Rotherham Council mass resignation.....
Discussion
Mark-C said:
Yep, I do indeed. I was answering an earlier post that I didn't quote as well as he one I did. The point stands .... it's councillors caring about sod all other than themselves.
Ignoring it is one way I suppose.Maybe it says something about the qualities of those individuals, the same qualities which align them to their parties.
But hey, lets not get bogged down in discussion.
Super Slo Mo said:
bristolracer said:
Do they get to keep their pension entitlements?
How long before they creep back in on a consultancy basis, or get another high paying gig with another LA
Resignation is not good enough they should be sacked.
They are the politicians aren't they? Unpaid and no pension provision? How long before they creep back in on a consultancy basis, or get another high paying gig with another LA
Resignation is not good enough they should be sacked.
I mean you would think in such a scandal maybe some of the 'professionals' who are responsible for overseeing these things might fall on their swords
bristolracer said:
My mistake i thought real council employees had resigned not the volunteer do gooder busybodies
I mean you would think in such a scandal maybe some of the 'professionals' who are responsible for overseeing these things might fall on their swords
it doesn't work like that. The politicians have the final say on everything regardless of how qualified they are to do so. I mean you would think in such a scandal maybe some of the 'professionals' who are responsible for overseeing these things might fall on their swords
In private business monopolies are worked against to prevent abuse of position that detriment consumers.
Yet, on the other hand, Local Authorities have their own monopolies and their areas of business have a fundamental impact on quality of life.
I'm not suggesting competition is an or the answer, however I do think LAs should be scrutinised far, far more than they are. Left to their own devices they are ripe for inefficiency and corruption.
Yet, on the other hand, Local Authorities have their own monopolies and their areas of business have a fundamental impact on quality of life.
I'm not suggesting competition is an or the answer, however I do think LAs should be scrutinised far, far more than they are. Left to their own devices they are ripe for inefficiency and corruption.
Just read the Mail article, which unlike most Mail articles is well-written and basically gives the facts.
Jesus f
king Christ, can't believe they are talking about my country.
"A police officer and two councillors took part in the abuse as well,"
There has got to be some criminal charges involved here, surely?
Jesus f
king Christ, can't believe they are talking about my country."A police officer and two councillors took part in the abuse as well,"
There has got to be some criminal charges involved here, surely?
Super Slo Mo said:
bristolracer said:
My mistake i thought real council employees had resigned not the volunteer do gooder busybodies
I mean you would think in such a scandal maybe some of the 'professionals' who are responsible for overseeing these things might fall on their swords
it doesn't work like that. The politicians have the final say on everything regardless of how qualified they are to do so. I mean you would think in such a scandal maybe some of the 'professionals' who are responsible for overseeing these things might fall on their swords
I am a parish councillor in my village, no political alignment and no agenda except tring to keep our village somewhere decent to live.
Our constant battle is with the district council employees whose normal answer is " sorry, computer says no"!
District councillors face the same issue, when ever they or we try to actually get something changed we are blocked by jobs worth employees. Non of us councillors get paid, we just give freely of our time but are blocked at every turn by paid council employees.
If the same happened in Rotherham then the council employees responsible for children's services should be hunted down and prosecuted not the councillors who have zero power and influence!
Derek Smith said:
longblackcoat said:
It's absolutely right that they resigned. Pity they didn't do it earlier.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-31130750
Resignation is a cop out. The modern trend seems to suggest that as long as you've resigned, that's an end to it. If they have been criminally negligent, or worse, then they should be investigated, and if there's sufficient evidence, punished.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-31130750
http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/11770476.W...
Scuffers said:
Apparently, the police are still ignoring the issues, all over the country.
Sadly, I think very few people actually give a toss about the victims, even now.These girls are at the edges of society, vulnerable, and in a lot of cases, abandoned. In any other thread on PH they'd be berated as chavscum, more than likely in the 'council' thread.
Everyone sinks their teeth in the easy targets, the Pakistani males (get yer pitchforks, they're immigrants AND Muslims!), the feckless council, the politically correct police - but the victims are seen as disposable.
Kinda like how people get all worked up about foxhunting but don't care much about the foxes.
gruffalo said:
Super Slo Mo said:
bristolracer said:
My mistake i thought real council employees had resigned not the volunteer do gooder busybodies
I mean you would think in such a scandal maybe some of the 'professionals' who are responsible for overseeing these things might fall on their swords
it doesn't work like that. The politicians have the final say on everything regardless of how qualified they are to do so. I mean you would think in such a scandal maybe some of the 'professionals' who are responsible for overseeing these things might fall on their swords
I am a parish councillor in my village, no political alignment and no agenda except tring to keep our village somewhere decent to live.
Our constant battle is with the district council employees whose normal answer is " sorry, computer says no"!
District councillors face the same issue, when ever they or we try to actually get something changed we are blocked by jobs worth employees. Non of us councillors get paid, we just give freely of our time but are blocked at every turn by paid council employees.
If the same happened in Rotherham then the council employees responsible for children's services should be hunted down and prosecuted not the councillors who have zero power and influence!
dandarez said:
Derek Smith said:
Resignation is a cop out. The modern trend seems to suggest that as long as you've resigned, that's an end to it. If they have been criminally negligent, or worse, then they should be investigated, and if there's sufficient evidence, punished.
A bit of irony in that sentence! http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/11770476.W...
