British man beats German tourist to death.

[TTwiggy]

Liokault said:

By commenting "not the same as" the implication is that one is ok and one is not.

Really? So saying that murder is not the same thing as rape suggests that one is ok does it?

[menguin]

Liokault said:

By commenting "not the same as" the implication is that one is ok and one is not.

Yes, one is a hole, and one is a picture. A hole is indeed not the same as a picture. Why is it ok to take pictures of random kids for sexual gratification?

You are being incredibly obtuse. Either that, or you're an idiot.

[daytona365]

So no pictures of the girl in question then ?

[schmunk]

daytona365 said:

So no pictures of the girl in question then ?

http://bit.ly/1CV8ePd

[MC Bodge]

wc98 said:

quite possibly,i think those of a more sheltered upbringing come to see any form of physical reaction as a most terrible thing .this is a modern phenomena as humans have been punching each other and much worse since we were physically capable of swinging a punch.
if you were thumped as a kid for wrong doing, got into fights at school or took part in any number of full contact sporting activities you may feel that the odd smack in the teeth really is not much worse than a serious shouting match.

the world would indeed be a better place if people did not ever resort to physical reactions,sadly until we are all micro chipped different people will react differently in different situations.

Interestingly, I grew up in a northern industrial rugby league town, played it and Union in the pack (at county level) and didn't shy away from tackling/'physical play'. I used to enjoy a bit of wrestling/martial arts too, until injury stopped it.

I still don't believe in mob rule and vigilante punishment beatings.

[Liokault]

TTwiggy said:

Liokault said:

By commenting "not the same as" the implication is that one is ok and one is not.

Really? So saying that murder is not the same thing as rape suggests that one is ok does it?

The fact that you have previously posted that you believe one was ok kind of supports my interpretation your text.

TTwiggy said:

And even if he were (a peedo) (in which case I would want him to face trial), what actual harm is he doing taking pictures of a child in a public place? Is there a difference between a 'peedo' [sic] taking a photograph of a fully-clothed child and a 'non-peedo' taking exactly the same photo? Do you believe that 'peedos' have special cameras that undress the children?

Just really trying to clarify here what you actually think it’s ok or not ok for a peedo to do.

[andy_s]

wc98 said:

quite possibly,i think those of a more sheltered upbringing come to see any form of physical reaction as a most terrible thing .this is a modern phenomena...

...called 'civilisation'.

Do you think his actions were proportionate, you know, kicking and punching him into and beyond unconsciousness?

I don't, and I had far from a sheltered upbringing.

[TTwiggy]

Liokault said:

TTwiggy said:

Liokault said:

By commenting "not the same as" the implication is that one is ok and one is not.

Really? So saying that murder is not the same thing as rape suggests that one is ok does it?

The fact that you have previously posted that you believe one was ok kind of supports my interpretation your text.

TTwiggy said:

And even if he were (a peedo) (in which case I would want him to face trial), what actual harm is he doing taking pictures of a child in a public place? Is there a difference between a 'peedo' [sic] taking a photograph of a fully-clothed child and a 'non-peedo' taking exactly the same photo? Do you believe that 'peedos' have special cameras that undress the children?

Just really trying to clarify here what you actually think it’s ok or not ok for a peedo to do.

You're going to have to post up where I say it's 'ok' to take a photo of someone's kid in public, because I'm pretty sure that all I said was that a picture of a fully clothed child in a public place is just a picture of a fully clothed child in a public place (as opposed to your fascination with drilling holes in shower room walls )

But if we're on the hunt for 'what's ok to do', if we take the reports of this incident at face value, then on one hand we have someone in possession of indecent images of children and on the other a person guilty of murder. Which of those is 'ok' in your view?

Actually, you know what, I really don't care what you think. I've been reasonable with you but I'm increasingly of the opinion that somewhere there's a village minus its regular idiot.

[Liokault]

TTwiggy said:

But if we're on the hunt for 'what's ok to do', if we take the reports of this incident at face value, then on one hand we have someone in possession of indecent images of children and on the other a person guilty of murder. Which of those is 'ok' in your view?

Clearly neither is ok.

If you set out to collect a stimulating collection of pics other people’s kids, a punch in the face is a not unreasonable expectation.

Sadly (or possibly not) occasionally a person punched in the face dies.

[andy_s]

^ did you not read the 'sustained' attack part of the story?

[T0nup]

Good. One less peodo in the world is a good thing.

[TTwiggy]

T0nup said:

Good. One less peodo in the world is a good thing.

I'm of the opinion that you shouldn't be allowed to comment if you can't even spell the name of the object of your hatred.

[ofcorsa]

I also think people look ridiculous taking photos with iPads I'm glad people are taking a stand against it.

[wolves_wanderer]

T0nup said:

Good. One less peodo in the world is a good thing.

