Rotherham Council mass resignation.....
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I hear thats quite a painless solution?
Joking aside, I really feel glad this has now taken off after it being reported on the news.What kind of "person" has the right to f
k up one childs life, let alone whole groups of these slime covered turds.
One can only hope that all involved get jail sentences (assuming they'll stay on to face the music) and while inside they get similarly abused.
Joking aside, I really feel glad this has now taken off after it being reported on the news.What kind of "person" has the right to f
k up one childs life, let alone whole groups of these slime covered turds.One can only hope that all involved get jail sentences (assuming they'll stay on to face the music) and while inside they get similarly abused.
V8 Fettler said:
La Liga said:
V8 Fettler said:
La Liga said:
What has that got to do with investigating public officials for public office offences?
There's no way SYP should be investigating members of the LA around CSE. It needs greater independence and a national perspective like the Casey report this thread is about.
It has everything to do with the police/CPS doing what they are paid to do. No grooming = no abuse = no cover-up. Who, currently, is patrolling Rotherham's streets preventing grooming?There's no way SYP should be investigating members of the LA around CSE. It needs greater independence and a national perspective like the Casey report this thread is about.
Honesty and competence are more important than greater independence and national perspective. But if we going to have greater independence and national perspective then let's disband the insular little empires and have a national police force. Perhaps the Rotherham scandal would not have occurred if SYP had been dismantled 20 years ago.
I'm talking about the public office offences that may have occurred within the LA over the past X years you raised. The scope of this is clearly very large, which you'll know if you have read the Casey report.
SYP are under investigation from the NCA and IPCC for their handling of Rotherham abuses cases.
Can you not see any conflict of interest of them investing their partners, the council, over the same subject matter they're being investigated over?
1) The police should continue to prevent and detect current offences and historic ones. I've covered this and it's a total straw man to keep mentioning it. I am NOT talking about "the streets of Rotherham now".
2) They should not look at the potential public office criminal offences of a public body they have a direct relationship with. On a pragmatic basis, their resources need to be channeled into preventing further abuse and detecting historic offences. That is what they are doing and have been doing / working towards for the past four years.
La Liga said:
V8 Fettler said:
La Liga said:
V8 Fettler said:
La Liga said:
What has that got to do with investigating public officials for public office offences?
There's no way SYP should be investigating members of the LA around CSE. It needs greater independence and a national perspective like the Casey report this thread is about.
It has everything to do with the police/CPS doing what they are paid to do. No grooming = no abuse = no cover-up. Who, currently, is patrolling Rotherham's streets preventing grooming?There's no way SYP should be investigating members of the LA around CSE. It needs greater independence and a national perspective like the Casey report this thread is about.
Honesty and competence are more important than greater independence and national perspective. But if we going to have greater independence and national perspective then let's disband the insular little empires and have a national police force. Perhaps the Rotherham scandal would not have occurred if SYP had been dismantled 20 years ago.
I'm talking about the public office offences that may have occurred within the LA over the past X years you raised. The scope of this is clearly very large, which you'll know if you have read the Casey report.
SYP are under investigation from the NCA and IPCC for their handling of Rotherham abuses cases.
Can you not see any conflict of interest of them investing their partners, the council, over the same subject matter they're being investigated over?
1) The police should continue to prevent and detect current offences and historic ones. I've covered this and it's a total straw man to keep mentioning it. I am NOT talking about "the streets of Rotherham now".
2) They should not look at the potential public office criminal offences of a public body they have a direct relationship with. On a pragmatic basis, their resources need to be channeled into preventing further abuse and detecting historic offences. That is what they are doing and have been doing / working towards for the past four years.
Straw man? You're better than that. "Straw man" is on a par with "not appropriate" i.e. it's used when someone has no logical or reasoned response.
We're fundamentally on the same page. I agree with what you're saying about dealing with the offences as they are occurring. That's why I see why we need to mention it.
It's the part about the public office offences I took issue with. I simply don't think the local police should be investigating the local LA given they have shared failings (and current investigations into themselves) on the same subject matter.
If there are prosecutions of people in the LA, there may be police witnesses, and vice-versa. Big potential conflicts of interest.
It's the part about the public office offences I took issue with. I simply don't think the local police should be investigating the local LA given they have shared failings (and current investigations into themselves) on the same subject matter.
If there are prosecutions of people in the LA, there may be police witnesses, and vice-versa. Big potential conflicts of interest.
The council are utter sts! More interested in awards and the image of the council than the young girls being abused. The police should hang their heads in shame too. I really hope prosecutions and convictions are forthcoming.
The fundamental problem though was within the Pakistani community and particularly funneling of young girls through asian/Pakistani taxi drivers, How the hell the police and the council could let this go on when it was wild known by everyone, despicable.
From the report:
"Pakistani heritage Councillors had and have (whether acquired or taken) a
disproportionate influence in the council, particularly on issues which appeared to
affect the Pakistani heritage community such as the taxi trade.