There was a DC who tried to resign in a force I was in and permission was refused. He was then punished internally for discipline then prosecuted for a criminal charge whilst still in the force. The papers made great play of the fact that he was still a serving officer, being paid whilst suspended.
In this case, I think it might be worthwhile to run the risk of the ire of papers that can't be arsed to check their facts.
gruffalo said:
Super Slo Mo said:
bristolracer said:
My mistake i thought real council employees had resigned not the volunteer do gooder busybodies
I mean you would think in such a scandal maybe some of the 'professionals' who are responsible for overseeing these things might fall on their swords
it doesn't work like that. The politicians have the final say on everything regardless of how qualified they are to do so. I mean you would think in such a scandal maybe some of the 'professionals' who are responsible for overseeing these things might fall on their swords
I am a parish councillor in my village, no political alignment and no agenda except tring to keep our village somewhere decent to live.
Our constant battle is with the district council employees whose normal answer is " sorry, computer says no"!
District councillors face the same issue, when ever they or we try to actually get something changed we are blocked by jobs worth employees. Non of us councillors get paid, we just give freely of our time but are blocked at every turn by paid council employees.
If the same happened in Rotherham then the council employees responsible for children's services should be hunted down and prosecuted not the councillors who have zero power and influence!
To say the councillors have zero power and influence is way off the mark for the councils I know of. Admittedly they take 10 times longer to make decisions because of the aforementioned agendas all running into conflict with each other, but ultimately, they get to vote on these decisions, and hence, rightly I think, carry the can or get the credit depending on the outcome. They can, and frequently do, override the CEO.
Derek Smith said:
Resignation is a cop out. The modern trend seems to suggest that as long as you've resigned, that's an end to it. If they have been criminally negligent, or worse, then they should be investigated, and if there's sufficient evidence, punished.
Indeed. Scuffers said:
Apparently, the police are still ignoring the issues, all over the country.
I disagree with that. If you read Jay's report she comments on the progress over the past few years. JPJPJP said:
sadly you are right: Rotherham almost certainly isn't the only town where this has been going on
I also expect there's more to come. A completely misplaced fear of being "racist" as justification for not addressing a serious problem. sooperscoop said:
Sadly, I think very few people actually give a toss about the victims, even now.
These girls are at the edges of society, vulnerable, and in a lot of cases, abandoned. In any other thread on PH they'd be berated as chavscum, more than likely in the 'council' thread.
And exceptionally hard to 'engage with' as they're groomed to think the authorities are the enemy. These girls are at the edges of society, vulnerable, and in a lot of cases, abandoned. In any other thread on PH they'd be berated as chavscum, more than likely in the 'council' thread.
Although given some of the behaviour of the authorities demonstrated, it probably wasn't hard work to convince the girls this were the case.
V8 Fettler said:
The CPS and South Yorks plod should be all over this. Unfortunately, charges of misconduct/misfeasance/malfeasance in public office are very rarely used
The investigatory scope is well beyond a local police force. Especially one that's self-referred to the IPCC and NCA. sooperscoop said:
Sadly, I think very few people actually give a toss about the victims, even now.
These girls are at the edges of society, vulnerable, and in a lot of cases, abandoned. In any other thread on PH they'd be berated as chavscum, more than likely in the 'council' thread.
Everyone sinks their teeth in the easy targets, the Pakistani males (get yer pitchforks, they're immigrants AND Muslims!), the feckless council, the politically correct police - but the victims are seen as disposable.
Kinda like how people get all worked up about foxhunting but don't care much about the foxes.
Point of order- being Muslim and of Pakistani heritage doesn't mean you're automatically an immigrant.These girls are at the edges of society, vulnerable, and in a lot of cases, abandoned. In any other thread on PH they'd be berated as chavscum, more than likely in the 'council' thread.
Everyone sinks their teeth in the easy targets, the Pakistani males (get yer pitchforks, they're immigrants AND Muslims!), the feckless council, the politically correct police - but the victims are seen as disposable.
Kinda like how people get all worked up about foxhunting but don't care much about the foxes.
allergictocheese said:
sooperscoop said:
Sadly, I think very few people actually give a toss about the victims, even now.
These girls are at the edges of society, vulnerable, and in a lot of cases, abandoned. In any other thread on PH they'd be berated as chavscum, more than likely in the 'council' thread.
Everyone sinks their teeth in the easy targets, the Pakistani males (get yer pitchforks, they're immigrants AND Muslims!), the feckless council, the politically correct police - but the victims are seen as disposable.
Kinda like how people get all worked up about foxhunting but don't care much about the foxes.
Point of order- being Muslim and of Pakistani heritage doesn't mean you're automatically an immigrant.These girls are at the edges of society, vulnerable, and in a lot of cases, abandoned. In any other thread on PH they'd be berated as chavscum, more than likely in the 'council' thread.
Everyone sinks their teeth in the easy targets, the Pakistani males (get yer pitchforks, they're immigrants AND Muslims!), the feckless council, the politically correct police - but the victims are seen as disposable.
Kinda like how people get all worked up about foxhunting but don't care much about the foxes.
Esseesse said:
allergictocheese said:
Point of order- being Muslim and of Pakistani heritage doesn't mean you're automatically an immigrant.
Indeed. Contentious, but I think it mainly comes down to what the person identifies themselves as.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff