Rotherham Council mass resignation.....
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V8 Fettler said:
Having now listened to the "authorities" making their excuses re: Oxford, it's clear that a broad brush is needed to avoid going round in circles, so no more post dissection.
Thornton (Thames Valley Chief Constable) was interviewed on the Home Service yesterday lunchtime regarding CSE in Oxford, she referred to the "Kingfisher" unit, where police officers and social workers worked together taking any suggestion that there was CSE, winning the confidence of victims, finding out what was going on. She stated that this revealed more and more cases of CSE. That has to be the foundation to resolving the problem.
From https://www.gov.uk/government/news/pm-unveils-toug...
You're quoting things as if:Thornton (Thames Valley Chief Constable) was interviewed on the Home Service yesterday lunchtime regarding CSE in Oxford, she referred to the "Kingfisher" unit, where police officers and social workers worked together taking any suggestion that there was CSE, winning the confidence of victims, finding out what was going on. She stated that this revealed more and more cases of CSE. That has to be the foundation to resolving the problem.
From https://www.gov.uk/government/news/pm-unveils-toug...
UK Government said:
Prioritising child sexual abuse
Child sexual abuse will now be prioritised as a national threat, like serious and organised crime which means police forces now have a duty to collaborate with each other across force boundaries to safeguard children including more efficient sharing of resources, intelligence and best practice, supported by specialist regional CSE police coordinators.
So prior to yesterday, the police had no duty to collaborate across force boundaries to safeguard children. This should have been in place by default.Child sexual abuse will now be prioritised as a national threat, like serious and organised crime which means police forces now have a duty to collaborate with each other across force boundaries to safeguard children including more efficient sharing of resources, intelligence and best practice, supported by specialist regional CSE police coordinators.
1) I disagreed with them in the first place. The fact I suggested, pre-Oxford, there are likely to be more failings uncovered suggests that I realise there is much work to be done...
2) They undermine the point I've taken issue with.
You know the specific point I took issue with. It has nothing to do with what you have quoted. It was wholly contextual about being able to resource effectively from a different angle, as oppose to the obvious one.
chris watton said:
I guess the question is who told the Police to ignore the issues?
Unless the Police as a whole are of one mind and value multi-cultural cohesion above paedophilia and rape?
Which is it? No Officers spoke out about this - why?
The whole thing seems to be rotton to the very core.
No one cared about it because 'what gets measured gets managed'. When the Government are focused on burglary, violence and auto-crime with centralised targets (and a force's performance is measured on this, and they are held to account on these ares), where will the focus go? That filers down into what officers are directed to do, what they are trained upon, what operations are run and the whole organisation's mindset. Unless the Police as a whole are of one mind and value multi-cultural cohesion above paedophilia and rape?
Which is it? No Officers spoke out about this - why?
The whole thing seems to be rotton to the very core.
A good excuse? Absolutely not. But if we're wanting to understand what happened to stop it repeating we need to have wide considerations.
La Liga said:
You're quoting things as if:
1) I disagreed with them in the first place. The fact I suggested, pre-Oxford, there are likely to be more failings uncovered suggests that I realise there is much work to be done...
2) They undermine the point I've taken issue with.
You know the specific point I took issue with. It has nothing to do with what you have quoted. It was wholly contextual about being able to resource effectively from a different angle, as oppose to the obvious one.
Your view is that intelligence-led policing can resolve issues without measuring the scale of the criminality. My view is that without closing the information loop, there is a risk that unknown crime will be committed by unknown offenders on unknown victims. Kingfisher (Oxford) closes the information loop and offers a useful comparison between your view and my view1) I disagreed with them in the first place. The fact I suggested, pre-Oxford, there are likely to be more failings uncovered suggests that I realise there is much work to be done...
2) They undermine the point I've taken issue with.
You know the specific point I took issue with. It has nothing to do with what you have quoted. It was wholly contextual about being able to resource effectively from a different angle, as oppose to the obvious one.
Data = "girls who may have been exploited in the ways covered by this SCR"
Kingfisher = communicate with the victims to generate a more accurate view of the scale.
I assume that Kingfisher is continuing, it will show trends to measure the effectiveness of the actions of the authorities and it should generate information to enable the authorities to identify offenders.
No it isn't, my view is that you are wrong to say:
That without that data there is NO MEANS to plan to resource. V8 Fettler said:
But - as Jay stated - there is no data available concerning CSE where the victim is not known to any agency. Without this data there is no means to accurately identify trends (are we winning?), or to plan resource (do we have enough to continue to win?).
