PEGIDA UK - Will you be marching with them?

[Lucas CAV]

Laughable/pitiful/inevitable...

Puggit said:

I think it's a pretty undeniable fact that the far left are louder, have caused far more problems, more damage and are far less tolerant than the far right.

[Disastrous]

Puggit said:

I think it's a pretty undeniable fact that the far left are louder, have caused far more problems, more damage and are far less tolerant than the far right.

[LimaDelta]

Lucas CAV said:

Laughable/pitiful/inevitable...

...But also true.

[Lucas CAV]

LimaDelta said:

Lucas CAV said:

Laughable/pitiful/inevitable...

...But also true.

Only on PH!

[LimaDelta]

Lucas CAV said:

Only on PH!

No, pretty much everywhere in my experience.

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eatcustard said:

The biggest touble makers will be the anti fascist, fascists

Fascists tend to hate lots of people which I find pretty abhorrent. Anti-fascists generally only hate fascists which I don't have a problem with quite honestly.

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Lucas CAV said:

Only on PH!
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....where a certain lunatic element consider the Tories to be "lefties" and UKIP to be centrist.

[Puggit]

I don't remember any far right marches ending up with desecrated war memorials, fire extinguishers being thrown from tower blocks or banks attacked.

I don't remember elected representatives being sent death threats for the way they vote or constantly harangued in public for having different views.

There's a few responses above offering no substance. So now you better try.

[Lucas CAV]

Puggit said:

I don't remember any far right marches ending up with desecrated war memorials, fire extinguishers being thrown from tower blocks or banks attacked.

I don't remember elected representatives being sent death threats for the way they vote or constantly harangued in public for having different views.

There's a few responses above offering no substance. So now you better try.

This place really does exist in a bubble... there are s from all parts of the political spectrum.

Don't be so naive -

http://www.shieldsgazette.com/news/crime/racist-th...
http://edlcriminals.com/category/racially-aggravat...
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news...
http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Man-broke-window...
http://edlnews.co.uk/2013/04/10/tommy-robinson-arr...
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate...
http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2015/08/24/far-...
http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2015/03/03/dudl...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshi...
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13207401.Vandal...

Edit to add another one for you Puggit
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/police-advise...

Edited by Lucas CAV on Sunday 6th December 22:44

[Guybrush]

Lucas CAV said:

Laughable/pitiful/inevitable...

Puggit said:

I think it's a pretty undeniable fact that the far left are louder, have caused far more problems, more damage and are far less tolerant than the far right.

Largely true if you look at history. Just a few socialists / communists to contemplate: the chap with the little moustache responsible for the second world war was a national socialist who wasn't all that tolerant - over 6 million dead. What about that Stalin fellow - over 10 million. Mao's record - 45 million. It's not looking good...

[Puggit]

Lucas CAV said:

This place really does exist in a bubble... there are s from all parts of the political spectrum.

Don't be so naive -

http://www.shieldsgazette.com/news/crime/racist-th...
http://edlcriminals.com/category/racially-aggravat...
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news...
http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Man-broke-window...
http://edlnews.co.uk/2013/04/10/tommy-robinson-arr...
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate...
http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2015/08/24/far-...
http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2015/03/03/dudl...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshi...
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13207401.Vandal...

Edit to add another one for you Puggit
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/police-advise...

Edited by Lucas CAV on Sunday 6th December 22:44

It's a pretty weak list of individual acts of damage and some police costs. There's only one mass brawl, which probably only happened because of the presence of the previously mentioned left-wing thugs. There's no doubt the far right carries a really nasty thread where they like a good fight. Nothing like the organised anarchy and violence that the far left brings to London on frequent occasions.

Good to see you recovered with a death threat edited in at the end, but I stand by my point. The far left are far nastier than the far right.

[scherzkeks]

rohrl said:

Isn't this just a new iteration of the EDL?

Well, in Germany they are a collection of neo-nazis, garden-variety racists, and a some middle class folks who've never left their villages and have been whipped into a frenzy by islamophobia. So if this sounds like the EDL, then you have your answer.

Oh and their leader dresses up like Hitler.

[rohrl]

scherzkeks said:

Oh and their leader dresses up like Hitler.

Yeah but because the Nazi Party included the word "socialist" in it's title Hitler is a left-wing figure according to the political scientists of PH. Just like the Democratic Republic of North Korea is a democracy.

[Countdown]

Looks like Mr Yaxley-Lennon is as principled as ever.....

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/12/03/tommy-r...

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rohrl said:

Yeah but because the Nazi Party included the word "socialist" in it's title Hitler is a left-wing figure according to the political scientists of PH. Just like the Democratic Republic of North Korea is a democracy.

This. Hitler joined the existing 'socialist' party he didn't name it himself. He then proceeded to corrupt and pervert it until it no longer cared for the nationalisation of industry or any of the other tenets of the left and instead promoted 'big capital'.

To quote

"Socialism" and "National socialism" were, and are, dramatically different ideas, that exist at or near the polar opposites of the political spectrum. National socialism emphasized the state, the race, and a cleansing of society of the "impure elements" that were blamed for societies' ills. Socialism emphasizes the group responsibility for the whole of society, and claims the solutions are in requiring basic minimums of education, health, social welfare, retirement, and old age programs be paid for by society as a whole.

[Lucas CAV]

Puggit said:

Lucas CAV said:

This place really does exist in a bubble... there are s from all parts of the political spectrum.

Don't be so naive -

http://www.shieldsgazette.com/news/crime/racist-th...
http://edlcriminals.com/category/racially-aggravat...
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news...
http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Man-broke-window...
http://edlnews.co.uk/2013/04/10/tommy-robinson-arr...
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate...
http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2015/08/24/far-...
http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2015/03/03/dudl...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshi...
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13207401.Vandal...

Edit to add another one for you Puggit
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/police-advise...

Edited by Lucas CAV on Sunday 6th December 22:44

It's a pretty weak list of individual acts of damage and some police costs. There's only one mass brawl, which probably only happened because of the presence of the previously mentioned left-wing thugs. There's no doubt the far right carries a really nasty thread where they like a good fight. Nothing like the organised anarchy and violence that the far left brings to London on frequent occasions.

Good to see you recovered with a death threat edited in at the end, but I stand by my point. The far left are far nastier than the far right.

As I have previously stated, there are dicks on both sides of the line here -- mouth breathing morons on the right and Charlie Gilmour'esque vandals on the left -



I still value people over property though, and that's why I think your original statement was daft

[gruffalo]

So who was the worst dictator then, Stallin with circa 49million deaths attributed to him, Mao, I think 54 Million or Hitler 17 Million.

Is it actually worth trying to work it out or is extreme left or right just wrong.

[BlackLabel]

They are marching in Birmingham tomorrow. I can't see what they hope to achieve however I do hope it all goes peacefully.

Solihull Pegida march: Police warn they will 'come down hard' on troublemakers

EDL founder Robinson brands anti-racists ‘cowards’ ahead of Pegida UK march

[BlackLabel]

So these are the people who are going to stop the “rising influence of radical Islam”. Looks like your typical EDL or BNP march but just under a different name.

Edited by BlackLabel on Saturday 6th February 19:27

[tangerine_sedge]

BlackLabel said:

It looks like the wednesday afternoon clientele from a particularly stty city centre pub.