British man beats German tourist to death.
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andy_s said:
...called 'civilisation'.
Do you think his actions were proportionate, you know, kicking and punching him into and beyond unconsciousness?
I don't, and I had far from a sheltered upbringing.
if he kicked and punched him,no i do not find that acceptable. if after seeing pictures of his daughter next to indecent pictures of other children on the laptop he gave him a smack i have no problem with that.Do you think his actions were proportionate, you know, kicking and punching him into and beyond unconsciousness?
I don't, and I had far from a sheltered upbringing.
MC Bodge said:
Interestingly, I grew up in a northern industrial rugby league town, played it and Union in the pack (at county level) and didn't shy away from tackling/'physical play'. I used to enjoy a bit of wrestling/martial arts too, until injury stopped it.
I still don't believe in mob rule and vigilante punishment beatings.
where was the mob, or the vigilante punishment beating in the original two links. ffs ,the original debate was about lashing out in anger after seeing pictures of his kid next to indecent images of other kids. nowhere on this thread do i see anyone advocating mobs with pitchforks hunting down ne,er do wells. the only people posting pictures of mobs with pictures are those that have either not read the entire thread ,or are a bit hard of thinking.I still don't believe in mob rule and vigilante punishment beatings.
PorkInsider said:
Yep, similar for me.
Played Union at school then at club level, kickboxing in teens/twenties until too old/broken to continue (wasn't very good at that actually so was used to getting battered).
Not to mention the all-out inter-school pitched battles we delighted in, for some reason, as teenagers.
It wasn't a classy place I grew up in...
I still don't see any justification for mob rule and the random leathering of suspected wrongdoers some of PH's Internet hardmen and keyboard warriors would seemingly relish.
It's almost as if some of you are champing at the bit with thoughts of 'I'm a dad, so it's my manly duty to lose control of myself and batter anyone who looked at my child'...
jesus fPlayed Union at school then at club level, kickboxing in teens/twenties until too old/broken to continue (wasn't very good at that actually so was used to getting battered).
Not to mention the all-out inter-school pitched battles we delighted in, for some reason, as teenagers.
It wasn't a classy place I grew up in...
I still don't see any justification for mob rule and the random leathering of suspected wrongdoers some of PH's Internet hardmen and keyboard warriors would seemingly relish.
It's almost as if some of you are champing at the bit with thoughts of 'I'm a dad, so it's my manly duty to lose control of myself and batter anyone who looked at my child'...
king wept,it is almost as if some people on here have word blindness and are unable to follow a thread.9mm said:
1600 cases is a tiny fraction of the abuse cases reported every year. Have a look at how many calls Childline takes and then who the abuser is.
You will not find a Police Officer, Social Worker or other professional who disagrees with my assertions.
While we're at it, who do you think women are most at risk from? Guess what, male partners, who currently murder two women a week in this country. That too is vastly more than the number murdered by random strangers.
never mind changing the subject, i could not care less what the opinions of police officers,social workers or other professionals involved in the rotherham case,in case you need it spelling out to you,they were a significant part of the problem . You will not find a Police Officer, Social Worker or other professional who disagrees with my assertions.
While we're at it, who do you think women are most at risk from? Guess what, male partners, who currently murder two women a week in this country. That too is vastly more than the number murdered by random strangers.
looking at the history of some child abuse in council run homes i would not trust male social workers as far as i could (gently) throw them.
Sharted said:
andrewparker said:
Funny how a single punch has turned to this:
'Suddenly he told his family to get out of the bar. Five seconds later, he hit Sandro so hard he fell to the floor. I think this knocked him out or at least dazed him.
'Then Devinder went crazy and started hitting Sandro. He must have hit him at least 20 times in the face and head.
Sandro had blood gurgling from his mouth. He was choking and struggling to breathe. He also had a big lump on the side of his head – no other visible cuts – just this big lump'
.........and then it all went quiet.'Suddenly he told his family to get out of the bar. Five seconds later, he hit Sandro so hard he fell to the floor. I think this knocked him out or at least dazed him.
'Then Devinder went crazy and started hitting Sandro. He must have hit him at least 20 times in the face and head.
Sandro had blood gurgling from his mouth. He was choking and struggling to breathe. He also had a big lump on the side of his head – no other visible cuts – just this big lump'
PorkInsider said:
The way you're ranting on, you sound like you might be a little short of fuse yourself to be quite honest wc98.