There are means. You can plan to resource well from a top-down approach.
V8 Fettler said:
Your view is that intelligence-led policing can resolve issues without measuring the scale of the criminality.
The means I've suggested do measure the scale of the criminality. How do you measure the scale of the criminality if a substantial proportion of criminality involves unknown criminals and unknown victims? See the Kingfisher data for an example where closing the information loop reveals a substantial number of victims that were not identified by traditional policing methods. There is a close correlation between the effectiveness of Kingfisher and reported effectiveness of Risky Business.
V8 Fettler said:
How do you measure the scale of the criminality if a substantial proportion of criminality involves unknown criminals and unknown victims?
A rather leading question. It's easy to present those: How can you not resource correctly if you've mapped out your criminal networks through established and proven methods?
La Liga said:
V8 Fettler said:
How do you measure the scale of the criminality if a substantial proportion of criminality involves unknown criminals and unknown victims?
A rather leading question. It's easy to present those: How can you not resource correctly if you've mapped out your criminal networks through established and proven methods?
Kingfisher has to be the model for Rotherham.
Hope it doesn't have the same ending as Rochford! Something like thirteen officers investigated.Only one with a case to answer-took retirement so no charges to answer! Shameful to say the least. Only good thing to come out of the investigation was the jailing of the several perverted barstards, could have sworn, judging from the mug shots they were all Pakistani.! Charming people!!
bbc said:
It's nearly a year since a damning report into sexual exploitation revealed the abuse of 1400 children in Rotherham. Panorama reporter Alison Holt returns to the town to find many young women still trying to come to terms with what happened and asking if they will ever see their abusers in court. She discovers further evidence of the authorities failing to read the warning signals and investigates whether they're doing enough now to tackle the network of abusers who traffic children around the UK.
For those who missed it it's on iplayer.http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b05zv4bw/pano...
BlackLabel said:
bbc said:
It's nearly a year since a damning report into sexual exploitation revealed the abuse of 1400 children in Rotherham. Panorama reporter Alison Holt returns to the town to find many young women still trying to come to terms with what happened and asking if they will ever see their abusers in court. She discovers further evidence of the authorities failing to read the warning signals and investigates whether they're doing enough now to tackle the network of abusers who traffic children around the UK.
For those who missed it it's on iplayer.http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b05zv4bw/pano...
I'm assuming she wasn't run over by the same car that killed the police officer?
Given the police officer was run over by a car I think it's correct that the police concentrated on Home Office targets relating to car crime to the detriment of the industrial scale organised sexual exploitation of young girls. The police officer getting run over by a car shows that the Home Office and the police had prioritised harmful crime in communities correctly.
Edited by carinaman on Tuesday 16th June 12:47
I expect Pakistani Muslims will prevail in the number of 300 suspects.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/24/rot...
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/24/rot...
Reported on Sky last night regarding the three hundred men involved "mainly Asian suspects".
There was also a very sharp increase in sex related crimes against under age girls from 2013 to 2014. When will these f
king perves realise they are no longer in thier own fking country-but hopefully they very soon will be.
There was also a very sharp increase in sex related crimes against under age girls from 2013 to 2014. When will these f
king perves realise they are no longer in thier own fking country-but hopefully they very soon will be.The whole plot jut keeps 'giving': http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3093642/Ch...
<cough>Common Purpose</cough>
<cough>Common Purpose</cough>
spadriver said:
Reported on Sky last night regarding the three hundred men involved "mainly Asian suspects".
There was also a very sharp increase in sex related crimes against under age girls from 2013 to 2014. When will these fking perves realise they are no longer in thier own fking country-but hopefully they very soon will be.
I think you may find that you're overdue for your happy clappy multiculturism refresher course.There was also a very sharp increase in sex related crimes against under age girls from 2013 to 2014. When will these f
king perves realise they are no longer in thier own fking country-but hopefully they very soon will be.rich1231 said:
It's good to see a police force that's a large Common Purpose customer, or should that be donor, ploughing the tried and tested 'Learning lessons' furrow.rich1231 said:
"The shocking document also highlighted fears of 'community tensions' if the police made the report's findings public.It stated: 'The predominant offender profile of Pakistani Muslim males... combined with the predominant victim profile of white females has the potential to cause significant community tensions"
DEMOCRACY, is it? Karachi style, more like.
Look what they have done to these innocent kids, Ma.
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