“I think what we’re probably talking about [is] the disproportionate influence one
particular community has, how it punches above its weight and the power these
politicians have.” A Councillor
Some claimed that Jahangir Akhtar’s influence extended to the police:
“There was once a situation where a girl from a Pakistani heritage family went
missing, they [Asian Councillors] went straight to the Chief Superintendent and that
influenced our operations, they held a lot of power.” A police officer
“They were running scared of the race issue… There is no doubt that in Rotherham
this has been a problem with Pakistani men for years and years… People were
scared of being called racist.” A former police officer
On the ground, individual professionals felt under pressure. “We had specific
instances where taxis were involved [in CSE]. We tried to follow it up with taxi
licensing, but I can’t remember how far we got. We were constantly being reminded
not to be racist.” A former social worker
Another social worker recalled a strategy meeting about an exploited young person
where Pakistani heritage taxi drivers were referred to as “men of a certain ethnicity,
engaged in a particular occupation.”
“If we mentioned Asian taxi drivers we were told we were racist and the young
people were seen as prostitutes.” A former social worker
“…you couldn’t bring up race issues in meetings… or you would be branded a
racist.” A key partner
“The number one priority was to preserve and enhance the [Pakistani heritage]
community – which wasn’t an unworthy goal but it wasn’t right at the time. It was
difficult to stand up in a meeting and say that the perpetrators were from the
Pakistani Heritage community and were using the taxi system - even though
everyone knew it.” A former key partner
"They would be picked up in taxis and cars, from schools or children’s homes
or from their own family homes. Girls would go missing from home regularly and for
extended periods. They would be taken to restaurants or to other properties where
they would have sex with one or more men.
They were given drugs and alcohol which they then had to ‘pay for’ in sex. If they did
not concur, they would be subject to rape, multiple rapes, rape with physical
violence, and threatened with weapons."
"Residential unit heads met in the 90s to discuss taxis collecting
girls, school heads in early 2000s reported taxis picking girls up to provide oral sex in
the lunch break"
"girls having disclosed information in 2010,
recording how children were being sexually exploited for free taxi rides and goods
and noted three cases of attempted abduction"
Concerns were raised over:
• Taxi drivers harassing or attempting to abduct young people;
• Taxis behaving suspiciously in Clifton Park (a known hotspot for CSE);
• Taxi drivers collecting or dropping off young people from residential homes in a
drunken state or in possession of skunk marijuana;
• Young people reporting that they or their friends had performed sex acts in
taxis for cigarettes, alcohol or money – or had been asked to do so by taxi
drivers; and
• An allegation of rape and serious abuse.
Concerns raised at RA meetings in 2010 include:
• Reports that operator E cabs are using unlicensed drivers who may be
transporting underage girls around.
• Child missing over the weekend, an item of her clothing reported to be left in
Operator B’s office (February).
• Concerns raised by a local Councillor and local residents about a taxi
transporting girls around the area who then indulge in sexual activity (Aug).
• Concerns about children conducting sexual acts for vodka or food at named
shops, takeaways and pubs.
• An allegation made to police by a 13 year old against a named driver.
• A taxi driver taking two ‘looked after’ girls to Sheffield.
• Girls being taken to Clifton Park by taxi drivers again. Abduction Notices
served against driver from Operators B and C.
• A missing 14 year old found at premises on Prince of Wales Road where an
Abduction Notice had been served on the taxi driver.
You'd need to be off your head to let your daughter or any female you know take a taxi in that sthole.
ts! More interested in awards and the image of the council than the young girls being abused. The police should hang their heads in shame too. I really hope prosecutions and convictions are forthcoming. The fundamental problem though was within the Pakistani community and particularly funneling of young girls through asian/Pakistani taxi drivers, How the hell the police and the council could let this go on when it was wild known by everyone, despicable.
From the report:
"Pakistani heritage Councillors had and have (whether acquired or taken) a
disproportionate influence in the council, particularly on issues which appeared to
affect the Pakistani heritage community such as the taxi trade.
“I think what we’re probably talking about [is] the disproportionate influence one
particular community has, how it punches above its weight and the power these
politicians have.” A Councillor
Some claimed that Jahangir Akhtar’s influence extended to the police:
“There was once a situation where a girl from a Pakistani heritage family went
missing, they [Asian Councillors] went straight to the Chief Superintendent and that
influenced our operations, they held a lot of power.” A police officer
“They were running scared of the race issue… There is no doubt that in Rotherham
this has been a problem with Pakistani men for years and years… People were
scared of being called racist.” A former police officer
On the ground, individual professionals felt under pressure. “We had specific
instances where taxis were involved [in CSE]. We tried to follow it up with taxi
licensing, but I can’t remember how far we got. We were constantly being reminded
not to be racist.” A former social worker
Another social worker recalled a strategy meeting about an exploited young person
where Pakistani heritage taxi drivers were referred to as “men of a certain ethnicity,
engaged in a particular occupation.”
“If we mentioned Asian taxi drivers we were told we were racist and the young
people were seen as prostitutes.” A former social worker
“…you couldn’t bring up race issues in meetings… or you would be branded a
racist.” A key partner
“The number one priority was to preserve and enhance the [Pakistani heritage]
community – which wasn’t an unworthy goal but it wasn’t right at the time. It was
difficult to stand up in a meeting and say that the perpetrators were from the
Pakistani Heritage community and were using the taxi system - even though
everyone knew it.” A former key partner
"They would be picked up in taxis and cars, from schools or children’s homes
or from their own family homes. Girls would go missing from home regularly and for
extended periods. They would be taken to restaurants or to other properties where
they would have sex with one or more men.