Calm down a bit man...
Calm down a bit man...
i have already admitted to that,it is only in a ranty way though,not a punchy way . having experienced a situation with a weirdo chasing after one of my daughters and making a filth gesture a few inches in front of her face i understand the emotions that can provoke a reaction i had no time to have any control over .the sole point i was trying (and failing miserably) to make was that lashing out was a normal reaction in that situation for some people. i completely accept others may react differently ,and do not advocate anyone lashing out as once the fists start flying the outcome could go either way ,regardless how much rugby and martial arts a person has taken part in
PorkInsider said:
The way you're ranting on, you sound like you might be a little short of fuse yourself to be quite honest wc98.
Calm down a bit man...
To be fair, while I havent agreed with lots of his points IMO WC98 has argued his points clearly and firmly without ranting or throwing insults around in the usual PH manner :-) Calm down a bit man...
wc98 said:
never mind changing the subject, i could not care less what the opinions of police officers,social workers or other professionals involved in the rotherham case,in case you need it spelling out to you,they were a significant part of the problem .
looking at the history of some child abuse in council run homes i would not trust male social workers as far as i could (gently) throw them.
https://ukgovernmentwatch.files.wordpress.com/2015...looking at the history of some child abuse in council run homes i would not trust male social workers as far as i could (gently) throw them.
Record closed until 01 January 2045.
I'm sure there's a legitimate reason for that and it's all above board.
The Notts. PCC was formerly in social work as was PCC Shaun Wright at Rotherham.
And CMD is going on about Putin? Is he Mr Learjet like Bliar? CMD needs to get his own house in order.
wc98 said:
9mm said:
1600 cases is a tiny fraction of the abuse cases reported every year. Have a look at how many calls Childline takes and then who the abuser is.
You will not find a Police Officer, Social Worker or other professional who disagrees with my assertions.
While we're at it, who do you think women are most at risk from? Guess what, male partners, who currently murder two women a week in this country. That too is vastly more than the number murdered by random strangers.
never mind changing the subject, i could not care less what the opinions of police officers,social workers or other professionals involved in the rotherham case,in case you need it spelling out to you,they were a significant part of the problem . You will not find a Police Officer, Social Worker or other professional who disagrees with my assertions.
While we're at it, who do you think women are most at risk from? Guess what, male partners, who currently murder two women a week in this country. That too is vastly more than the number murdered by random strangers.
looking at the history of some child abuse in council run homes i would not trust male social workers as far as i could (gently) throw them.
No argument from me that Police and some social workers were a major part of the problem in Rotherham and I fully accept that the vast bulk, if not all of the abuse in the 1600 cases was not carried out by relatives.
What I'm saying is that those 1600 cases are only a tiny fraction of all the abuse cases and do not affect in the slightest my assertion that child abuse is mainly carried out by dads and then other relatives.
If you don't believe the Police or Social Workers, check with Childline and the Home Office, unless you think they can't be trusted either.
I detest child abusers as much as anyone but I despise vigilantes and cannot abide the self righteousness spouted by representatives of the biggest group of abusers on the planet - parents.
9mm said:
I detest child abusers as much as anyone but I despise vigilantes ...
And yet it is ok for you to attack people who squirt water guns at your car? Throwing piss at them while armed with a claw hammer! You're delusional.If as now appears to be the case that the father didn't fell the nonce with a single blow, but a sustained attack, then he should rightly face charges.
You, however, are in no position to condemn vigilantes': You are one yourself.
Oakey said:
Is that true? Someone squirted his car with a water gun and he threw piss at them whilst armed with a claw hammer?
That makes me look positively normal!
That makes me look positively normal!
9mm said:
Reminds me of Le Mans a few years back. Was returning to the campsite from the hospital with a friend stretched across the back seat with a broken leg (long story). I was in quite a nice E39 M5. Anyway, a couple of knobbers in fluorescent tabards were stopping people on the way in. I stupidly lowered the window only to get the inside of the car, me and everyone else heavily supersoaked with God knows what. I walked back 10 minutes later with half a pint of warm piss in one hand and a claw hammer in the other and gave the sprayer the option of a soaking or a malleting. He was a typical scrawny bag of scouse ste, just the type who infest Le Mans now and he decided to take the warm piss.
Cool story bad ass etc and true.
te, just the type who infest Le Mans now and he decided to take the warm piss. Cool story bad ass etc and true.
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