smoking, drinking will be next.
Moderate drinking is much less harmful than moderate smoking, and has no passive effects on people nearby.

bad company

18,601 posts

266 months

Monday 23rd February 2015
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crankedup said:
one only has to walk past a smoker for one's clothes to be contaminated.
You can't seriously believe that. Do you?