They were given drugs and alcohol which they then had to ‘pay for’ in sex. If they did
not concur, they would be subject to rape, multiple rapes, rape with physical
violence, and threatened with weapons."
"Residential unit heads met in the 90s to discuss taxis collecting
girls, school heads in early 2000s reported taxis picking girls up to provide oral sex in
the lunch break"
"girls having disclosed information in 2010,
recording how children were being sexually exploited for free taxi rides and goods
and noted three cases of attempted abduction"
Concerns were raised over:
• Taxi drivers harassing or attempting to abduct young people;
• Taxis behaving suspiciously in Clifton Park (a known hotspot for CSE);
• Taxi drivers collecting or dropping off young people from residential homes in a
drunken state or in possession of skunk marijuana;
• Young people reporting that they or their friends had performed sex acts in
taxis for cigarettes, alcohol or money – or had been asked to do so by taxi
drivers; and
• An allegation of rape and serious abuse.
Concerns raised at RA meetings in 2010 include:
• Reports that operator E cabs are using unlicensed drivers who may be
transporting underage girls around.
• Child missing over the weekend, an item of her clothing reported to be left in
Operator B’s office (February).
• Concerns raised by a local Councillor and local residents about a taxi
transporting girls around the area who then indulge in sexual activity (Aug).
• Concerns about children conducting sexual acts for vodka or food at named
shops, takeaways and pubs.
• An allegation made to police by a 13 year old against a named driver.
• A taxi driver taking two ‘looked after’ girls to Sheffield.
• Girls being taken to Clifton Park by taxi drivers again. Abduction Notices
served against driver from Operators B and C.
• A missing 14 year old found at premises on Prince of Wales Road where an
Abduction Notice had been served on the taxi driver.
You'd need to be off your head to let your daughter or any female you know take a taxi in that s
thole.V8 Fettler said:
Honesty and competence are more important than greater independence and national perspective. But if we going to have greater independence and national perspective then let's disband the insular little empires and have a national police force. Perhaps the Rotherham scandal would not have occurred if SYP had been dismantled 20 years ago.
I think that a national force would give rise to many more 'little empires'. It is what has happened in the MPD. You should see their telephone directory.La Liga said:
We're fundamentally on the same page. I agree with what you're saying about dealing with the offences as they are occurring. That's why I see why we need to mention it.
It's the part about the public office offences I took issue with. I simply don't think the local police should be investigating the local LA given they have shared failings (and current investigations into themselves) on the same subject matter.
If there are prosecutions of people in the LA, there may be police witnesses, and vice-versa. Big potential conflicts of interest.
It's depressing that the relationship between a local authority and a local police force could be too incestuous to permit the latter to investigate the former.It's the part about the public office offences I took issue with. I simply don't think the local police should be investigating the local LA given they have shared failings (and current investigations into themselves) on the same subject matter.
If there are prosecutions of people in the LA, there may be police witnesses, and vice-versa. Big potential conflicts of interest.
I have a question for you: have relevant files and hard drives been seized from Rotherham Borough Council by the police?
La Liga said:
probably not that many since Cliff was within the last 4 years (see below). Should they should have ignored the allegations against Cliff, is that what you're saying? What would you have done when people approached you and made historic allegations? Ignored it? Isn't that you're being critical of in the same sentence? Do you realise the contradictions?
"There have been may improvements in the last four years by both the Council and the Police. The Police are now well resourced for CSE and well trained, though prosecutions remain low in number." - the Jay report.
I'm not sure how the police working with the BBC to televise the raid on Sir Cliff's pad compares with Rotherham Council spending £160,000 on High Court injunctions trying to get The Times to not expose what was going on. It's a bit inconsistent isn't it?"There have been may improvements in the last four years by both the Council and the Police. The Police are now well resourced for CSE and well trained, though prosecutions remain low in number." - the Jay report.
Someone on Radio 4 today mooted that there should be some mechanicism that raises alarms if a public body like a Council seeks an injunction to keep stuff secret?
Those scumbags weren't even spending their own money to hide the sexual exploitation of minors. I don't know how spending taxpayers money on High Court injunctions trying to keep sex crimes against minors secret compares to the taxpayers money spent with Common Purpose?
Common Purpose and High Court injunctions both keep stuff secret don't they?
Regarding Jay's report, I think the newer stuff from Louise Casey trumps that.
The Ferrari driving police officer and his dodgy mate that worked at a Trojan Horse school that was involved with illegal extreme pornography? Wasn't reported anywhere else other than the Birminghan local newspaper was it? But May's Spin Doctor Fiona Cunningham bickering with Michael Gove over Trojan Horse schools was national news. How does that compare with High Court injunctions and the televised raid at Cliff's place?
Casey's report mentions that the issue of unsuitable types being licenced as taxi drivers hadn't been dealt with since 2002.
Why weren't police officers that were aware of what was going on, routinely visiting the Council and telling them to sort out their taxi licencing?
Look at that MHA Tweet before Xmas about the teenage girl in a cell in Devon as a mental health bed couldn't be found for her? So why weren't police officers in SYP going to the press, going to MPs, going to councillors and saying 'Sort your taxi licencing out now'?
Thirteen years SYP had to bring pressure to bear on Rotherham Council to sort out their taxi licencing. They didn't. Why didn't they?
Edited by carinaman on Thursday 5th February 20:28
V8 Fettler said:
La Liga said:
We're fundamentally on the same page. I agree with what you're saying about dealing with the offences as they are occurring. That's why I see why we need to mention it.
It's the part about the public office offences I took issue with. I simply don't think the local police should be investigating the local LA given they have shared failings (and current investigations into themselves) on the same subject matter.
If there are prosecutions of people in the LA, there may be police witnesses, and vice-versa. Big potential conflicts of interest.
It's depressing that the relationship between a local authority and a local police force could be too incestuous to permit the latter to investigate the former.It's the part about the public office offences I took issue with. I simply don't think the local police should be investigating the local LA given they have shared failings (and current investigations into themselves) on the same subject matter.
If there are prosecutions of people in the LA, there may be police witnesses, and vice-versa. Big potential conflicts of interest.
I have a question for you: have relevant files and hard drives been seized from Rotherham Borough Council by the police?
The resourcing would also be vast. I'd rather have officers working on new cases / the historic ones that weren't dealt with correctly, rather than investigate something that doesn't really pose any active risk and can be slow-timed by another investigative body.
carinaman said:
Regarding Jay's report, I think the newer stuff from Louise Casey trumps that.
They compliment, not contradict one another. Just because Jay praises the improvements made over the past four years (and you probably don't want to hear that), doesn't mean you can disregard them because a new report is out. carinaman said:
The Ferrari driving police officer and his dodgy mate that worked at a Trojan Horse school that was involved with illegal extreme pornography? Wasn't reported anywhere else other than the Birminghan local newspaper was it?
Two seconds on Google... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-30...Do we know anything more about this Ferrari driving bent coppers brothel? It wasn't a brothel supplying underage white girls to the local Pakistani community by any chance was it? As it certainly wouldn't be the first time.
A lot still to come out of Birmingham I feel, if they have allowed multiple schools to be radicalised, one can only dread the horrors some of the young girls will have experienced by these filthy animals.
Birmingham Britain's first rotten city.
A lot still to come out of Birmingham I feel, if they have allowed multiple schools to be radicalised, one can only dread the horrors some of the young girls will have experienced by these filthy animals.
Birmingham Britain's first rotten city.
La Liga said:
carinaman said:
Regarding Jay's report, I think the newer stuff from Louise Casey trumps that.
They compliment, not contradict one another. Just because Jay praises the improvements made over the past four years (and you probably don't want to hear that), doesn't mean you can disregard them because a new report is out. Nice bracketed text
Reads just like Monkey Dust's New Truth sketch.
Kids are getting raped. That's a bit more serious than scoring Internet points.
Jay said that improvements hadn't led to many prosecutions. It's a bit 'learning lessons', 'getting there' isn't it?
Look at the Operation Sanctuary charges in Northumbria. The officer involved said they'd been carefully working with partner organisations for a year on those arrests. So how many have they had in Rotherham over the four years?
carinaman said:
The Ferrari driving police officer and his dodgy mate that worked at a Trojan Horse school that was involved with illegal extreme pornography? Wasn't reported anywhere else other than the Birminghan local newspaper was it?
Two seconds on Google... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-30...http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news...
Would it have been more widely reported if it was a Teacher at another school?
La Liga said:
No idea, I'm not familiar with the decision-making of the BBC for their articles. I am familiar with being cautious about making speculative connections.
Looking at the general search terms, it's not a well-reported offence, especially pre-conviction.
Wasn't a criticism about Rotherham that failing to tackle the problem gave ammunition to racist and right wing groups? Looking at the general search terms, it's not a well-reported offence, especially pre-conviction.
The only other places online copying that Birmingham local newspaper article on a chap with the same name as a mate of the Ferrari driving dodgy Copper could be right leaning racist websites? Or repeating stuff from a local newspaper website is insufficient for someone to be deemed 'racist'?
Regarding your comment about pre-conviction reporting:
http://www.northumbria.police.uk/news_and_events/n...
But pasting that link there connects this thread to the 'another abuse gang' thread.
We're all at sea aren't we thanks to PC.
markant said:
The council are utter sts! More interested in awards and the image of the council than the young girls being abused. The police should hang their heads in shame too. I really hope prosecutions and convictions are forthcoming.
The fundamental problem though was within the Pakistani community and particularly funneling of young girls through asian/Pakistani taxi drivers, How the hell the police and the council could let this go on when it was wild known by everyone, despicable.
From the report:
"Pakistani heritage Councillors had and have (whether acquired or taken) a
disproportionate influence in the council, particularly on issues which appeared to
affect the Pakistani heritage community such as the taxi trade.