Gold

[PorkInsider]

MC Bodge said:

wc98 said:

quite possibly,i think those of a more sheltered upbringing come to see any form of physical reaction as a most terrible thing .this is a modern phenomena as humans have been punching each other and much worse since we were physically capable of swinging a punch.
if you were thumped as a kid for wrong doing, got into fights at school or took part in any number of full contact sporting activities you may feel that the odd smack in the teeth really is not much worse than a serious shouting match.

the world would indeed be a better place if people did not ever resort to physical reactions,sadly until we are all micro chipped different people will react differently in different situations.

Interestingly, I grew up in a northern industrial rugby league town, played it and Union in the pack (at county level) and didn't shy away from tackling/'physical play'. I used to enjoy a bit of wrestling/martial arts too, until injury stopped it.

I still don't believe in mob rule and vigilante punishment beatings.

Yep, similar for me.

Played Union at school then at club level, kickboxing in teens/twenties until too old/broken to continue (wasn't very good at that actually so was used to getting battered).

Not to mention the all-out inter-school pitched battles we delighted in, for some reason, as teenagers.

It wasn't a classy place I grew up in...

I still don't see any justification for mob rule and the random leathering of suspected wrongdoers some of PH's Internet hardmen and keyboard warriors would seemingly relish.

It's almost as if some of you are champing at the bit with thoughts of 'I'm a dad, so it's my manly duty to lose control of myself and batter anyone who looked at my child'...

[MC Bodge]

PorkInsider said:

I still don't see any justification for mob rule and the random leathering of suspected wrongdoers some of PH's Internet hardmen and keyboard warriors would seemingly relish.

It's almost as if some of you are champing at the bit with thoughts of 'I'm a dad, so it's my manly duty to lose control of myself and batter anyone who looked at my child'...

...whilst presumably thinking that they don't actually sound ridiculous and lacking in the rational thought department.

Much of it is probably internet posturing, but it is fascinating that some people are so quick to declare that the rule of law isn't real and that we should be behaving like cave men.

I am actually glad to be living in Western Europe in the 21st century, rather than a time or place that involves constant violent encounters and warring amongst mobs who decide to enforce their own "justice".

[9mm]

wc98 said:

9mm said:

I'm sure every father says that.

Unfortunately, whenever a child is abused, the most likely people to have abused them are in descending order:

dad
mum
mum and dad
a relative
teacher, carer, etc
friend of family
Jimmy Savile famous person like
random paedo in park

Anyone who supports the kind of vigilante action described in this thread is as mentally disturbed as an abuser. We're not talking about catching someone in the act of abusing their child. We're talking about nutjob thugs and a suspension of the normal rules of law if someone is deemed to display any paedo tendencies, starting with photographing clothed kids in a restaurant!

you are off your head. how does that sit with the 1600 abuse victims in rotherham ,not many relatives involved there .possibly a large part of the problem is the kids did not have families that actually cared about them in the first place.

1600 cases is a tiny fraction of the abuse cases reported every year. Have a look at how many calls Childline takes and then who the abuser is.

You will not find a Police Officer, Social Worker or other professional who disagrees with my assertions.

While we're at it, who do you think women are most at risk from? Guess what, male partners, who currently murder two women a week in this country. That too is vastly more than the number murdered by random strangers.

[andrewparker]

Funny how a single punch has turned to this:

'Suddenly he told his family to get out of the bar. Five seconds later, he hit Sandro so hard he fell to the floor. I think this knocked him out or at least dazed him.

'Then Devinder went crazy and started hitting Sandro. He must have hit him at least 20 times in the face and head.

Sandro had blood gurgling from his mouth. He was choking and struggling to breathe. He also had a big lump on the side of his head – no other visible cuts – just this big lump'

[Janluke]

andrewparker said:

Funny how a single punch has turned to this:

'Suddenly he told his family to get out of the bar. Five seconds later, he hit Sandro so hard he fell to the floor. I think this knocked him out or at least dazed him.

'Then Devinder went crazy and started hitting Sandro. He must have hit him at least 20 times in the face and head.

Sandro had blood gurgling from his mouth. He was choking and struggling to breathe. He also had a big lump on the side of his head – no other visible cuts – just this big lump'

Looks like there are lots of different versions going about. I guess we'll have to wait for the trial for the correct sequence of events

[Sharted]

andrewparker said:

Funny how a single punch has turned to this:

'Suddenly he told his family to get out of the bar. Five seconds later, he hit Sandro so hard he fell to the floor. I think this knocked him out or at least dazed him.

'Then Devinder went crazy and started hitting Sandro. He must have hit him at least 20 times in the face and head.

Sandro had blood gurgling from his mouth. He was choking and struggling to breathe. He also had a big lump on the side of his head – no other visible cuts – just this big lump'

.........and then it all went quiet.