British man beats German tourist to death.

[daytona365]

When is all this media led paranoia going to end, how many more guilty and indeed innocent victims of 'the mob' going to be beaten and like this case, even killed ?.......Perverts are not everywhere, maybe 1 in 10,000 are real threats to kids safety. Imo of course.

[otolith]

The newsworthy aspect is that someone attacked by a paedo-raging father actually turned out to be a suspected paedophile.

[Smiler.]

Did anyone catch Broken on BBC 2 on Saturday?

Similar scenario (from the violent reaction perspective).

As for this case - single punch - somewhat understandable but....

[Oakey]

daytona365 said:

When is all this media led paranoia going to end, how many more guilty and indeed innocent victims of 'the mob' going to be beaten and like this case, even killed ?.......Perverts are not everywhere, maybe 1 in 10,000 are real threats to kids safety. Imo of course.

Yeah that's what I thought until my son's Primary school teacher was jailed for trying to nonce 13yr old girls.

[wc98]

carinaman said:

You can't go around killing people for Public Order offences:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshir...


And anyway they probably have different laws in Spain.

if someone is doing something related to my kids i do not like,i can do whatever i want there may be consequences in the long run ,but that would not stop any father i know looking out for his kids best interests . in this instance i have no sympathy for the dead paedo,and believe neither will the spanish justice system.i would not be expecting the father to serve any jail time for this.

[grumbledoak]

It's a shame for the family that the pervert died. I hope the father gets a lenient sentence. He did the rest of us a favour that the courts won't do though, and they tend not to like that. So I suspect they'll make an example of the father instead.


To answer the specific question: I have a very long fuse, but I didn't see what the father saw. I would happily have the oubliette available for sex crimes against children.

[wc98]

daytona365 said:

When is all this media led paranoia going to end, how many more guilty and indeed innocent victims of 'the mob' going to be beaten and like this case, even killed ?.......Perverts are not everywhere, maybe 1 in 10,000 are real threats to kids safety. Imo of course.

paranoia you say, i think between rotherham, paedo mp,s and various other instances there is no paranoia involved. i am a generally law abiding citizen ,the generally ends when it comes to my kids. anyone harms them or shows any nasty intent toward them, i will react in whatever way i deem to be appropriate at the time . this serves two purposes ,one it lets the individual involved know that if they attempt anything with my kids they will suffer pain and possibly broken bones (if they actually laid hands on either of two daughters it would be death ) and two it lets my kids know that their father is indeed there to protect them.

now i know you may not like that attitude,personally i do not give a fk. it will not cause you or anyone else any issues as long as you have no bad intentions toward my children. as a father it is my responsibility ,and mine alone to protect my family, not the police, not the judiciary (definitely not them ,though they appear to prefer young boys) nor anyone else .

in this instance a father was incensed by a lone male filming his child ,the fact he was filming other things (in a restaurant ? wtf ) is not surprising, i would imagine most paedos would attempt to make their actions less noticeable .
no one would have an issue with most people filming most of the time , so imo ,something has been off to make the father challenge the bloke in the first case.

i do not know whether you have kids ,most people i know given a choice between their kids or a red button that would wipe out every single other person on the planet will take the red button every single time,so the odd dead paedo is of no consequence to most parents

[V8Ford]

Soov535 said:

because if I'd caught the dirty sod and had a few lagers on board I would most likely have given him a right hander.

Are you Ray Winstone?

What confuses me is that the headline speaks of the German being beaten to death, but further down the article it says a single punch killed him. I would imagine (and I can only imagine, not being a legal bod) that there is quite a difference between lashing out and accidentally killing someone, and beating them until they stop moving.

[Smiler.]

V8Ford said:

Soov535 said:

because if I'd caught the dirty sod and had a few lagers on board I would most likely have given him a right hander.

Are you Ray Winstone?

What confuses me is that the headline speaks of the German being beaten to death, but further down the article it says a single punch killed him. I would imagine (and I can only imagine, not being a legal bod) that there is quite a difference between lashing out and accidentally killing someone, and beating them until they stop moving.

Falls over, hits head on something sharp or sufficient trauma to head/spine etc.

There was a case last year of a yob who lumped an innocent bystander with just such an outcome.

[dave_s13]

TheForceV4 said:

Sorry for the Wail link.

I'm unable to put this into any kind of context given we don't know the value of the perps' [big] house.

[Thorodin]

Well it isn't murder. Possibly manslaughter, even maybe death by misadventure. As the deceased hadn't been charged with anything he wasn't guilty of anything prior to what happened (relating to the incident). A lot depends on the father's testimony and any statements by observers. The nationalities are irrelevant as the DM already knows full well. Probably will be found guilty of a non-capital offence and get a medium sentence. I wonder if the deceased kicked up a bit when his ipad got trashed and that provoked the father into a retaliation by getting his defence in early. The assumptions on here that it had to be lager-fuelled is somewhat previous. I wouldn't need any drink in me to use such methods if it were my daughters and he had refused to stop filming with mine in the frame. There can't be anyone on the planet that hasn't seen what's happening about child abuse, to deliberately put your self in that position must be considered a contributory factor.

[el romeral]

More info about what happened in this local ex pat newspaper:
http://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2015/02/09/...

[Rovinghawk]

wc98 said:

in this instance i have no sympathy for the dead paedo,and believe neither will the spanish justice system.i would not be expecting the father to serve any jail time for this.

Firstly it's 'suspected peado'. People have been found innocent .

Secondly, killing someone is a bit naughty, regardless of what might have happened first. If he's found guilty then whatever befalls him is of his own making.

[Asterix]

el romeral said:

More info about what happened in this local ex pat newspaper:
http://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2015/02/09/...

So, allegedly, he saw images of his daughter on the iPad and pornographic images of other children. Can't blame the guy at all.

I hope he is given leniency by the courts.

Or a medal.

[9mm]

As a kid you're far more at risk of being raped or abused by one of your parents than a teacher or random perv. Buy that doesn't sit too well with Daily Mail style outrage and sweet 2.4 children stereotypes. A cynic might say stories like this help to keep the focus away from the bigger problem of dads (mainly) abusing their kids.

Edited by 9mm on Tuesday 10th February 07:46

[wolves_wanderer]

el romeral said:

More info about what happened in this local ex pat newspaper:
http://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2015/02/09/...

Hang on. Stocky, well-built with a blonde bombshell wife? Likes to kill paedos. What's his user name on here?

[anonymous-user]

anonymous said:

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Why?

If someone with no kids were investigating it, do you think they would not do as good a job?

[carinaman]

On the information we have it would seem there is mitigating circumstances.

He asked the bloke to stop. He saw images of his daughter on the iPad. He may not have intended to kill the deceased with one punch.


This case reminds me of good mates being stopped by a bloke at a well known theme park and asked if he could take photos of their daughters. The stranger didn't want their son in the photo.


Perhaps some other cultures have different attitudes about taking photos of other people including kids?

Perhaps someone taking photos of everyone on their mobile device may indicate some developmental or diversity issue and not necessarily a paedophile or someone with paedophile tendencies?

[LaurasOtherHalf]

wc98 said:

if someone is doing something related to my kids i do not like,i can do whatever i want

[carinaman]

anonymous said:

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Indeed, I argued that point on the Ian Tomlinson G20 death thread.