“I think what we’re probably talking about [is] the disproportionate influence one
particular community has, how it punches above its weight and the power these
politicians have.” A Councillor
Some claimed that Jahangir Akhtar’s influence extended to the police:
“There was once a situation where a girl from a Pakistani heritage family went
missing, they [Asian Councillors] went straight to the Chief Superintendent and that
influenced our operations, they held a lot of power.” A police officer
“They were running scared of the race issue… There is no doubt that in Rotherham
this has been a problem with Pakistani men for years and years… People were
scared of being called racist.” A former police officer
On the ground, individual professionals felt under pressure. “We had specific
instances where taxis were involved [in CSE]. We tried to follow it up with taxi
licensing, but I can’t remember how far we got. We were constantly being reminded
not to be racist.” A former social worker
Another social worker recalled a strategy meeting about an exploited young person
where Pakistani heritage taxi drivers were referred to as “men of a certain ethnicity,
engaged in a particular occupation.”
“If we mentioned Asian taxi drivers we were told we were racist and the young
people were seen as prostitutes.” A former social worker
“…you couldn’t bring up race issues in meetings… or you would be branded a
racist.” A key partner
“The number one priority was to preserve and enhance the [Pakistani heritage]
community – which wasn’t an unworthy goal but it wasn’t right at the time. It was
difficult to stand up in a meeting and say that the perpetrators were from the
Pakistani Heritage community and were using the taxi system - even though
everyone knew it.” A former key partner
"They would be picked up in taxis and cars, from schools or children’s homes
or from their own family homes. Girls would go missing from home regularly and for
extended periods. They would be taken to restaurants or to other properties where
they would have sex with one or more men.
They were given drugs and alcohol which they then had to ‘pay for’ in sex. If they did
not concur, they would be subject to rape, multiple rapes, rape with physical
violence, and threatened with weapons."
"Residential unit heads met in the 90s to discuss taxis collecting
girls, school heads in early 2000s reported taxis picking girls up to provide oral sex in
the lunch break"
"girls having disclosed information in 2010,
recording how children were being sexually exploited for free taxi rides and goods
and noted three cases of attempted abduction"
Concerns were raised over:
• Taxi drivers harassing or attempting to abduct young people;
• Taxis behaving suspiciously in Clifton Park (a known hotspot for CSE);
• Taxi drivers collecting or dropping off young people from residential homes in a
drunken state or in possession of skunk marijuana;
• Young people reporting that they or their friends had performed sex acts in
taxis for cigarettes, alcohol or money – or had been asked to do so by taxi
drivers; and
• An allegation of rape and serious abuse.
Concerns raised at RA meetings in 2010 include:
• Reports that operator E cabs are using unlicensed drivers who may be
transporting underage girls around.
• Child missing over the weekend, an item of her clothing reported to be left in
Operator B’s office (February).
• Concerns raised by a local Councillor and local residents about a taxi
transporting girls around the area who then indulge in sexual activity (Aug).
• Concerns about children conducting sexual acts for vodka or food at named
shops, takeaways and pubs.
• An allegation made to police by a 13 year old against a named driver.
• A taxi driver taking two ‘looked after’ girls to Sheffield.
• Girls being taken to Clifton Park by taxi drivers again. Abduction Notices
served against driver from Operators B and C.
• A missing 14 year old found at premises on Prince of Wales Road where an
Abduction Notice had been served on the taxi driver.
You'd need to be off your head to let your daughter or any female you know take a taxi in that sthole.
this highlights a major problem with the type of people that are social workers,not all,but far too many happy clappy "ists" more interested in "isms" than carrying out their job to the best of their ability.too scared to report higher up the tree for fear of ruining career prospects.ts! More interested in awards and the image of the council than the young girls being abused. The police should hang their heads in shame too. I really hope prosecutions and convictions are forthcoming. The fundamental problem though was within the Pakistani community and particularly funneling of young girls through asian/Pakistani taxi drivers, How the hell the police and the council could let this go on when it was wild known by everyone, despicable.
From the report:
"Pakistani heritage Councillors had and have (whether acquired or taken) a
disproportionate influence in the council, particularly on issues which appeared to
affect the Pakistani heritage community such as the taxi trade.
“I think what we’re probably talking about [is] the disproportionate influence one
particular community has, how it punches above its weight and the power these
politicians have.” A Councillor
Some claimed that Jahangir Akhtar’s influence extended to the police:
“There was once a situation where a girl from a Pakistani heritage family went
missing, they [Asian Councillors] went straight to the Chief Superintendent and that
influenced our operations, they held a lot of power.” A police officer
“They were running scared of the race issue… There is no doubt that in Rotherham
this has been a problem with Pakistani men for years and years… People were
scared of being called racist.” A former police officer
On the ground, individual professionals felt under pressure. “We had specific
instances where taxis were involved [in CSE]. We tried to follow it up with taxi
licensing, but I can’t remember how far we got. We were constantly being reminded
not to be racist.” A former social worker
Another social worker recalled a strategy meeting about an exploited young person
where Pakistani heritage taxi drivers were referred to as “men of a certain ethnicity,
engaged in a particular occupation.”
“If we mentioned Asian taxi drivers we were told we were racist and the young
people were seen as prostitutes.” A former social worker
“…you couldn’t bring up race issues in meetings… or you would be branded a
racist.” A key partner
“The number one priority was to preserve and enhance the [Pakistani heritage]
community – which wasn’t an unworthy goal but it wasn’t right at the time. It was
difficult to stand up in a meeting and say that the perpetrators were from the
Pakistani Heritage community and were using the taxi system - even though
everyone knew it.” A former key partner
"They would be picked up in taxis and cars, from schools or children’s homes
or from their own family homes. Girls would go missing from home regularly and for
extended periods. They would be taken to restaurants or to other properties where
they would have sex with one or more men.
They were given drugs and alcohol which they then had to ‘pay for’ in sex. If they did
not concur, they would be subject to rape, multiple rapes, rape with physical
violence, and threatened with weapons."
"Residential unit heads met in the 90s to discuss taxis collecting
girls, school heads in early 2000s reported taxis picking girls up to provide oral sex in
the lunch break"
"girls having disclosed information in 2010,
recording how children were being sexually exploited for free taxi rides and goods
and noted three cases of attempted abduction"
Concerns were raised over:
• Taxi drivers harassing or attempting to abduct young people;
• Taxis behaving suspiciously in Clifton Park (a known hotspot for CSE);
• Taxi drivers collecting or dropping off young people from residential homes in a
drunken state or in possession of skunk marijuana;
• Young people reporting that they or their friends had performed sex acts in
taxis for cigarettes, alcohol or money – or had been asked to do so by taxi
drivers; and
• An allegation of rape and serious abuse.
Concerns raised at RA meetings in 2010 include:
• Reports that operator E cabs are using unlicensed drivers who may be
transporting underage girls around.
• Child missing over the weekend, an item of her clothing reported to be left in
Operator B’s office (February).
• Concerns raised by a local Councillor and local residents about a taxi
transporting girls around the area who then indulge in sexual activity (Aug).
• Concerns about children conducting sexual acts for vodka or food at named
shops, takeaways and pubs.
• An allegation made to police by a 13 year old against a named driver.
• A taxi driver taking two ‘looked after’ girls to Sheffield.
• Girls being taken to Clifton Park by taxi drivers again. Abduction Notices
served against driver from Operators B and C.
• A missing 14 year old found at premises on Prince of Wales Road where an
Abduction Notice had been served on the taxi driver.
You'd need to be off your head to let your daughter or any female you know take a taxi in that s
thole.i appreciate the social services need plenty sensitive souls due to the nature of their work,but every social work department should also have a heavy team for putting the boot in (literally or metaphorically,situation dependant). how anyone can sit back and do nothing because some shiny suited prick higher up the hierarchy told them to drop it i have no f
king idea.also,do none of these girls have fathers with any balls ? or are they all sitting back waiting on the compo ? horrible situation that needs sorted properly once and for all.
wc98 said:
How anyone can sit back and do nothing because some shiny suited prick higher up the hierarchy told them to drop it i have no fking idea.
also,do none of these girls have fathers with any balls ? or are they all sitting back waiting on the compo ? horrible situation that needs sorted properly once and for all.
'Broken Britain'?king idea.also,do none of these girls have fathers with any balls ? or are they all sitting back waiting on the compo ? horrible situation that needs sorted properly once and for all.
Prof. Alexis Jay gave a brief interview at 28 minutes in:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05126zt
They asked the CPS why only men involved with four girls had been charged. The CPS declined the opportunity to participate in the programme.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05126zt
They asked the CPS why only men involved with four girls had been charged. The CPS declined the opportunity to participate in the programme.
wc98 said:
this highlights a major problem with the type of people that are social workers,not all,but far too many happy clappy "ists" more interested in "isms" than carrying out their job to the best of their ability.too scared to report higher up the tree for fear of ruining career prospects.
i appreciate the social services need plenty sensitive souls due to the nature of their work,but every social work department should also have a heavy team for putting the boot in (literally or metaphorically,situation dependant). how anyone can sit back and do nothing because some shiny suited prick higher up the hierarchy told them to drop it i have no fking idea.
also,do none of these girls have fathers with any balls ? or are they all sitting back waiting on the compo ? horrible situation that needs sorted properly once and for all.
the social workers conduct in this whole sorry mess was beneath contempt. It was actually a youth support group called risky business that were mainly responsible for the few arrests that were made in rotherham due to the information they garnered, by being out on the street befriending these young girls and trying to glean information from them. They had no powers to do anything about said information though, and passed the information onto the police and social care. Social workers it appears were jealous of this small group, eventually amalgamated them/consumed and then disbanded them.i appreciate the social services need plenty sensitive souls due to the nature of their work,but every social work department should also have a heavy team for putting the boot in (literally or metaphorically,situation dependant). how anyone can sit back and do nothing because some shiny suited prick higher up the hierarchy told them to drop it i have no f
king idea.also,do none of these girls have fathers with any balls ? or are they all sitting back waiting on the compo ? horrible situation that needs sorted properly once and for all.
From the report:
Rotherham’s history of tackling CSE has been closely tied into Risky Business. This
was a small youth project established in 1997 in response to what was then called
‘child prostitution’. The approach that Risky Business took – in reaching out to
victims and in collecting evidence about perpetrators – was ground breaking
Based in youth services in the council, Risky Business provided outreach work to
girls and young women who would not naturally approach services for help. They
provided training and undertook preventative work by talking to children about the
risks and how to keep safe. The scale of their work depended on their funding but it
was always small, if not ‘shoestring’, consisting of around 4 to 5 full-time employees
at its height.
Risky Business developed a picture of CSE in Rotherham. Girls they supported gave
the staff information about where CSE took place and the people involved, including
their names or nicknames, the cars they drove, their friends, phone numbers and
involvement in drug dealing. Staff began to keep files on both the victims and the
perpetrators.
But while they could collect information and support victims, they did not have the
powers to tackle perpetrators or give the victims all the help they needed.
They needed social workers to intervene to protect the vulnerable girls. They needed
the Council to make the known ‘hotspots’ safer. They needed the police to tackle the
perpetrators.
Risky Business was critical to the success of Operation Central, a joint operation
between police and RMBC which ran between 2008 and 2010, and led to the
conviction of five men for offences including rape and other sexual offences with
children11. A ‘lessons learned’ report produced after this operation praised the role
that Risky Business had played. The report noted that there were increased
expectations on an already overstretched service and that an expanded multi agency
service should be formed around Risky Business.
In 2011, Risky Business was moved fully into Children’s Social Care with the
apparent intention of bringing social workers into the project and creating a colocated,
multi-agency ‘CSE’ team. However, instead of adding to the team, the social
workers replaced the youth workers. The philosophy and approach behind the work
no longer reflected the youth work model which had been so successful in
supporting victims and in gathering information. The CSE team became an
amalgamation of separate services, located in the same place, but not integrated.
There is no longer effective, assertive outreach provision. The database of
perpetrators was removed and given to the police
Regards the fathers and balls, I honestly can't even fathom this. Clearly the police were doing feck all and leaving these girls to the mercy of these monsters. Imagine this slime turning up your door looking to pick your daughter up after she'd told you she'd been raped by said stain the night before. This actually happened!!!
This may seem extreme to some on here, but..... Had this been my daughter or any of my friends, we'd have all had alibis when the police eventually knocked the door.
carinaman said:
'Broken Britain'?
Sad but very true!!This whole ridicilously sordid situation in English cities and towns that police are afraid/paid not to intervene because if they did,the main accusing race would be screaming Racist. Sounds about right.
There should an internal affairs group sent to sort this out.Passports should be taken to prevent a mass exodus back to Pakistan, no dout some flights have been booked already!
Imagine the frustration felt by parents in Rotherham knowing whats going on and the police be too afraid to do anything in case they were accused of being racist/lose a monthly bonus.
La Liga said:
V8 Fettler said:
La Liga said:
We're fundamentally on the same page. I agree with what you're saying about dealing with the offences as they are occurring. That's why I see why we need to mention it.
It's the part about the public office offences I took issue with. I simply don't think the local police should be investigating the local LA given they have shared failings (and current investigations into themselves) on the same subject matter.
If there are prosecutions of people in the LA, there may be police witnesses, and vice-versa. Big potential conflicts of interest.
It's depressing that the relationship between a local authority and a local police force could be too incestuous to permit the latter to investigate the former.It's the part about the public office offences I took issue with. I simply don't think the local police should be investigating the local LA given they have shared failings (and current investigations into themselves) on the same subject matter.
If there are prosecutions of people in the LA, there may be police witnesses, and vice-versa. Big potential conflicts of interest.
I have a question for you: have relevant files and hard drives been seized from Rotherham Borough Council by the police?
The resourcing would also be vast. I'd rather have officers working on new cases / the historic ones that weren't dealt with correctly, rather than investigate something that doesn't really pose any active risk and can be slow-timed by another investigative body.
Do you know if Rotherham Borough Council's relevant documents and hard drives have been seized by SYP/NCA? Those records cannot surely still be in the control of the council?
markant said:
the social workers conduct in this whole sorry mess was beneath contempt. It was actually a youth support group called risky business that were mainly responsible for the few arrests that were made in rotherham due to the information they garnered, by being out on the street befriending these young girls and trying to glean information from them. They had no powers to do anything about said information though, and passed the information onto the police and social care. Social workers it appears were jealous of this small group, eventually amalgamated them/consumed and then disbanded them.
From the report:
Rotherham’s history of tackling CSE has been closely tied into Risky Business. This
was a small youth project established in 1997 in response to what was then called
‘child prostitution’. The approach that Risky Business took – in reaching out to
victims and in collecting evidence about perpetrators – was ground breaking
Based in youth services in the council, Risky Business provided outreach work to
girls and young women who would not naturally approach services for help. They
provided training and undertook preventative work by talking to children about the
risks and how to keep safe. The scale of their work depended on their funding but it
was always small, if not ‘shoestring’, consisting of around 4 to 5 full-time employees
at its height.
Risky Business developed a picture of CSE in Rotherham. Girls they supported gave
the staff information about where CSE took place and the people involved, including
their names or nicknames, the cars they drove, their friends, phone numbers and
involvement in drug dealing. Staff began to keep files on both the victims and the
perpetrators.
But while they could collect information and support victims, they did not have the
powers to tackle perpetrators or give the victims all the help they needed.
They needed social workers to intervene to protect the vulnerable girls. They needed
the Council to make the known ‘hotspots’ safer. They needed the police to tackle the
perpetrators.
Risky Business was critical to the success of Operation Central, a joint operation
between police and RMBC which ran between 2008 and 2010, and led to the
conviction of five men for offences including rape and other sexual offences with
children11. A ‘lessons learned’ report produced after this operation praised the role
that Risky Business had played. The report noted that there were increased
expectations on an already overstretched service and that an expanded multi agency
service should be formed around Risky Business.
In 2011, Risky Business was moved fully into Children’s Social Care with the
apparent intention of bringing social workers into the project and creating a colocated,
multi-agency ‘CSE’ team. However, instead of adding to the team, the social
workers replaced the youth workers. The philosophy and approach behind the work
no longer reflected the youth work model which had been so successful in
supporting victims and in gathering information. The CSE team became an
amalgamation of separate services, located in the same place, but not integrated.
There is no longer effective, assertive outreach provision. The database of
perpetrators was removed and given to the police
Regards the fathers and balls, I honestly can't even fathom this. Clearly the police were doing feck all and leaving these girls to the mercy of these monsters. Imagine this slime turning up your door looking to pick your daughter up after she'd told you she'd been raped by said stain the night before. This actually happened!!!
This may seem extreme to some on here, but..... Had this been my daughter or any of my friends, we'd have all had alibis when the police eventually knocked the door.
thanks for the additional info,it makes the social work position untenable imo. i once had to deal with a pervert bar worker in spain. i think he may have been the owners son . the bar was a family orientated place with a kids play park in the grounds. luckily it was a spur of the moment week away in the off season on majorca up the east coast and it was not busy.From the report:
Rotherham’s history of tackling CSE has been closely tied into Risky Business. This
was a small youth project established in 1997 in response to what was then called
‘child prostitution’. The approach that Risky Business took – in reaching out to
victims and in collecting evidence about perpetrators – was ground breaking
Based in youth services in the council, Risky Business provided outreach work to
girls and young women who would not naturally approach services for help. They
provided training and undertook preventative work by talking to children about the
risks and how to keep safe. The scale of their work depended on their funding but it
was always small, if not ‘shoestring’, consisting of around 4 to 5 full-time employees
at its height.
Risky Business developed a picture of CSE in Rotherham. Girls they supported gave
the staff information about where CSE took place and the people involved, including
their names or nicknames, the cars they drove, their friends, phone numbers and
involvement in drug dealing. Staff began to keep files on both the victims and the
perpetrators.
But while they could collect information and support victims, they did not have the
powers to tackle perpetrators or give the victims all the help they needed.
They needed social workers to intervene to protect the vulnerable girls. They needed
the Council to make the known ‘hotspots’ safer. They needed the police to tackle the
perpetrators.
Risky Business was critical to the success of Operation Central, a joint operation
between police and RMBC which ran between 2008 and 2010, and led to the
conviction of five men for offences including rape and other sexual offences with
children11. A ‘lessons learned’ report produced after this operation praised the role
that Risky Business had played. The report noted that there were increased
expectations on an already overstretched service and that an expanded multi agency
service should be formed around Risky Business.
In 2011, Risky Business was moved fully into Children’s Social Care with the
apparent intention of bringing social workers into the project and creating a colocated,
multi-agency ‘CSE’ team. However, instead of adding to the team, the social
workers replaced the youth workers. The philosophy and approach behind the work
no longer reflected the youth work model which had been so successful in
supporting victims and in gathering information. The CSE team became an
amalgamation of separate services, located in the same place, but not integrated.
There is no longer effective, assertive outreach provision. The database of
perpetrators was removed and given to the police
Regards the fathers and balls, I honestly can't even fathom this. Clearly the police were doing feck all and leaving these girls to the mercy of these monsters. Imagine this slime turning up your door looking to pick your daughter up after she'd told you she'd been raped by said stain the night before. This actually happened!!!
This may seem extreme to some on here, but..... Had this been my daughter or any of my friends, we'd have all had alibis when the police eventually knocked the door.
i saw the bloke following my daughter who was 9 at the time round the bar,and as she sat down next to me i could see her cover her eyes . when i looked down this bar worker had his middle finger raised about six inches from her face ,wiggling it with a smile on his face. his smile will now look very different as i caved his face in,despite the people i was with initially grabbing me when i threw him across the floor as they had not seen what happened.
if they had not grabbed me off him once he was bleeding profusely,and the owners got him behind a locked door,i dare say i would still be in a spanish jail today.i did report the incident as i believed the bar owner knew what the bloke was all about(yes,i trashed the bar before we left as well,and told the owner if the employee was there the next day i would burn it down, he was not there the next day,but there were a load of heavies),and in busy season,with kids playing out of sight of adults i dread to think what was going on .
what the authorities did with the information i have no idea,but as far as i am concerned protection of kids begins and ends with the parents ,and the above information you provided would suggest if it gets to the stage the social services have to be involved it is already way too late. i could never live with myself if harm came to either of my kids and i neither prevented it,nor made sure my kids knew that whoever harmed them was physically unable to harm them,or anyone else again.
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